Ukraine
the 75 Anniversary of the Famine in Ukraine
Ukrainian scholars have proved that "the liquidation of the Ukrainian rural population through the Holodomor was a conscious and purposeful act of terrorism of the Bolshevistic regime in Ukraine ". This is evidenced undisputedly by archival documents of party, Soviet and punitive bodies.
The following data is also a guide to the immensity of the catastrophe: the population of the Soviet Union decreased from 165,700,000 in the fall of 1933 down to 158,000,000, or by 7,700,000, in April of 1933, mostly, on account of the rural population.
Impossible to comprehend is also the fact that in the XXth century mankind faced cannibalism as a common phenomena in these terrible years - people were ready to kill one of the members of their family in order to feed the others. This famine was caused by the confiscation of the 1931 grain harvest until the summer of 1932, i.e., until a new harvest. Unlike 1931, in 1932, if peasants had no grain, their reserves of food other that grain were confiscated.
Only with the knowledge of these facts, it may be understood why, during only the last year, the year of the 75th anniversary of this catastrophe, the Ukrainian President Viktor Yuschenko visited many leaders of democracies asking them, in the name of the entire Ukrainian community, to recognize the 1932-33 events as the Holodomor, as a crime against the Ukrainian people.
The heart of any living organism is the center of life. Ukraine is the center of Europe . The European leaders should grasp the entire importance of the Ukrainian problems and make the first move towards Viktor Yuschenko this becoming the continuation of a confident motion of Ukraine to the European Union towards democractic standards.

Yad F. Patru

Thanks for posting the thread Royaler.
It has good knowledge in it.
We do well not to forget what has happened and that Communism still isnt dead.
It lives on today in about four countries and still has its "demon draw" for some in their entrancement with things Chinese.
Love to see K. Rudd say no to China.
He's like a moth at a flame at the moment.
I believe that committed christians were taken with their children to railway stations in those early days in Russia and told that if they didnt renounce Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour their children would be put on trains and they would never been seen again.
And we had people in this country that loved the system that its evil was!
Some still chase the old Red flame here in God-blessed Australia... and prophecy to the christian churches of Australia tells me that one day we might once again see its rise to power.
What goes around sometimes comes around. If we are careless.
China already has over 1,000 spies here planting what they want to plant.
Seducing important people to their side of the Red fence.

Royaler, I appreciate your reminder.

IT is only through history that we can see the inherited folly of those who Lenin called his "Useful Fools", who think that socialism has anything but misery to offer anyone.

The Ukrainians died in their millions and the socialist swill would seek to take us down that same dark path again.

Keep posting, the lessons of history help are often all which stops new generations from similar stupidity.

After being married to, for just over 4 yrs, a professed Chinese Communist whom I met here in Australia (her family was evidently quite high up the Cherry Tree) the wonderful mother of 2 has not written nor contacted her children for coming up 15 yrs now.

If this is what they call 'family responsibility' under their ideology then for God's and pity's sake we must do all in our prayers and powers to keep the festering sore of Communism from spreading here.

In Darwin at present, the visibility and presence of these "agents" is quite remarkable - once you know what to look for. Mingled here and there amongst the daily throng of 'Backpackers' in plague proportions heralded by the 'Dry'.

The likelihood of new LNG plants here, the availabilty of natural resources nearby and Labor government(s) willing to suck up thus far - to the PROC representatives is exciting, yet also alarming at the same time.

Like the Japanese here in 1936 to 1939 (prior to the 1942 Bombing of Darwin), these geologists, scientists, economists, all with eyes down - searching - but when will the dogs start to bark and when will the lights come on in our own backyard?

Back to the thread though, if the suffering of the Ukrainian people (and not for one moment discounting its social effects) was visited here in kind, then a population of just over 100,000 is all that would be affected.

The greater effect would be on our Australian economy from there on due to the pressure they could exert through markets viz a viz the recent acquisition attempts on iron ore producers.

Dear Royaler,

The 75th Anniversary of the Ukraine famine. Thank you for reminding us. I wonder how many posters actually know about this event?
The crimes of Stalin are rarely discussed in the West.

Robert Conquest wrote a brilliant book called, "The Harvest of Sorrow," on the topic. It was published in 1986 by Hutchinson, in London. It should be available from any local library - for any one interested in reading it. It affected me deeply.

Have we learned anything from the terrors of the past?

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn tells us in the Preface, to his book, "The Gulag Archipelago," about an old Russian proverb that says,

"No, don't! Don't dig up the past!
Dwell on the past and you'll lose an eye."

But the proverb goes on to say:

"Forget the past and you'll lose both eyes!"