When the Berlin Wall went down we thought it was all over.
I did.
China I knew would probably continue on because well... China is China and she does what she wants.
Now a new Prime Minister... and he speaks Mandarin and he is friendly towards China.
More so than the previous government whose decisions I respected greatly and who generally kept China out beyond arms length.
Yet something worries me about the present two-way chit-chat with Beijing.
Im concerned we are not doing the right and wise thing...my thoughts are scattered, uncongealed.
Could we, if we were not very careful, be openning doors down the timeline for a future style of Australian government of a type we would once have found abhorent?
Are there any safeguards from within that check our moves as we come alongside a totalitarian government.
Intelligence people seem so tied up these days with the terrorism concept...I wouldnt ask of them.
Does someone watch the little steps we make each day, in the many diplomatic directions?
Do watchers watch the watchers who watch all of the rest?
Id like to know of a think tank that is accepted as reliable, one or more, so I can follow their reports.
Can you assist?

Bored with the Muslims Gibo?.

Didnt know you were on-fire for Islam StG?
Would you have Australia under their law?
Australian women treated like they treat their own women?

You didnt add to the thread StG.

Come on what are your thoughts on the closeness with China?
Do you think if we go to her often enough, we might bring back a bit of the old red infection and that might quietly spread and become future government?
My thoughts run along that line.
What would be worse... the slow creep of Islam one day becoming a real threat to democracy... or Red China successfully planting her ideology here.
Is anyone watching the dance with China... and where it could go?

Never heard an academic speak out yet a common man can see the troubles of rubbing against an old calsomine wall.

YOU PICK UP THE CALSOMINE!

Mate, I know you've got this long held prehistoric thought process of 'if you hang out with it you become it' hysteria. Like with Muslims, Homo-cough-sexuals, Communists, Lefties, Emo's, Feminists, under 50's, Women, Foreign-cough-cough-ers, Catholics, Jews etc etc. Now don't get me wrong Gibo, I'm not suggesting you're a bigot...ok, I am, I guess, and a book burning ignorant to boot, but maybe talking with the people you fear may actually create an avenue to negotiate change in THEIR prehistoric thought processes. Instead of wiping them off your 'things to do list', you should communicate and gain understanding of what they're all about.....actually about, not uneducated, bigoted, fear, about. Communism isn't a virus, Captain 60's. We aren't gonna contract it, like malaria.

Could communism be big again...and spread to Australia?

In the world according to Col Rouge:

YES, if we start cooperating with each other and living sustainably.

Man, am I gonna get flamed for that.

;-)

No offence Gibo, but what you know about China is even less reliable than your dissertations on the flying saucer menace.

Tell me. Have you ever been there, or do you prefer to remain safely ignorant?

Gibo, maybe it would be a good thing if our rotten plutocratic kelptocratic oligarchic bicracy was to become a whole lot more socialistic? (:>o

Maybe Rudd’s familiarity with China can lead to us developing a hybrid system, with the best from both worlds.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1828#36420

Gibo: << Do you think if we go to her often enough, we might bring back a bit of the old red infection >>

My goodness, Gibo - such imagery! What is it exactly that "we" get up to when "we go to her"?

However, I agree with this:

<< ...my thoughts are scattered, uncongealed. >>

Fractelle: << Man, am I gonna get flamed for that. >>

PINKO COMMIE GREENIE!

:D

Ludwig: << Gibo, maybe it would be a good thing if our rotten plutocratic kelptocratic oligarchic bicracy was to become a whole lot more socialistic? (:>o >>

Look! Another PINKO COMMIE GREENIE!

Maybe Gibo's right - they seem to be everywhere. Clearly, Fractelle and Ludwig are agents for the wicked and inscrutable Chinese forces of darkness.

Look under your beds! They're everywhere! We're under attack!

CJ... you wouldn't dare make light of such a serious issue would you?

Why... oh NO! You're one of them too aren't you! Beware! The agents of satan will use underhanded tactics like humour and logic!

Such vile methods cannot be allowed! Cover your eyes and ears children! If it makes sense or is funny, it's DANGEROUS!

StG: "Now don't get me wrong Gibo, I'm not suggesting you're a bigot...ok, I am, I guess, and a book burning ignorant to boot..."

StG is on-fire for funniness this morning.

TRTL

Humour has always signified limp-wristed, leftist, bleeding-heart greenies. (Did I leave anything out?)

Just ask any stand-up comedian.

CJ
:D
Back atcha.

Question for any(every)-one.

What is it with being religious and spreading fear? IS that how they get converts? Hmmmmm.

I live in a temperate rain forest, two years ago a woman was crushed to death under a eucalyptus branch while working in her garden.

BEWARE: When Gum-trees attack. Nature is finally revenging itself on that most voracious of viruses - humans.

I hope the dear reader appreciates how I have used my Green/Left affiliation as a basis for my scaremongering.

I love all of this.
We are picking up speed real good.

Fractelle.
I wont flame you.
In principle communism has quite a few strengths. Everyone treated equal and everyone loving and respecting each other.
Sad thing was that it was satans conterfeit against Christianity. See Ukraine thread. Communism ended up killing millions because those at the top wouldnt remain truthful to the vision and expunged all who opposed them...then it got real paranoid and they started killing everyone.
No wonder we had a drawn out Cold War. Commie leadership was insane.

TRTL.
In truth I dont know all that much about China.
I read the papers and go on the net and I see their persecution of much that moves.
As a christian I know where their worship lies (mostly) and who is in control of their evil government.
You dont run over your kids with tanks without being slaves to the devil.
I know the Bible and what it says about the worlds final great army, the kings of the east, and where its going (a small southern movement of the 200 million soldiers will probably land here too...enough prophecies about it amongst the committed christians).
I dont have to spend years finely observing their history and their inventions to see what is obvious to me.

*You know...if they invade down this far, one of the things on their minds will be on is the Australian women...thanks to their one child policy creating a nation of mostly men.

StG.
Im not greatly opposed to feminism. They do what they do and to some degree I wish them well. Women are poorly treated because men abuse their positions as real men.
The Bible position is man first, then woman, man looking after the woman and not hanging out with abuse or lust towards her all of the time. Be good to see the guys put the porn away. What a crippling weakness it is.
Ive got nothing against the Jews. They are Gods people are blessed as a nation in Israel as such.

Gibo: "Im not greatly opposed to feminism."

That's great Gibo. That leaves Muslims, Homo-cough-sexuals, Communists, Lefties, Emo's, under 50's, Women, Foreign-cough-cough-ers, and Catholics you've got issue with. As long as we've cleared that up.

Gibo,as you admit that you 'dont know all that much about China', I don't know why you started all this with an unfounded fear of Communism spreading here from China.

As far as I can see, the recent years of economic development and increases in personal freedoms will eventually lead to a more democratic China that could be more of a friend than a foe.

The younger generation there desire the same lifestyle of the West and they are the future leaders. You don't see them waving Chairman Mao's 'Little Red Book' anymore.

The days of 'reds under beds' are gone.

STG - Too funny

Gibo: "I'm not greatly opposed to feminism."

Except where it means women are equal. Oh dear.

Gibo, I think you mean well, in fact, I'm sure you mean well. But mate, could you just take in the occasional Harry Potter book or the latest Indiana Jones movie? I'm not suggesting that you fully embrace atheism, but you need to go about things a little more laterally - there is a diverse and wonderful world out there. ENJOY.

I thought governments were like little dominos that would fall over, one-by-one, until we were all taken over by the Reds.

Many Aussies died for this theory in Vietnam but nothing else seems to have toppled so far.

Actually Im a true believer in prophecy from The Lord.
This comes of many years in the pentecostal christian churches (would be about 23 or so years now) and having seen (eyewitnessing) how The Holy Spirit operates amongst committed christian men and women as He Touches their lives.
It comes from hearing of so many visions and "Words of Knowledge" (prophecies) given to christian believers related to future world events that it becomes impossible NOT to believe them, especially the string of visions and prophecies related to an asian invader.

It became impossible NOT to believe they were not true.

Remember this is a world of Christian believers that few here know anything of because few if any of our readers have gone into that world with child-likeness in their hearts...i.e. able to receive what God Gives to His people as genuine-from- God Communication.

The benchmark of all revelations in the string is Pastor Jack Burrells' book "What will become of Australia" 1975 about enemy soldiers on OZ soil; and the loss of about half of the continent.
In Jacks book, remember its revelation from The Lord, Jack says page 24..."and the invaders will keep the Northern half of Australia, and populate it with people of their own choice. The Southern part of Australia will be governed by a communist-style government, and all land, and all property will be owned by the state".
For a communist-style government to exist out there, in the future, there has to be a seeding somewhere in this age.
I think the move to become friendly with communist China is that seeding and I would like someone to be willing to investigate the seeding... so the people are aware.
Many Australians died in the Cold War (thousands of fine men and women all over the world).
Do we want to honour them?... and be ever so careful who we do a spiritual dance with?
Do we really want communist governments anywhere?
Id like K.Rudds dream of "friends with China" looked at.
Theres been too many deaths because of communism already.

Yep Ceej, I’m a pinko commie greenie…. and prreyowd of it!! Not a full-on red-under-the-bed, but a light pink socialistically-oriented common garden type of commo greenie who believes in democracy with a considerably stronger socialistic aspect than we have in Oz.

In fact, a stronger socialistic bent to our governance goes hand in hand with a more democratic system…and is much more amenable to a green future, yes?

“Look under your beds! They're everywhere! We're under attack!”

Oh, if only it was true!! If only there were PCGs under every bed! We’d all be saved (:>)

Fascism is much more likely.

Don't worry Gibo.
The world has much more to fear from the excesses of capitalism than it does any Communist regime' in China. China is moving away slowly from Communism and is developing economically at a fast rate.

I mean they even have McDonalds. :)

Fractelle: "What is it with being religious and spreading fear? IS that how they get converts? Hmmmmm."

I think religious people are fearful. That's why they become religious. They spread it because they are infused with it.

Those god-botherers who don't believe there can be morality without religion are afraid of what they might get up to if they didn't have religion to keep them on the straight and narrow.

Gibo, you are absolutely correct. The threat is imminent.

Time to round up a whole bunch of demons (next time they drop in for some wrestling), load them into the old flying saucer (how'd the repaint turn out on that?) and drop them over key points in China.

That will fix them.

Maybe you could collect a few more prophecies about communism as well, make sure you ignore any that are not saying what you don't want to hear though. Just focus on the ones which are on your pet topic, that's how words from god and prophecy are supposed to work isn't it?

Fractelle I used to think Gibo meant well and had been conned by a cult but he's been caught with his hands in the deceptiuon bucket too often for me to think so anymore. Too often he has made it clear that he considers his own life experience more valuable than any research (and expects others to do the same) but at the same time treats others life experience as irrelevant.

Have a read of Gibo's time as a cop thread and see how much everybody but Gibo gets blamed for his life choices. His style sometimes suggests well meaning and mislead however the content over time makes that pretty much impossible to believe.

R0bert

Gibo,

No. But the fear of communism or calling socialists communists could be used by an extreme right party against Australia's interests, as happened in Germany 1932/4. Middle of the road capalitalism is okay by me. Lee Yuan Yew was a Fabian, now look at him.

Potentially, Iran & North Korea are a bigger threat. China could emerge as a nationalist democracy, provided it does make the same mistake, it did in 1920s, not share its new wealth with peasantry. Albeit, today's oligarchs have more independence from Western banks, than when The Bund was at its peak.

Hey guys, I think I'm onto something big here!

The invaders from the east, the alien spacecraft, all of it... and to top it all off......I think it's already happened!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Invaders

Check it out.. it all fits! OMFG the red one is about to land!

GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER!

Huh? OMFG? What does that stand for?

Oh oh OMFG, THAT'S what it stands for!!

Oooow ( : > 0

Nice link, Bugsy.

I thought that a Space Invader was an insect crawling into Gibo's ear.

Well chaps.
Im happy with what Ive written, though some of the responses are a bit uncool.

The Bible Word is "what we plant (sow), we reap" (Galatians 6:7).
It also stands rock firm for nations and what gets planted inside of them.

If we open, even a small door to Red China, the China that it is will move in through that door and begin to manipulate.
They are doing it all over the world right now today in 2008.
Global control is what theyre about.
Then years and years down the line we have a communist style government in Australia and a government that presecutes its people.

A big question: should ASIO and the federal opposition watch Labor ever so carefully?
You betcha they should... and never stop watching them.

Id ask for an inquiry as to where Labor plans to go with their "Red China" dance.

For Robert,

sorry for this late post Robert. It's from a post you wrote in 2005! to an article I wrote about Lolita.

And somehow, having just read your post an all the others, I felt the need to reply.

Sorry also to other posters in this discussion. If I could contact Robert any other way, privately, I would.

I'm currently doing my PhD on child sexual abuse and trauma. There is much research to indicate that young girls (and boys) who are sexually abused quickly make the association that their only value is sexual.

To get the love they need (all children need) they often present themselves sexually or, as you put it in your post, try to 'come on' to guys.

They may continue to do this well into adult life, recreating the abusive situation over and over until they are finally forced - by the level of their own unhappiness and dysfunction - to confront their past and the damage that caused.

So, yes, young girls (and boys do the same following abuse) re-enact it and try to 'seduce' those they want affection from. They have learned from an impressionable age that the two go hand in hand. (Research repeated over and over in various countries puts abuse rates at one in four for girls and one in seven for boys. Although under-reporting for boys is suspected. One recent Indian study of 2200 particpants showed a child sexual abuse rate of 46% of girls and 49% of boys. The question was not framed in terms of abuse but of first sexual experiences.)

Also, as you or another poster pointed out, I have seen studies showing that one-third of child sexual abusers are female.

Although not all abused children become abusers, some 60% of child sexual abusers have been abused themselves. Those who are going to take this path often start abusing others in adolescence.

Just wanted to clarify and respond to some of your points.

Barbara

Fractelle “I hope the dear reader appreciates how I have used my Green/Left affiliation as a basis for my scaremongering.”

Well that is as much as the green left can imagine, scaremongering, the doom and the gloom of eternal mediocrity.

With no inate imagination, original thought, the ability to innovate or aspire above the roots of the trees they hug, green-left is condemned to a precarious existence on the edge of the compost heap.

The important thing for libertarian capitalists is to make sure they green-left and other swill do not succeed in their entryist inspired attempts at subverting the more rational electorate into believing the sentimentality of their cause is anything but deluded bull dust.

Now to the question Gibo asks.

Imho, with every new generation of people comes a risk of the sort of political structures being built by the meddling fools who think socialism has anything to offer. Those “useful idiots”, as Lenin called them, having organised society into the sort of place where strong government is expected then loose their grasp on it and the entryist crawl out of the undergrowth to install a Leninist or Stalinist or Pol Potist regime of horror.

They might call themselves “reasonable and responsible socialists”, placing their pseudo caring and sentimental philosophy of demanding high taxation to alleviate all of humanities by and making sure high taxation ensures no one aspires beyond the mediocre.

Certainly history has shown how the young are more “socialist inclined” and how conservative values take a while to mature and replace the babbling socialist drivel in minds of youthful folly.

We will always need to beware setting ourselves up with the sort of social organisation which facilitates the entryists and other subversives.
However, the best way of preventing that is to keep government small and limited.
Do not allow the politicians to acquire power beyond the barest needed.
Devolve authority to local government, rather than centralise it.

The bigger apple of bigger government leaves more places for the entryist maggots to hide.

Gibo: "The Bible Word is "what we plant (sow), we reap" (Galatians 6:7). "

Mate, this is simply the Christian answer to the Hindu's karma. If you're an arse, the universe (God) will eventually get you. If you're a kind and giving person, chances are you'll find yourself surrounded by the same. My grandmother had a saying with exactly the same inference: "smile a while and while you smile there'll soon be miles and miles of smiles".

Pass the bottle, Col.

Parsh th boddle Ceej. Ive ad unuff of this bab bab babluling soshlist drrribbbl….

ooow…. escuze me for shpidding evrywere…..

one more shwig and im awf. I thing ol go ug a tree goodnighd and the crash oud on tha composht eep.

Buuuuurrrrrp

CJ Morgan "Pass the bottle, Col."

it always amazes me how you can manage to appear lucid with your vocabulary of mono-syllables and half line sentences CJ.

Keep working at it, you might be able to read joined up writing one day.

As for passing you anything, when I have finished.
I would not want anything back which carries a risk of fluid exchange from you.

So...I take it that most see no real danger to democracy in what the Rudd government is doing with the closeness with China?

Col:

MWAH!

(That was an air kiss... and I get to keep the bottle!)

Well, me 'n' me pinko commie mate Lewdie anyways.. mmmm... compost's warm...

Do you want some virtual Berocca, Col?

MWAH! again.

Keep railing on about socialism Col, you're nearly as good as Gibo.

Good on ya Gibo! your first post and expression about your thoughts was spot on.
In threads condemning firms for putting profits before people you talk like a brover or maybe a comrade?
Our Kev may he rule forever might shed some light on Harold Holt did that sub pick him up?

Gibo

You are correct no-one sees any threat to the Rudd government via communism. But I cannot guarantee that the threat of space invaders will be halted any time soon.

Col - you dear man, FYI

SATIRE: the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule

I hope this helps. But be warned ONLY socialists use satire, so if you ever find yourself indulging in such behaviour I recommend you grab that bottle off CJ.

Gibo, I have to admit that you're almost there when you predict a government that persecutes its people. The only addition to that is that we already have one. After the election we exchanged a group of over-bearing, greedy, selfish scum under one banner for much the same under another banner. Today's greatest swear word is 'politician'.

As for your constant references on most threads of the coming apocalypse, BWAHAHAHAHAHA! (Skeletor's laugh).

CJ Moron “Keep railing on about socialism Col, you're nearly as good as Gibo.”

Thank you for that comparison.

With no disrespect to Gibo,

whilst I may disagree with some of his views, I feel greater empathy with him than the pseudo literate swill like you.

On the “raining on” issue, if you had any competency in debate, you would have challenged my view, instead you feebly attempt to bite my ankle with your piss-weak wit. Hardly the strategy of a consummate debater, more the reaction of a consummate self-fiddler.

Fractelle “I hope this helps. But be warned ONLY socialists use satire, so if you ever find yourself indulging in such behaviour I recommend you grab that bottle off CJ.”

Actually Oscar Wilde was an exemplary satirist and somehow, the last person I would describe as “socialist”, unless I was being satirical.

But I guess when you need to cherry pick for anything to accredit yourself with, like you and CJ, it becomes no different to picking your nose,

all you end up with is a finger load of boogers.

But we all know why you would sooner develop affinity with anyone other than me, you fear that which is beyond your understanding and control. It is one of the typical reactions of the intellectually and socially (and possibly physically) inadequate.

Shame, you keep coming back for more, maybe you are developing some masochistic predilections. Care for something OTK?

Austin Powerless “Today's greatest swear word is 'politician'.”

I tend to empathize with your view.

Hence I believe, keep politicians and politics to a minimum and government too.

It is a power addiction, the more power they have the more they want and it is your and my taxes which pay for it all.

Less government is both cheaper and safer for anyone who values personal liberty.

Looks like Col's found himself another bottle - but he's not a very happy drunk, is he?

Don't bother passing the bottle this time, Col. The last one was sour. However, you might find a decent red under Gibo's bed.

My grandmother once told me a pearl of wisdom I'll never forget.

She said there were evil people out there who would try to trick you into believing in things, and that the only way to prevent religious or political indoctrination was simply to stop thinking.

Thankfully everyone here is following her instructions, so we're safe for now.

Barbara, I've submitted a new thread request to follow up on your post. The requested title is "Child Sexual Abuse and questions from Barbara". If approved that will provide a legitimate place to follow up on that discussion. Do you have a link to my original post? The little blue clipboard symbol under the post can be used to copy a link to the post onto the clipboard.

I'm only on the forum sporatically at the moment (and will be away over the long weekend) so if I'm slow in responding please don't be offended.

Cheers
R0bert

I guess we all seemed to have finished.
I enjoyed the thread.
Would have liked some talk from educated think tank people on the possibilies of a future communist style government here...trends that could lead to one etc.
e.g. Mr. Rudd getting too close to asia causing the seeds of change here to eventually weigh us down so much that we lose what we had.
Even now I notice on the Your Say columns of newspapers a resignation in the hearts of many of our youth, that involving with China is inevitable.
Its not though.
Id rather see us sign on as another state of the USA rather than have China rule in this part of the world.

Ive got to go away for a couple of weeks so I wish you all well and happy writings:)
Remember those prophecies about the invader. I found about 14 doing casual research over a few years...and Im just one small guy in the christian churches. Its worth praying about if youre a praying person. Pray for the nation as a whole.
"Everyone who calls on the Name of The Lord will be saved"...Romans 10:13. Getting saved is a wonderful experience.