We have a thread about police here already but it heads in other directions.
Given headlines about corrupt police in NSW I thought we could ask the question can we trust our police?
My view is a good copper is worth far more than the community can pay him/her but how do we tell them apart?
In the 1960,s a pillar of my town was given a ticket for speeding, his car had been parked for 2 hours while he watched illegal car drags, many got booked just like that tickets that lied parked cars speeding insulted and told now stay away.
He trusts no policeman still.
About that era a RAAF pilot dressed in civvies with his bride to be was stopped in his rather hot car, Sunday night on his way home from church planning the wedding! he was abused and asked who is the slut you have with you?
He trusts or likes no police still.
I have with my own eyes seen rolled over trucks stripped of valuables by serving police, stolen loads not salvaged and not just a few but every one in a station can we trust police?
If todays serving police understood the kid they harm today grows into an adult, that todays actions will be remembered maybe we could trust every police officer but not yet.

When I started the thread I was aware of the Royal commissions into state police forces.
Underbelly got in late NSW police had been implicated in armed holdups in Victoria and my state has more underbelly's than you can count.
Queensland has its day in the spotlight one Minister for police even telling a Constable to select his new station in outback QLD if he wrote him a ticket.
Yet I had hopes we may see the little daily actions of some police that makes Aussies not trust them.
In my view we do not know who to trust but a Good cop is gold.
We can take part of the blame for police behavior we know one hamburger heaven [if you like them] has a separate cash register so police pay not much for food.
In any group you will find people crawling to police but on walking away cursing them.
A thousand story's exist and I could fill pages but this happened one day.
A car rolled in front of my work truck, head and legs came out of every door a police car skidded to a stop and three young men gave up.
One ran, the car was stolen, no more than 16 years old a mild Christian worker stated speaking to a bush and a very frightened kid came out arms in the air.
A senior constable grabbed him and flogged him in front of 4 workers.
My complaints saw me transported in the back of a van to be lectured about cooperation with the police, so long ago it does not matter but how often does it happen?
Would it have been ok if it was my car? no not for me.

I'm struggling with a point here Belly. Yep, many police, like any other human being, are human. There's 'corruption' and there's CORRUPTION. Giving your mate a ticket while he was watching illegal activity (which is tantamount to taking part) and possibly over-exaggerating the circumstances which really only resulted in a fine is one way of discouraging your mate from participating again. Did he watch drags again?. He's an idiot if he did. If it resulted in a conviction then he would have something to whinge about. But a fine?, take it on the chin and move on. A little too proud me thinks.

If all you've got is this opinion Belly, then you're out of touch with reality. I deal with the police everyday and witness them being fair, just and compassionate 99% of the time. Even when they could've come down hard they mostly take least intrusive tact. Occasionally they'll appear to be harsh, and occasionally they appear to be unjust. Some people need to be lined up for a lesson in truth, like your grudge holding mate

St G not a whisper of over statement in my story my mate?
40 years as an in demand entertainer, often working for free if asked by any charity.
As I said a pillar of our community much loved by the police too.
Are you a tow truck driver? many are very close to police , its the money you know.
Remember my words we could never pay enough to a good cop.
But ignore the discount suit[uniform] the over reaction, the out right theft at all our peril.
Some cops are out of line some leave the job rich some should be ashamed of their actions.
I have stood at the site of a tragic road trauma event and watched good cops hold us all together.
But I have seen one charge out into traffic screaming stop that scumbag.
Do you know why?
The scumbag? was using a mobile phone while crawling past that scene!
Yes they are human but we ask for more from them, smacking a kid around is a low act No matter who does it.

hi to all the forgotten australians

victims of rapes and abuses in institutional care in orphanages girls homes boys homes state ward homes foster care remand centres state run church homes church homes out of home care state run institutions through out new south wales and australia we are real victims the goverment still continue to cover up with all the hidden records of the abuses we suffered either the records are hidden or destroyed take your choice its real

as i stated in many post their are many people out their in high ranking jobs whether it the police politicians school teachers church ministers and so on these pedophiles are out in our community and they are getting away with their crimes and are being protected by various persons of who we don;t know who they are

yes their are the real true cops out their who want the right justice and i feel they are being guided away from the real truth at times because even if they hear hear say and metion it not all is looked into

back in the sixties and early seventies police some of them were in actual fact ex crims because they knew of how the criminal mind worked

their has been that many corrupt cops in all states and yes here in new south wales their were many in the seventies and eighties and now again in 2008 even parliment members are in coruption take woolongong council

the fedral police are even corupt it proved it with charging its top cop during the weeks gone bye parliment member milton acopolious gaoled for pedophillia just last month

so why are the police and the state goverment of new south wales still covering up the rapes and abuses that we victims suffered in these state run institutions in the state of new south wales

they say the perpertrators can not remember or they have memory loss

well we victims don't forget what we suffered and we never will forget

we are the forgotten australians and will no longer be forgotten

regards huffnpuff

Belly said: "St G not a whisper of over statement in my story my mate?"

I meant the cop exaggerated his story.

Belly also said: "Are you a tow truck driver? many are very close to police , its the money you know."

No, I'm not a tow truck driver. I work in the security industry. I don't know what you mean by "it's the money".

Belly said in his first comment: "...his car had been parked for 2 hours while he watched illegal car drags..."

He got the ticket to teach him a lesson. Bad luck, tough bickies. People watching illegal and dangerous activity encourages the participants.

Just because individuals have a position of standing and trust (cops, judges, teachers, priests, ministers yadda yadda) that doesn't make the person themselves infallible. What those police supposedly stand for is what we put our trust in, not the person. What other choice do we have?. That's why vigilantes find themselves in a cell next to the perpetraitors. You're naive if you think a job title 'makes the person'.

huffnpuff. Victim or survivor?.

hi to all the forgotten australians

STG i guess you are not aware of the forgotten australians
you should type it in on your machine and read the senate reports
answer to your question

1) i am a real victim ,of daruk boys home windsor new south wales 1977/1978,

2) i am a real survivour , of the rapes and abuse that occurred in that state run institution
the same institution that the state of new south wales is covering up
and still continue to cover up just ask the state leader and the minister for d.o.c.s. of new south wales and see if they give you an honest answer

the answer is im a real victim and real survivor
of institutional abuse in the state of new south wales state run institutions

and yes i am real and what i have stated in the courts is real as well as that of the senate inquiries are real as well ,

go into it a bit further their were even judges on the take and that were pedophiles ,

now you can see why it is hard for us victims to get justice ,, corrupt police, corrupt judges , corrupt politicians, corupt lawyers , some one is corrupt in all jobs ,

so you answer me this SGT why are they corrupt , because they can get away with it in the high ranking job they are in ,and its a known fact ,

so much for trust and honesty among those who have the powers on their side ,

why we victims try to get justice the goverment still covers them up

from a real victim and a real survivor of sexual and physical abuse in state run institutions of new south wales

STG , i don't have to hide and never have and i speak the truth of what we suffered in these state run institutions

kind regards huffnpuf

I still don't know the point of this thread. People commit crimes. Persons in positions of trust can abuse that trust. Abuse of power is as old as the hills. Social standing (or lack thereof) and socio-economics quite obviously has sod-all to do with crime. Maybe the difference is generally the type of crime. Priests who rape boys only got in that position because of not having been caught before being accepted into priesthood. Same as cops, judges, teachers, welders, gardeners, bankers etc etc etc.

huffnpuff said: "so you answer me this SGT why are they corrupt , because they can get away with it in the high ranking job they are in ,and its a known fact".

The prisons are full of people who got away with it....for awhile. I'm a fraction concerned that you seem to think I advocate, or make excuses for the people who hurt you. Ain't the case. What happened is horrific and I hope you get the justice you deserve. Corruption happens all the time. People 'scratch' others backs for the sake of saving their own or as a favour for varying reasons. The real question is: 'Why do people commit crime?'.

hi to all the forgotten australians

StG '' their are many answers why people commit crime ,

whether it be minor or major

maybe they think they will get away with it

watched some one else do a crime

peer pressure

to gain from what crime they did depending on the crime in question

i hope that might help StG

As for the Prisons well their are no doubt some innocent one's that are doing time for crimes that others have done ,

i know of some who have been loaded up with crimes that police couldn't solve ,such as break ins and stealing , only because that person were know for those types of crimes

and so on

you are right in Saying curruption happens all the time but its more rife know than it has been for awhile nearly everyday some thing new hits the headlines

we know their is crime out their some worse than the others

why would i think you StG say ""im a fraction concerned that you seem to think i avocate ,or make excuses for the people who hurt you.Ain't the case . i thank you though for your reply in your post as do many of us forgotten australians

what made you think that as i never sugestted that in my post ,

you say you are in security work that could be anything in security as their are various security jobs, least you are on the side of the law though you don't have to be in security to do that ,

i can only hope that the state goverment re-address the senate reports that were handed down in august 2004 the forgotten australians and the second report march 2005 protecting vulnerable children in institutional care and out of home care

we are the forgotten australians and will no longer be forgotten

kind regards huffnpuff

Dear Belly,

I guess our experiences influence the way we react to people, and once a trust is lost it becomes difficult to trust again. Sometimes for a while, sometimes forever. On the whole I think that we would prefer to trust rather than not. Most of us believe that people are decent on the whole...We want to trust and respect our police force.

Yet, we read horror stories about bad police officers, politicians, doctors, lawyers, teachers, et cetera. Corruption exists in any large and powerful organisation - especially when there's a lot at stake - and corruption - is part and parcel of the job. Policing is a tough job - and not every recruit
is a success story. Many have been broken by the system as we know.

However, what's the alternative? We need a police force - all we can do is put pressure on our elected officials to clean up the mess that currently exists - especially in N.S.W.

Police corruption. Political corruption. I even know someone who filed a corruption complaint against a TAFE teacher. Humans can be very unpleasant can't they.

One solution for corrupt police might be to stop maligning them at every opportunity in the press and on talk back radio. Perhaps then more people may be willing to join an organisation that is perceived to possess some integrity.

Police found guilty of corruption do not need to be sensationalised in the media. Report the story one day that's it. Similar to what the left wing press does with other stories that don't fit their agenda. Quite interesting the one paragraph stories found in the middle of some obscure insert in the weekend papers. Heard any about the successes in Iraq for instance?

The police force are having difficulty recruiting and keeping staff. This is a fact that can not be conducive to retaining the type of person the general population want.

The populace seem to want teachers that possess the major character traits of a Wesley Missionary. I think they want some mythical individual to be a copper as well.

Police corruption exists because humans can be corrupted. Many argue society is corrupt, what is the surprise.

I think one repeated line in my posts is being over looked a good cop is pure gold.
My life has put me in daily contact with both types of cop 14 years of playing first grade sport shoulder to shoulder 22 years of watching and helping them pick up the road trauma mess.
I know beyond doubt most police on entering the force do so for the reasons we want them to.
I also know without one step back most of our posters would not believe unless they saw it themselves the brutal way some of our young are handled.
And sorry but we are not known as a country with institutionalized corruption but we have far more of it than you want to know of.
After years of sport work and play with police it still hurts to hear one tell of a drug dealing cop being arrested for handling stolen property.
With respect St G security is a job that calls for close ties to police that closeness often leads to blindness too.

Belly

I wasn't going to post here, but I too have had ten years working with police as part of my work in public housing. This meant involvement with evictions, drug and weapons searches and welfare checks. I think in all that time I only met one cop who I would describe as NQR and he was more in the line of a maverick, rather than corrupt, just took his job very seriously indeed - if you got on his bad side and you're a crim...

That was one only. I don't believe I developed any 'blindness' as you suggested St G did and I am sure StG kept his perspective as well.

A bad experience is what can colour our entire perspective. So perhaps you need to consider that.

For me, I will continue to trust.

"With respect St G security is a job that calls for close ties to police that closeness often leads to blindness too."

Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 5:49:58 AM

Rubbish. I'm naturally suspicious of people. The police can hang me just as well as the next person. I have less personal legal rights in my job as compared to you as a citizen. I'm totally aware of this and play my cards on the straight and narrow. You're totally wrong on that assumption.

Corruption starts at the top and works its way down-
If we are lucky.
Thats is a fact of life. You must be very naive to think anything else.
Blimey it would be like living in disney land. Ever heard of shaving an enquiry belly?

Ok I will give you a quick example. AWB Enquiry- Kevin Rudd the shadow Minister for foreign affairs and trade.

Now Kevins job was the report to the public on AWB at the time= Get it?

So what did Kevin Rudd do when given evidence of AWB being not only involved in wheat?
What did Rudd do when sent docs showing AWB were paying money to SH via the cruel live export industry?

He headed for the hills despite being only the week prior to 60 minutes doing their story on the barbaric trade KNOWING there was huge public interest!

Now you may ask is that corruption? Hell No. It just stinks to air heavens.
So if you follow these er coeds of practise handed from poly to police- who knows you may even just get it.
Apart from that of course the system is TOTALLY corrupt for goodness sake.
Kindergarten and alice in wonderland finished years ago.

Belly because I believe in the “system”, with all its shortcomings, I have to continue to presume it works. The alternative is anarchy and that is a non-solution.

I accept individuals will be corrupt. We are both old enough to understand the weakness of some who still manage to ingratiate their way into positions of trust, only to betray that trust.

A system of checks and balances must exist, separate to the line of command, to oversee the fair and even deployment of authority entrusted to individuals.

That is the part of the system I trust, above direct influence, there to oversee, like an independent regulator.

When that part of the system breaks down we have the

“Apart from that of course the system is TOTALLY corrupt for goodness sake.”

Which PALEIF comments about.

Ultimately, to retain ones sanity, we have to work on the assumption that people are inherently good but the odd bad one does get through and the system is sufficiently stable to identify the bad before the havoc they wreak destroys the host.

I recall we have had police commissioners end up in gaol. The system worked because it identified and punished them.

Cj

If you are refering to Terry Lewis which of course you are it shows you are totally ignorant.
Shaved enquires happen ALL the time and Lewis was a prime example.

Lewis was NOT stitched up on the word of ONE self confesed corrupt cop and a born lier.
Thats another thing about this system. People simply read the paper and take it for the truth.
Every single person who tried to speak up to defend lewis was dealt with in one way or the other.
Not one other officer or person said one thing about Terry in a very long trial.
Ask yourself why he was convicted on the word of one crook Jack Herbert who was the scum of the earth.
Your just as naive as belly. Oh and please who can for Joes trial.
pity Joes old buddy Russ dies .
What a joke.
He was guilty as sin.

Hi BELLY & STG...

I did a bit over twenty eight years in the job, and I've now retired.

Coppers are the same as any other vocational coterie. That are empowered, or have vested in them, a power to do a certain thing or things.

Building inspectors, politicians, councillors, by-laws inspector, in fact the list can go on and on, ad nauseam.

Corrupt behaviour can be found in many institutions, no matter what stratum or echelon within the working community, you seek to examine.

Even some of our trusted Medical Doctors (with whom we entrust with our lives) have been prosecuted for ripping off Medicare, to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, in some cases. Some of our learned legal profession have been found to subtantially overcharge both with their legal fees and disbursements.

I reckon why the coppers seem to come in for more flak then perhaps they deserve is - they generally discharge their duty in the full view, presence, and hearing of the public. Most of us (even coppers) have been breached for a traffic offence at some time or other. Naturally, this can lead to a degree of antipathy toward the copper who had the temerity to actually allege that you were speeding? Heaven forbid, I/we NEVER speed, the copper got it quite wrong.

Dealing with violent individuals (whether drunk of sober), in public is ALWAYS hard. If you use insufficient force, you generally end up getting a flogging.

Conversely, if you use too much force, in order to effect an arrest of a violently resistive offender, then the perception is that you're assaulting him. It's a lose lose situation, sometimes.

Also remember, talking of trust, a copper is the FIRST person you want to see when your in serious trouble, but the LAST person you'd like to have a drink with.

Anyway, that's my two pennys worth. I really must confess though, I'm jolly glad that I'm now retired.

We have a problem with our soft wear and I dont always check- So apoligies.
What I said was Lewis was stictched up.
Jack Regional Herbett was the only person to accuse Lewis.
Now considering Jacks past you would have to wonder who prepaired the brief and better still put it to trial.'
If you think the Fitzgerald enquiry wasnt shaved your as silly as Belly. Your talking to somebody who helped to try to keep witness out of harms reach.
Oh btw they would be the witnesses that werre told their information was NOT wanted!
Anybody who tried to defend Lewis was well and truely taken care of.
Do try to comment on something you know about -please.

The Lewis trial was one of the most discusting things I have ever witnessed.
But theres plenty more I can assure you.
A well oiled system designed to protect a very curropt system and the good old polys of course.

Having read that self centered comment please try to comment about things you know about.
Chewed it over convinced my self its not worth replying to then remembering glass houses and stone throwers.
Laughing for some time, near rolling on the floor in fact I think it best to leave the thread but with these comments.
Lewis was not stitched up he defamed every good honest cop.
And we do expect better from our police mostly we get it but do not forget my words a good cop is worth more than any community can pay them.
Every day story's often headline ones tell of bad cops and more tales are never told.
these words came from a NSW independent commission against corruption senior police inspector.
Quote remember young cops are frightened to speak out if we get this statement many will come forward its the older blokes we want to change so the young stay in line end quote.

Belly
Self serving my left foot. You have walked into the area I am most familar with.
As for Twerry being guilty all you have shown me is you can read a paper because I know all the players involved in that enquiry.
So there for I know on authority you have zero to do with that industry.
Those are the simply facts.
If I can find time I will post what happend to each and every person who was with the friends of Terry Group. Oh and other witness. Mind you they were not witnesses against Terry.
They were making large noises about a particular person within the enquiry staff.
Mind you some of those blokes are not around anymore to support my statement.
You figure out why. goodluck with living in your world of rose glasses.
I have the UPMOST respect for straight coppers like Mic Dury and a dozen others who paid the price for refusing to be brought in on the culture. BUT the culture still exsists. You just have to learn to keep your head down and stay away.

There are no honest cops. They are corrupt from the top downwards. I know because I was bashed by coppers all night in Flemington police station. I was only 18 years old and completely innocent of the charges. It was later thrown out of court. The whole police station knew what was happening. I called for help to several people passing the room where I was handcuffed to a concreted down desk in a small room out back. One woman laughed. I was glad to get out of there before the morning crew arrived and gave me further bashings. I've heard that Moonee Ponds is just as bad.

Later they came to my place of accomodation and told residents they were going to kill me. I went to Legal Aid to ask for help. I was advised to run and hide. He told me that a lot of people go into Flemington Station and never come out. I'm 37 now and still remember the horror of it.

In NSW I did a Traffic Controllers course. The instructor was an ex-cop and told the whole class how he and others arrested some teenagers and were told to let them go and forget the whole thing because they were related to a politician. He refused and was sacked. The police in Australia are thugs.

Hi there RUDDKILL...

Wow, your language and assertions that all cops are thugs, are pretty strong my friend.

I do understand that you've alleged that you'd experienced an abhorrent and distasteful episode at the hands of police, whilst in custody at the Flemington Station.

I don't pretend to know any of the circumstances of this alleged assault, other than to say, that if the event/s unfolded as you've described herein, then you have certainly been substantially wronged.

Further, you stated that you were relatively young at the time. Did you lodge an official complaint? Either contemporaneously, or soon after it happened?

I won't engage in any further commentary or speculation on this unfortunate affair. Other than to reassure you, that those officers who allegedly engaged in conduct of a kind that appears prima facie, to be unlawful - are very much the exception, and definitely NOT the rule.

Personally, I'm sorry for your experience, RUDDKILL. Basically, this type of behaviour (as alleged) reflects unfavourably on ALL coppers, both serving and retired.

o sung wu I need to come back to the thread to answer your post.
First your words are true in you an ex cop I think we can trust.
Ruddkill speaks in a way that concerns me too, yet his her story could be true, down deep unless you served in a country town you too must know that.
It also could be a lie every crim in the world charges police falsely.
We however live in the real world police do bash criminals , and sometimes Innocent people, gee surely you know that?
Right now nightly news in full of Victoria's police force story's gut turning story's of police covering up for another under investigation for murder.
It is true good police suffer from actions of bad but hiding our head in the sands will change nothing.
Ruddkills story has the smell of truth about it, he/she may have committed a crime but it is likely so too did his bashers and those who thought it funny.

o sung wu,
Good morning O Sung Wu.
Where did you say you were a cop. Was it here in Australia?

I agree there are some good cops but I have never heard of one so naive that they didnt know what does goes on with other partners.- ever
The only time thats ever happend basically and rarely ASIK a bloke is singled out as a dog as its termed and mostly given station work.

That means he cant be trusted not to dob a mate or give a partner up. Most times they stitch that persopn with something minnor right in the early stages -or make life so miserable they leave of their own accord.

Its low mentalty but the force is like most groups that work in numbers.
Now I am not saying as I said at the top there are not some good straight coppers about.
I am just curious as to where you served your time as a police officer.'
Did You know Rodger Rogerson or Mic Dury for example?
What about Rodger Delavera

G'day BELLY & P.A.L.E.I.F....

In was with NSWPOL, a bit over twenty eight years. Accordingly, you can both be absolutely assured that I'm neither naive nor a wilting violet, apropos understanding police culture or behaviour, both good and bad.

It's NEVER been denied that on occasions some coppers have behaved quite badly, and in fact criminally, as evidenced by various media and judicial attention.

I do know of Roger and Mick, though not personally. Interestingly, Roger enjoyed a colossal reputation both in terms of bravery and clear-up rate of some extremely difficult files. Apparently, he hit a hurdle, and the rest is history, as they say.

The business of community policing does involve violence unfortunately. Often perpetuated as a result of police attempting to place an offender into custody. Particularly, in matters of Domestic Violence (probably one of the most difficult areas of policing, in my opinion).

I often think what the critics and fault-finders of the policing industry would do ? If they had to deal with the many many incidences and frequencies of extreme violence that police members often have to face, daily ? Very easy to cast aspersions on police conduct, from the comfort of an armchair. Quite a different matter when YOU are the 'Johnny on the spot', believe me !

I'll say it again...the large majority of police members discharge their duty in a lawful and conscientious manner, and sometimes STILL criticized for their efforts! It's got me 'buggered' I must say ?

O sung wu

Your account fits in with my more limited experience. There will always be a minority who are corruptible, no matter what constraints are in place - and that can be said about any organisation.

However, police are in contact with people who would make our "armchair critics" pee themselves if they ever left the comfort of their homes and encountered these people. The image of policing is so over romantised, that when we hear of real police behaving with normal human reactions we start finger pointing. That there isn't more corruption is amazing - the temptations are huge.

Most of my work with police has been positive and I haven't hesitated to trust when I have had need myself.

Never ever peed my self in fear in my life and believe me I too know the types our cops have to handle.
But lets be fair dinkum, we know about the crooked cops all of us do.
Two days ago along with a couple of ham radio operators I delivered and installed a second hand PC for a bloke who needs it.
We looked at this thread just showing him what he could do.
A bit shy yet but maybe we will hear from him one day.
He drank a lot too much in his yesterdays, not now but told of being bashed and have police demand taxi fare, his wallet from him.
The thing is its only some but it is true.
A cop if he is your mate, and I have a few who are will tell you about the not so good.
The best thing you can ever do for a mate in the job is never ask a favor just because he is a cop, never use a mate just be happy to be a mate.
I think Rodger caught a lot of criminals half of what they say about him would be lies we all know that but if only half of it is true I rest my case some copers are corrupt.

Good evening to you FRACTELLE...

Your summation is both quite realistic and well balanced. You're absolutely correct to assert that bad behaviour, corrupt and illegal
conduct, permeates and pervades (often unchecked) throughout ALL industries, organisations, and institutions since time in memorial.

Hi BELLY...

I agree with some of your statements. I suppose, just about any individual can cite an incident where unsavoury conduct by a police member or members has allegedly occurred. Some of those matters alluded to, are absolute myth, in fact scurrilous rubbish...however
regrettably, some are absolute fact !

The telling and re-telling of an exciting tale involving the coppers getting/or giving some bloke a bit of 'biff' livens up a dull evening, particularly if there's a bit of 'piss' on board ! Often the real truth is lost in the mists of inebriation ?!

As I've said...I'm buggered if I know !

A great defensive stance that word alleged!
Yep every group has its rubbish my old job saw some real darlings who would have sold their mum for a quid.
And we all know it happens, in fact we openly speak about it , but its alleged if its about a cop.
Why? well most of us put a cop on a pedestal, just watch those who flock around one.
Oh yes Saturday night in drunken company a chance to act like a fool big note and its not pleasant but one on one?
ICIC in my state have seen police removed from the job many times some I knew.
Some for simple acts like returning to a car and stealing a purse hidden there by internal investigators.
I must not mention some cases they looked at but still we want better from our police mostly get it.
I just want to allege the status we give those in that uniform is sometimes miss used.

o sung wu,
Good Morning to you. Well I hope you are enjoyiong your retirment and yes its a tough job. I am not sure which Rodger you are refering to to- Rodger the Dodger as we called him or Rodger Rogerson.
Either way it doesnt really matter I suppose. nobody knows more than me that there are some honest coppers but your never going to get me to agree they are at the top of the tree. Would be nice mind you.
People simply have to remember that police are under the polys and if anybody wants to try to convince me poloys are straight i will eat my hat.
Anyway guys enjoy the thread and btw when are the public going to support the copper on the beat trying to deal with these out of hand youth and their parents.
I am sick to death of all the cival rights and do gooders protecting theives and junkies that the bloke on the beat risks his life each day to put away.
Then everyone complains crime is out of control. Sure it is because they parents dont teach the kids to respect the police laws or other people.
Mate you would have to be bent most days to be a copper because the hgood straight blokes dont get a fair go.
We should go back to the old days where the old cop would kick the kids up the bum and send them home. Now of course they would be charged.
o sung wu, thanks for the service mate and enjoy your well earned rest.

G'day to you - PALE&IF...

I appreciate your kind sentiments with respect to enjoying my retirement. Yeah, must admit the job can take out a lot of your energy if you allow it.

The 'oft' used term of vocational stress, is probably correct. However, I don't believe it relates to one's association and exposure to the ne'er do wells of society, rather from the unrealistic demands placed on you from your superiors ! Together, with peer betrayal, nepotism, bias, partiality and good old fashion 'back stabbing'. All can lead to emotional and physical illness.

A bloke (senior to me) who partnered-up with me on enquiries, grabbed the car for the purpose of 'doing a few checks' (a foreigner). Incidentially, detectives NEVER go 'one out' on enquiries. Anyway, he failed to return, and to cut a long story short, pulled up in a park (in daylight) and stuck his S&W Mod.36 in his mouth, and pulled the trigger !

Another bloke I know, received a 'direction' (from IID)to answer an allegation that a women had made, apropos his alleged language and conduct while he handed her a TIN or PIL (Traffic Infringement Notice)for a traffic offence. So worried was he, at the end of his shift, he went home and sucked on the end of his gun too ! The allegation proved to be of a fairly minor nature, but the 'maggots' in IID had to make themselves big men...and the rest is history, as they say !

In my opinion, the crooks are the least of your trouble in the job.

Thanks again for your kind sentiments.

o sung wo you bought the past back in your last post gee did you.
22 years with another state government department I stood by the roadside at many fatal road trauma events with police.
We swapped the same story's as we tried to forget the dreadful events.
It was no different for me my job had as many crooks and uncles and fathers infested the job with useless family members.
Even football players got and still get contracts they can not handle because they have the right mates.
nothing really matters any more is the standard graffiti and chant.
those 22 years saw dead police too and worse others who never had a job after , road workers too left work forever too many bad dreams too many 2am phone calls too much needless blood.
I had forgot in this thread of the impacts of being a cop, and had refrained from talking about a very senior cop who talked to his on scene men and us like filth but loaded his car with stolen goods from any rolled over truck.
a good cops gold just sometimes a good cop under pressure acts in a way that forever blackens the mind of his/her victim.
But some are not good cops.

o sung wu

Maggots are right and don’t you forget it. Under the circumstances it was big of you to respond to my comments.
We lost a few the same way but weren’t even sure if `they really pulled the trigger.
Five of ours were gagged under metal health acts and one of those had two families members shot and the family dog.

People like you and I change moods - its part of our survival. At times you want to tell the bloody world about the low lives and others you don’t want to even think about it.
Don’t you still remember that first big kick in the guts. That special boss that you thought would care and that you could trust.


I am not going to lecture you about saying too much on here because I am sure your ‘well aware’ of the risks. Don’t underestimate them. (I know you don’t)
I would hate to see a BYO job done on you etc.

I agree the crooks are the least of the problem in many situations.

We have a very tiny little group of X whatever’s. Keep in contact by phone and occasionally meet up. One person is thinking about starting a web site (There’s safety in numbers)

Mostly we try to just keep watch over each other. Just be there so you know your not alone and can ring someone to vent. Anyway the site might be fun as jokes are always good.
You can contact me on info@livexports.com.

Don’t draw attention to yourself now working alone my friend. Don’t take this the wrong way but I hope not to see you back in this thread.
I wont post here again either so I don’t encourage you.
Its your time to take a well earned break.

Don’t give them these years as well- Stuff them Your smarter than that.

Just one for the road to Belly =
Belly said=

*I have with my own eyes seen rolled over trucks stripped of valuables by serving police, stolen loads not salvaged and not just a few but every one in a station can we trust police?*

Pale comments
*Everyone* in the station Ah Belly
Umm, what did YOU do about it? Or were you too scared to stand up and be counted.

If people only knew the damage they do by making such statements.

The good cops get the back lash of this type of gargabe .

Either put up and send your evidence direct to the PC or shut up.

You do have evidence I take it belly dont you?

So why didnt you report this. ? All it takes is for good men to do nothing- Havent you heard of that.

Its sort of like animal cruelty. People know full well its happening but remain silent. Its shameful.

Silly little school boy rumours about stuff getting knocked off from a truck or trucks and the irresponsible claims that *the whole station were in on it.*

How would you know what the *whole station were in on Belly*.

I can asure you it doesnt work like that. The younger ones are kept apart to be kicked and used and bullied to pretend that all police are the pillar of soceity.

The older blokes would never allow a young rooster to have that type of evidence to use against them. Always watcful of others wanting to Que jump to the top and take their jobs.

What you have just described does not happen in the way you presented it.

Your so full of it.

pale reading your posts here reminds me of those cowboy paper back books lively but not to be taken seriously.
How did you ever get the idea our ex police man poster was trying to uncover bad cops?
From what wild place did you get the idea I lied?
ICAC heard of it?
hours trying to get many to tell the truth about those rolled over trucks, you just do not talk about police thieving without reason.
And whistle blowers run last always so ICAC wasted its time.
I will leave every thread you use to insult and prod ,but want you to look at your written arm over the shoulder of o sung Wu.
It is your standard practice to do so, then use your new chum, the idea o sung Wu is investigating those he has so well defended here is rubbish.

Belly
You annoyed me by doing all the good coppers a great injustice. *Everybody at the police station was in on it!* How irresponsible is that.
Oh and remember you were told it comes from the top so what do you think ICAC and CMC etc and the likes are REALLY for? Dur.
Anybody who understands the system knows they are people you steer well clear of.
Dont tell me you tried to report a whole police station to ICAC.
Talk about a good Belly Laugh.

Dont try to bring the nice x policeman into your differences with me either.
Hes possibly wondering why I came back into this thread to take you up on your comment which would be fair enough.

Because you have for a long time posted the most nasty stupid comments to upset good people I just had to say something.

You had Antje in tears because shes not so good with English and Taryn was called awful things because she made a comment about aboriginals.
Mind you Taryn is actually part aboriginal. Neither post here any more .

Now your posting irresponsible posts about all coppers.
That makes a mockery of what good coopers have been through. Your childish ill informed unkind and I thought it was about time someone told you.
Now you can rush off to your mate as you call him kevin 07.
Mind you its possible your speaking the truth because Kevins not that bright eitherIMOP. Hes proved already to be a dishonerable liar.

Hi there BELLY...

I've read your last couple of posts carefully, regarding your assertions that all, most, or just a few coppers are, corrupt !

Without putting too fine a point on it, I've tried to explain that ALL organisitions, institutions, or ANY affiliation or group of human beings, who are gathered together for a common purpose, may be susceptible to corrupt behaviour of some sort.

Further, police are probably the MOST audited and scrutinized group of individuals in the workforce per se ! And, because police have to 'cop' so much crap from many,many different sources, they generally enjoy pretty reasonablly pay and benefits, together with, probably one of the best Superannuation Schemes available to the ordinary working man.

BELLY, think for a moment if you will. Do you actually believe a copper with a few years service in, would actually jeopardize ALL of the above benefits for a few ill-gotten 'goodies' ? Or, engage in systematic thievery - or commit some other indiscretion - like giving a mug a bit of 'biff' in the cells ?

By far, the large majority of police members would NEVER risk losing these advantages. Nor would they wish to destroy their own (or their families) good fame and character, for a flirtatious pilgrimage into the shadowy world of crime ?

As PALE&IF correctly suggested herein. If you have evidence that these events you've described, actually took place, then you should report it to police immediately. If not police, ANY related government department will pick-up the cudgel, and either deal with it themselves, or they'll pass it on to the correct and relevant authority.

I have to keep my words very much on track but o sung Wu if you served in NSW you know what I say is true.
In the 1980,and into the 90,s ICAC did get involved as I said.
Police did get removed from the force.
And I was indeed one of a great number interviewed by a chief inspector of police attacked to ICAC.
I did not sign a statement, and will not continue to dance close to the flame, it is true every word this thread has story's we must understand are also true why say it is not true?
this very day NSW press has a story about the highest level police corruption, police being the whistle blowers.
Pale you have little good will to trade on, seem to like insulting posters and look for fights.
I will avoid you by leaving the thread but have you noticed I no longer post in animal welfare threads?
You insure any one who differs with you is subject to insults and its not worth talking to you
o sung Wu I would stay and talk with you but history tells me it would not be wise reading my post history and pales would highlight a long term problem.

Hi all

Belly, it is a pity you have let PALE drive you away from animal welfare threads, that's just what they want - to discredit everyone who disagrees with them. Do return to us!

Cheers
Nicky

I see this thread raging on,

I agree with o sung wu,

“Without putting too fine a point on it, I've tried to explain that ALL organisitions, institutions, or ANY affiliation or group of human beings, who are gathered together for a common purpose, may be susceptible to corrupt behaviour of some sort.”

We have seen it in diverse branches of the law, in all the professions and in the church. It will always happen because the organisations are of people and rely on the ethicacy of people.

The test for the system is

A to minimise the intake of people of dubious character (psychological profiles and historic behaviour can help there)

B to quarantine and expel those who do turn from or fail the standards required by the system, profession, association or authority.

I measure the success of an organisation on its prompt and urgent responsiveness to ‘B’ not the conduct of those who managed to sneak in through ‘A’

Like I said originally

“I recall we have had police commissioners end up in gaol. The system worked because it identified and punished them.”

Although we will always speculate on how prompt any action might be.

Hi all

In reply to everyone here, I can only say that my experiences with police officers in the two Australian states in which I have lived have been positive, and this is from various perspectives. I have worked in justice systems, and relied in police officers on occasion to serve court documents with or for me on some quite unpleasant types and have always met with great support. On the alternative side, I have been part of animal rights protests, and found that provided we treated the police officers present with respect they did likewise.

I have seen corruption in lots of other organizations however, particularly government departments.

I think it may be that we want to hold police officers, and others who have authority under the law to a higher standard than we hold the wider community, and obviously for various reasons there will be some who cannot sustain that. But the system is terribly hard on those people who "crack" often with no bad intentions.

We need to recognize human nature in this. The overwhelming majority of police officers are good people, there for the right reasons, and doing an extraordinarily difficult job. After all, they must see, and clean up things most of us wouldn't want to see in our worst nightmares.

Nicky

o sung wu

Hey O sung wu Heres a web site with the numbers on it in case I swiped any incoming emails on the bottom on this comment . Did you read the book put our by Dess Sturggess a tangled web? Maybe not as it was a QLD thing. Good Book Tells it like it was. Covers Lewis and some others going into NSW and Melbourne. My cousins also just retired a few years ago. Hes pretty lost now after his wife died. At times he like the rest he is sorry hes out but then its replaced with relief.
I still own a PI S office but mostly leave it to old buddies and a few others. Put all my time into Animal Welfare which was always my first love.
Ok Cheers and remember to enjoy your well earned break. Take up fishing - I dont mean that fishing:) Anyway
Catch You Later.

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