Ive noticed a few articles on OLO about global food crisis.
They got me wondering about Australias food supplies and supply systems.
How many days food do we have? Has anyone thought of a national food silo system?
How about country folk?
They always seem a long way off from the docks and are dependent on the road and rail systems to get what they need.
How would they fare in a crisis if fuel suddenly wasnt available for a while?
National disasters are on the increase. Who's really ready?
Do country towns and communities have plans for emergencies?
Is there liaison between councils and local farmers re: possible days of crisis?
I always have at least two weeks food in the pantry...do you store food, at least several weeks supply?

Onya Gibo :) as soon as I saw the title..I said "This has got to be Gibo" :)

Well.. taking as our guide the 7 fat cows and the 7 lean skinny cows shown to Pharaoh, and Josephs very correct interpetation of the dream..and facing already food riots in many places.. 9 people killed in Pharaohs place in a food line...just last week.

I think we SHOULD be storing as much as we can as a buffer against the coming problems.

Gibo..I bought a large tract of suburban land in 1998, and it was because of a gut feeling.... now.. my gut is feeling very justified about that.

If I want..I can run a small herd of sheep/lambs.. maybe a few pigs.. 3 or 4 cattle..and grow all I need for survival, including rice most likely. (my missus is the expert there :)
In fact.. we could do wet rice cultivation and reap a harvest every year.

blessings bro.

Im like a pane of glass BOAZ_David.
You can see right through me. Anyone towards "last days" can.
I got into prophecy many years ago and I could not, not believe what I collected as I expanded my search through the christian churches on "troubles" revelations.
I gathered some unpleasant stuff about a time of Judgment on the nation because of its sin. Not a Judgment for today (2008)...but one along the timeline into the future, a day off... "out there".
Early years I got into Pastor Jack Burrells book "What will become of Australia" 1975 in part mentioning a time when fuel and food would be scarce.
It gave me time to ponder on what might come; and how things might unfold and my heart began to mellow towards country folk and their distant future predicament.
A huge number of towns are far from major cities and ports and over the years Ive seen the railway lines close and everything having to be driven in by trucks. Get a shortage of fuel and many communities will have to fend for themselves.
That means what they have in their supermarkets and their cupboards and what ever friendly liaison they might have with local farmers.
So why not a national food silo system to ease the pain?
Even if we dont believe in prophecy we can still see the growing unrest around the world, the rice crisis seems at the top at the moment. Wars are spreading. Economies are getting shot. China threatens world peace I believe, as does Iran and North Korea and other rebellious nations...and our own backyard is in a mess.
Labor in NSW seems to spend its time fighting amongst itself. Rural folk are going backwards bad.
Dont know where the young chap in Canberra is in his walk with the Lord.
Maybe God Has him going to China?
Anyway I was thinking much about country people (not about prophecies, I know about them).
That block of land sounds good David:)

PS: reckon you would make a good Jeremiah Johnson BD.
Dont know how those guys survived. Had to be Gods Grace.
Made of steel not McDonalds tucker and computer living.

You are a serious loony, you do know that don't you Gibo?

A national food silo system? As opposed to what? leaving it lying around on the ground like you seem to think they do now?

Do you have any idea on how much grain and food generally Australia produces? Millions of tonnes per year. We won't be starving.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about farmers or rural folk having food in a crisis. I'll let you in on a little known secret: they make it.

What a grin! yet the bush folk will eat far better than city ones if it came to that.
First week would see BD get his sheep stolen by the hungry mob then we would have to guard the fruit and vegys in the scrub, or share them better idea.

YIKES... hungry mob ? :) Belly.. you better provide some good labor for my newly installed hyper security system mate ...

but I'm planting a good hedge.. hopefully no one will SEE my tucker supplies.

Chickens are pretty easy to look after though..and can provide both eggs and meat.. I can have trout in my dam also.. as long as I fight off the Herons.

hereeeee chook chook... (hides the big knife in the hand)

BUGSY.. this might come as a surprise, but you don't need to call Gibo a loony.. it doesn't help anyone.

and they call 'ME' arrogant :) SHEEEEESH...

You're a loony too Boazy, if that helps.

Growing rice and running chickens on a block of 'suburban land' indeed. Oh, and protecting all by a hedge so nobody will notice. Yeah you're completely sane.

So, what are your thoughts on a 'national silo system'? Apart from neither of you understanding how much it would cost, it's insane.

loonyloonyloonyloony

Bugsy/Belly.
Farmers can only produce if theres fuel.
They cant plant or harvest if there is any impediment to the flow of diesel.
High prices are becoming an impediment. Conflicts in certain parts of the world part of the cause. Conflicts are going to increase.
Many farmers are already going out of business because of high prices on diesel.
Its in the papers quite often...on ABC radio news the other day. One third of farmers in recent times have left the farm to move to the cities.
Country towns need, even today, to prepare for the fuel droughts of the future and for the food shortages.
If you go to the bigger rural cities theres very little fuel storage capacity and the only food storage is in whatever grain silos and supermarkets there are.
To date there has been no specific national silo system to cope with disasters.
Did you know that for years and years China has been storing grain underground in vast areas to survive nuclear conflict? America does the same. Theres a chalk mine in the southern states somewhere where bulldozers dig out huge rooms out of the chalk to be filled with cooler rooms for beef and dairy products, then the bulldozers simply move on and carve out another room to be filled with beef and dairy products.
Canberra does nothing (known) for the commoners...ho hum to the people of the lucky country.
Theres a story around the transport industry that a few years ago Brisbane was almost out of flour and truck loads of flour had to be quietly trucked up from southern states so there was bread for the people of the city.
I dont know if the story is accurate but if it is then the supply of goods throughout Australia is very delicate.
You young guys do the right thing.
I believe it is a citizens duty to have several weeks food in their cupboards so as to relieve the pressure on emergency supply groups if disaster actually occurs. You country councils too. Look after your people.

Gibo, methinks that you city slickers don't have a clue, as to
what is going on in your own country.

We already have a silo storage system. The one in Western Australia
alone, holds 15 million tonnes of grain. Then most farms have their
own farm storage on top of that. My personal one, on my small
place, holds aroud 250 tonnes of grain. How much frigging more
storage do you want?

Gibo, I am well aware of China's strategic grain reserve. You may not be aware of the cost such an activity entails. Maintaining the quality of the grain itself is becoming increasingly difficult for them. It needs to be turned over. It also requires the government to buy and maintain the system, as it does not make money- for a communist government this is less of a problem. They also have a lot of people.

You would have us bankrupted within a month with your citizens army, your national silo system (ie strategic reserves), your call for a constant defence footing awaiting invasion from the north from a phantom menace. And you have the gall to call our governments incompetent?

I guess that's what comes from being a loony.

Bugsy, please! Calling people names is no way to conduct a healthy debate or cast an honest opinion. There's way too many insults thrown around on this forum, which is why I tend to browse and not comment these days.

Gibo, I'm a little curious to know why you give a darn about starving to death in the first place? At the end of all life, there is death. The best we can hope for is that we die peacefully in our sleep, but be it old age related or being hit by a bus and dying in agony, death will surely visit you. Starvation is simply another way nature takes it's course. But, back to business.

Yes, some farmers are going broke, but those who choose to remain on the land, even though they can no longer produce for the markets, have one advantage. They (usually) come form a farming background and have learned to 'make do.' They don't like to throw stuff away, but fix it instead (think tie wire). 30 years ago, all the farms I visited had a veggie plot out back. Farmers I know today still have those little plots, veggies lovingly grown by a whole new generation who learned the art from their parents. Those will continue even when the farmer can't produce for the general markets. They have the knowhow, so won't starve and that's what we have to do, just as Cuba did when Russia left them without viable oil supplies.

While you have the time to learn how to live without supermarkets, do so and ASAP. The age of peak oil is very close. And BD, I do hope your little plot is a long way from the city, but even if not, at least you've done the right thing if you want to have the chance of a long life. To all of you I say.... Live long and simply!
Aime.

Dear Bugsy.. beloved for the sake of Christ (even though irritating at times.... well this is a cross we are called to bear).. believe it or not.

I don't tell you EVerything about my living situation now do I?

So, please don't draw conclusions without knowing the facts.

Annnnd..those names? well 2b honest they are unneccessary.

I can't really comment on the logistics of a huge grain silo thingy, but I do agree in principle with the idea of saving a strategic food reserve, but don't know what form that should take. The quickest way to get a plague of mice would be to have lots of grain sitting around.

How about dugouts in our back yards and lots of tinned food ?

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...

What a bunch of Chicken Littles you are, to be sure.

Maybe it is the religious version of Schadenfreude, where you rejoice in the misfortunes attendant on living on this planet, smugly believing that there is another life waiting for you on the other side.

Peak oil, global warming (er... sorry, climate change), mass starvation -where will it all end?

Meanwhile, by any measure, and despite the onset of a recession in some major economies, the world has never been richer, or more able to feed, clothe and house its inhabitants.

But I guess that finding out about all the disasters on that big plasma screen makes it all seem so much more... real, somehow?

Ah, blessed irony.

Did anyone see that little article in the Daily Telegraph, Sydney today (6/5/08) with the title...
Taking a Punch: Building a More Resilient Australia.
Its only a snippet... I expect the full report will come up soon. What it shows is that Im not the only one thinking national survival. We simply arent ready for what the future is going to bring.
I love those emergency services guys... but really all they are is "keystone (cops) emergency services" guys thanks to lack of insight on the part of government.
They just havent the gear or the management for massive upheavals.

Defence is also third world because they live under the fantasy of the USA nuclear umbrella.
We didnt build for an invader all that much because we relied on the mighty USA... and it could fall if it gets too cocky.
God brings down the proud and the corrupt. China and Russia are always speaking about the USA I believe.

Aimie...Im not holding that against Bugsy. Because I think Bible all of the time, they all think Im a bit different.
Because I follow prophecies from The Lord it makes it a bit more "different" for the intellectually-inclined mind.
My heart is for the people though.
And we do need good national defences and emergency services prep.

Think fuel drought Yabby. Thats going to be the killer later on that will diminish grain supplies.

If it costs billions and billions to do citizens home guard defence force and national silo systems at least we cared for our own!
I hate all of this rubbish about economies and finances and money movements and big corps and banks and the begging that goes on towards China.
Its not moral to be so distracted as not to care for Australians and their future safety in the bad times.
The Burma cyclone...maybe tens of thousands dead. Who was ready? We're no more prepared.

Err Gibo, not only do we in WA have 15 million tonnes of grain storage, we have 150 years worth of gas, which in fact could
power our vehicles if we chose.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2230825.htm

Not only that, but now solar energy is being developed, no more
expensive then coal

http://www.sunrgi.com/media.html

To back all that up, we can grow huge canola crops and power our
own farm vehicles if we wish. Some farmers are already doing it.
All very simple technology too.

So relax, put your feet up, no need to panic Gibo.

Pericles is correct, the sky is not about to fall, especially not
in Western Australia.

Let me know if you want 50 tonnes of wheat for you and the family.
We could drop it off on your lawn :) Thats enough for 100'000
loaves of bread, so you should not starve anytime soon.

Needed a laugh, what a Hoot! Thanks Gibo et al.

Store up at least a few weeks’ worth of supplies. We in north Queensland are advised to do this every wet season in the event of a big cyclone that cuts power and roads for several weeks.

Grow your own food. But as Belly says, be ready for it to be raided into non-existence if times get really hard.

Learn how to fish and hunt efficiently. Know the bush tucker and edible garden plant and weed species in your area. Know what insects (or invertebrates in general) you can add to the evening meal.

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I don’t think that you are a serious loony Gibo. A bit of a looper certainly. But then OLO, and debate on our future, needs a few loopers! (:>)

BD come settle old mate if you get hungry I can give you every citrus that grows apples pears plums nuts and more.
Pumpkin and spuds? plenty from a half acre block no water just recycled tank used water.
Fuel? yep chook poo nothing else, but then Even now I get late night running visitors stealing what I would give freely.
If food was short? they would eat you mate! hedge? not a chance it would stop them.
Now back to Gibo he has no trouble defending himself BD and puts himself out there with weird not Representative of CHRISTIANITY statements.
Are you two prepared to debate the issue ? start a thread I will come my past lost years as a Christian shout at me Gibo drive more away from Christ than he brings
Regards bring a big bag if you every get hungry but stay out of my still bushy larder months and months of food there and its not going away.

Hi Ludwig.
I might help with a few revelations on an invader to the northern part of Australia if you want?
Its not a "now" thing that it might happen...but a future thing.
Maybe a decade or so away.
Im at visions_gib@aapt.net.au

So what's the difference between a loony and a looper? And what useful function do they serve here other than light relief?

A loony (short for lunatic) is an ‘insane person’, or one of half a dozen similar definitions http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lunatic,

A looper is ‘a person or thing that loops something or forms loops’.

So, someone who loops ideas or statements back upon ideas or statements that were drawn from the original ideas or statements, thus falsely supporting, asserting or confirming said ideas or statements is a bloomin loooper (:>/

It is quite possible for loopers to be essentially sane and to have much good stuff to offer on this forum. In fact, I’d say there are mobs of looopers on OLO!

Of course, there are also a few…just a few… totally sane and rational people, without a hint of loopyness….such as those most logical, knowledgeable, astute and articulate of all OLO posters….um…..Ludwig and CJ!

Is Gibo a looper? I’m dunno but he’s put up a sensible general thread here, with some good questions posed. So I guess he’s not a complete crackpot.

So um, yeah, down to the subject of this thread….

Gibo, what are your “revelations on an invader to the northern part of Australia”?

Cane toad stew? They are actually good tucker you know!

“Its not a "now" thing that it might happen...but a future thing.
Maybe a decade or so away.”

I think that we should be carefully considering self-sufficiency now. I reckon that the energy crunch is very likely to be severe….way beyond most peoples’ worst-case scenario, to the point where fuel becomes severely rationed or unavailable or supply lines get cut for long periods, and society basically implodes.

Well Ludwig.
Back in 1989 I started collecting visions and prophecies to the christian churches that appeared to be coming from The Lord about the sins of the Australian people and God one day allowing an invader as a Judgment.
Over the next few years I gathered in about 14 or so visions and prophecies that show more than half of the nation under asian soldiers.
These revelations started coming in the mid-1970's not to the bigger churches but to mainly small pastors, male and female, here and there all over Australia.
Some eventually ended up in book form like Pastor Jack Burrells "WHAT WILL BECOME OF AUSTRALIA" 1975 which showed the invader as far south as Byron Bay NSW and North West Cape WA.
Others showed a sea of people flooding back south into southern states, an amphibian landing at 80 Mile beach WA, a land battle in southern QLD, on and on they go.
I collected so many that I eventually clearly looked at the situation... and moved south out of QLD back into NSW.
For a look at the worlds final great army click on kings of the east. China dont build for nothing.
There could be hundreds of revelations out there amongst the christian churches...I simply wasnt equiped to collect them all.
And if you dont like it...Im sorry but I cant help you.
The revelations are there...they dont go away because we dont like to hear about them.
The mighty USA appears not be coming to our assistance at that time.

Oow sh!t, Gibo I took a punt that you were on about cane toads, when you were actually talking about the yellow peril!

Yep, I got that one like totally wrong {;~(

Now, this revelation business about Asian invasion is very interesting. I gotta say; I completely don’t understand the notion of collecting visions, prophecies or revelations. But I do agree that there have been fears and predictions about northern invasion since at least the advent of the Brisbane Line in WWII.

I don’t think it takes a divine revelation to indicate that Asian invasion is something that we need to be very mindful of. I’m inclined to agree that Australia will probably end up being overrun by Asian peoples, and that the European cum multicultural occupation of this continent will in the long term be seen as a brief episode in between two very long occupations; aboriginal and ?Chinese.

So, what do we do about it?

Would it help or hinder the chances of invasion if we opened up northern Australia and turned it into the biggest food-bowl that we could, accompanied by the biggest population that it could support? Would that reduce the chances of invasion or would it simply make us look a whole more inviting? Afterall, we’d only be able to boost our population by a few million, which would still be piddlingly small compared to Indonesia’s 300+ million and China’s 1200-odd.

Yep, I also agree that, for all the bad things about the mighty US of A, we need to keep right in their good books, as a vital part of our defence strategy.

So Gibo, are there any revelations out there to indicate just how long the absurdity of continuous expansionism will continue in Australia and just when we might actually start collectively demanding that population growth and increasing resource consumption and pressure on our environment STOP, and we actually move towards genuine sustainability??

Ludwig: << Of course, there are also a few…just a few… totally sane and rational people, without a hint of loopyness….such as those most logical, knowledgeable, astute and articulate of all OLO posters….um…..Ludwig and CJ! >>

Indeed, Ludwig - it's nice being in such good company too :P

I like the definition of 'looper' too.

However, on the basis of Gibo's most recent revelations and prophecies, do you still reckon he's a looper rather than a loony?

Maybe we could agree that he's "loopy"... or at least most of his comments are.

That's it, sat down with my morning coffee, opened my email, checked this thread ... gagged, coughed, spluttered and got wet (with hot coffee).

It's gona be that type of day, I have had the vision!

That was interesting Yabby.
It must be difficult to covert diesel tractors to use gas though?
I would still like to see an organised national silo system for bad times. Current grain stocks may not remain at such high levels.
Im still looking to a major (future) fuel drought based on a great increase in natural disasters and the growing number of conflicts and even larger wars...and of course inept governments.
Ludwig.
We have known for quite some years that Indonesia wants the land north of Townsville for their "SOUTH IRIAN" (Ive seen a copy of the map marked such they had in Indonesian classrooms for years) and I have two testimonies that China refers to us as NEW CHINA or NEW SOUTH CHINA...but we continued NOT to build defences. The only way to lessen the impact of the enemy is through defence...not to rely on the US nuclear umbrella but to build. One way is to build a citizens army so the asians cant readily target it...have it scattered across the nation.
Loopy...maybe.
I keep going back to the visions and prophecies of an invader because its what I do...out on that far branch of Christianity.
I do it because the revelations exist! and many of the prophets have passed on to be with The Lord and someone needs to keep the news of those revelations alive for the sake of the nation.

Actually...all of the revelations were send by The Lord as a warning about sin: and what the country will go through if the people fail to repent of their sins and turn back to Jesus Christ at an individual level...become born again (John 3:3).
All the revelations are to encourage Christian revival.
The military bit I do is because I cant stand our 3rd world preparations for the future.
I heard theyve backed the old Brisbane line down to around Newcastle NSW...already giving way to a future invasion.
You guys up north ought to do your own prep. I dont think Defence in Canberra cares too much about you. Though Im open to being wrong?

On the other hand Gibo, perhaps you and other so called prophets,
might just be suffering from a bit of schizophrenia or similar,
its quite common.

CJ, I reckon Gibo is in a class of his own. Perhaps we should call him a looner – an exquisite mix of loonyness and looperism!

But this is good ……………… isn't it!? ( :>#

It is nice that OLO can have entertainment value and not just be a droll discussion board for depressing subjects.

Gibo, think that Indonesia considers all of Australia to be South Irian. I’m intrigued now – I’ve just done a bit of a web-search and found nothing at all on South Irian.

Can I go back to the question in my previous post; “are there any revelations out there to indicate just how long the absurdity of continuous expansionism will continue…”

It seems to me that Christianity pretty profoundly misses the point on this issue and the need to reach a sustainable existence. The old adage; ‘go forth and multiply and subdue the earth’ seems as entrenched as ever in Christian doctrine.

If there was a sign that Christianity was concerned about this stuff, it could help us greatly in dealing with our ominous future prospects. But I’m afraid that I see Christianity, and other religions, as being part of the problem, in effectively just going along with the constant increase in the humanisation of the planet.

So I guess you don’t have any prophecies or revelations that suggest that humanity is going to head in the right direction before it is forced to do so by a major resource demand and supply schism and all the ugliness of hording and fighting that will accompany it.

Do you have the opposite revelations? Ones that show a major upheaval with loss of life for hundreds of millions and a loss of quality of life for hundreds of millions more?

Well, what do you young chaps know of what goes on in the pentecostal christian churches?
What do you know of the things of God when the Holy Spirit gets moving when born again christians gather in prayer?
Have any of you been to an on-fire pentecostal christian meeting when the Holy Spirit falls upon the congregation?
Probably not.
Prophecies and visions about the future are common especially amongst the quieter smaller groups of pastors and believers...away from the big time of the big churches.
If revelations have been coming for 30years of an invader why not listen to them? I did...and travel far with them.
All I know is that each one of you is going to live long enough to see it.
You will have Her Majesty's Pleasure in being able to defend your country.
You will either fight for Australia...or you will eat rice.
Im going. This thread went a bit skew whiff with all of the mockery.
Dont forget TWO WEEKS etc food in the cupboard.
It helps Australia if you all do initial prep for the years ahead.
I left my e-mail address if you want to know more.

Sorry Gibo. No offence intended. It was just my warped attempt to inject a bit of humour. I’m a bit raw at it, but I’m getting a little tired of the dry discussions on this forum. I wanted to add a light-hearted element to it all. Sorry again that I did it at your expense.

I would sincerely like to continue our discussion, even if it has drifted away from the topic of this thread.

Your views are interesting. And I’m not going to hold your strong Christian faith against you. Quite the opposite – I respect it.

In my last post I was a bit critical of Christianity. But I think that is fine within this healthy OLO debating arena. I would be very pleased if you would respond. Thanks

Thats ok Ludwig.
Im tired and short tempered a bit these days. Ive been writing on the invader since 1989.
Ive been all over the world on the subject of prophecies on enemy soldiers-down-under.
Even the other day I sent the story of how I collected the visions and prophecies to the members of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. The revelations are an insight into what might happen in the Bibles endtimes.
Ive got prophecies from the christian churches that go back to 1975 about land battles on Australian soil, paratroopers coming down out of the clouds, floods of people moving south, towns ablaze, half of the land taken by the enemy and a communist style government in the south, beach landings, and all of it looks like China.
And no USA to help Australia at least in the initial landing months. We stand alone.
Only the very old and the very young escape conscription. Law and order so out of control that police are shooting people.
Its a mess.
Click on stormharvest david kriss. Look for kriss' prophecy about Indonesia. I dont think it will be Indonesia, though I couldnt guarantee they wouldnt have a poke at us if they get the chance.
Im very into improved national defence because where it all comes to mean something!... is where the refugees are out on the road.
I know the invasion is a Judgment on the nation for its sin if the people fail to repent of that sin... but I cant help feeling for the walkers on the long walk south.
Improved defence might ease their load a bit.
Ever seen "Red Dawn" with Patrick Swayze?
Highschool teenagers fighting an enemy with bolt action rifles and bows and arrows. Thats Australia today in 2008. Defence is pathetic!
Im not the only one into these visions and prophecies, theres at least two other christian guys out there doing similar. Some christians truly believe an invasion will occur...I say most likely it will happen later on.

Gibo

Just a quick question.

Have you read the John Marsden series of books, "The Tomorrow Series"?

Thank you

Never, ever read them Fractelle. Thats the truth before God.
Looked it up though on Wikipedia, just to please you:)
Jesus Christ had His visions and prophecies to the christian churches of enemy soldiers on Australian soil long, long before the author of the Tomorrow series had his stories.
The Lord sends revelations about the future...authors just do stories based on what pleases them.
If youre looking for an argument, Im not in it.

Gibo

No, I am not looking to argue with you. Just because I do not believe in religion; that does not mean I can't ask you a question. I am upset that you would assume I am seeking to argue with you.

I asked because the theme of the Tomorrow Series is about Australia being invaded from the north. That's all.

Another question:

Do you read anything that is not about religion?

If youre trying to suggest Ive pinched themes or read some somewhere, and taken them as my own, whether I realised it or not, Fractelle... you will find I havent.
All of the revelations are genuine given by The Lord to born again christians over many years.
The theme of Australia being invaded in novels isnt original by- the- way.
It, I believe, goes back a few years probably to the 60's.
I know my material and none of it is made up. I gathered it in from other born againers who had received the prophecies or the visions and recorded it.
None of the material is mine.
Ive never had a vision or a "Word from God" on an invader.
I read sometimes.
I dont read Australian stuff, none of it, and I dont watch OZ movies, so Ive picked up nothing in that area

Gibo

While I did not ask of you read Australian books or watched Australian films, I am amazed to find that you don't.

My original question was whether you read any non-religious books.

Of course the theme of invasion of Australia is hardly original, although the John Marsden books are excellent young adult books.

You talk a lot about defending Australia, yet don't appear interested in its culture. Which makes me wonder how much you understand about the world in which we live.

I like a John Grisham etc Fractelle. But dont read at length.
No, I dont read much on Australia.
I know her history and I see the current news.
What else is there in secular stuff?
Much of the people in the media, and in history, are or have been, scrambling for power and to have their names uplifted.
Its the same here now as in the USA and old England.
The Queen and the Royal family are always a highlight though.
You need to understand, when you become a born again christian you changed camps.
You come out of the world and that old dragon and into Jesus... and the Holy Bible. Suddenly you know the Holy Bible is the truth.
The Holy Spirit Convicts you.
After the wonderful born again experience, when you turn your life over to Christ in prayer, your focus is on Him.
HE's alive!
Its the way it is for christians.
All of the media stuff becomes just that...stuff.
You pick up the Holy Bible and all of the other works throughout the centuries fade away.
The ponderings of men, the theories of men, the novels of men and women, the talk of men and women...oh! they are so not there anymore:)
That, Fractelle, is the huge Glorious power of Gods Word.

Gibo, have you set a rough use-by date on these prophecies?

So when the time comes, and passes, and the yellow peril you speak of hasn't invaded, is there a date where you'll accept that this prophetic nonsense is claptrap?

Or, is it a prophecy that you can just keep recycling as each day passes?

How long, Gibo?

*waves at Ludwig* :)

mate.. you go at it.. criticize and mock if you like.. I for one welcome it. Of course for the likes of Gibo and Runner, KatieO and myself and others of an evangelical persuasion, there is an element of sadness that you mob don't 'get' it yet, but we pray on :)

By all means have fun at our expense.. Loopy..loony.. bozo.. etc.. it's all good.

If you asked each of us named above, I'm sure you would get some different answers on the issue of prophecies and the stuff Gibo is speaking of, but clearly to me at least his heart is in the right place and I love him in the Lord.

Fractelle..I'll give that Marsden thing a go..
done..checked out his writing style.. from the reviews.. looks pretty good. Time time time :)...

Aime.. I'm right on the EDGE of surburbia.
BELLY..thanx cobber.. would love to partake of your abudnance some time.
My oranges are splitting at the moment.. moan...

cheers all

‘Due to the zeal of the new Islamic state order over Indonesia, and because of the great outcry from Australia over human rights, the Indonesian Military will invade Australia, firstly at Darwin, then Perth and later the Eastern states. This attack will be in utter secrecy. They will attack with great force and overwhelm the western culture. They will burn much of the infrastructure to the ground.’ (David Kriss http://www.telusplanet.net/public/tsgibson/various.pdf)

Very interesting Gibo. I share your concerns about our national defence and security. And I find it difficult to reconcile with my very strong belief that we need to remain as a small population and live well within the capacity of this harsh continent to support us.

“I know the invasion is a Judgment on the nation for its sin if the people fail to repent of that sin…”

I can’t agree with this statement though. Invasion of Aboriginal Australia did not imply that the Aborigines were sinful and deserved it, did it? Invasion of European/multicultural Australia would not indicate that we were sinful, or more sinful than the invaders, would it?

Ludwig: << Invasion of Aboriginal Australia did not imply that the Aborigines were sinful and deserved it, did it? >>

Ah, Ludwig - you clearly haven't been reading enough of the gibberish that Gibo has been posting for our amusement. Gibo has previously asserted that Aborigines brought invasion and colonisation on themselves, due to their Satan-inspired heathen beliefs.

In due course, Australia will be invaded by the wicked Orientals from the north, all because we didn't pay sufficient heed to the babblings of Gibo and his ilk.

All we can do is REPENT NOW, or lie back and think of England (especially the Queen).

TRTL.
TIMES, TIMES, TIMES...oh, they all wants to know about times!
I suspect the end of the decade in the region could be interesting...BUT...in truth I cant give dates...though I can give an era.
The Lord Doesnt do dates and the prophecies dont, not generally.

All Jesus ever said of the last days/endtimes was watch and be ready! Have a peek at Luke chapter 21 and Matthew chapter 24.

*That era will be the era of the antichrist (the Beast).
The last seven years of history prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
When we see the last Hitler, probably out of Europe (again)...as charismatic as any dictator ever was... with a mark/microchip for either the right hand or forehead economy (Revelation 13:16-18)... THAT is the era of the asian invader.
For the last seven years of society he is to rule over the whole world.
His mark will travel the globe and no one buys or sells without out it... YET...if you want to live with God you wont take it, will you? Revelation 14:9-11 says all who take it align themselves with satan and will fry.
At the end of that short, so short seven year era...China marches outwards as the kings of the east.
Where Amercia is I dont know?
She's asleep today, in her decadence and ungodliness; and God may Allow them to get a thumping from China and Russia.
Look at A.C.Valdez's 1929 vision but you will need a strong stomach. Its what I consdier R-rated horror...but is there along with others.
If anything happens to the USA, we stand alone at least for sometime. Indonesia may just make her move south in such a situation with no USA.
And if you think all of the "antichrist/last seven year" era is a million years off...sorry people.
The mark/microchip is being used already here and there.
Shortly will appear the antichrist himself to claim the world for a season.

If you are worried about the Holy Bibles endtimes...dont.
As one of my more colloquial pastors says, "its only God getting peoples attention".
And thats it.
Its about God pulling up mankind and pointing to His Saviour, Jesus Christ.
In fear? Jesus is always there.
Giving your life to Him is a wonderful freedom from fear.

Comrade Gibo with respect, in my miss spent youth it was my Comrades the communists who would invade us on behalf of the evil one.
Before that the Japanese, then followed some Muslim fundamentalists intent on taking our north first into a wider fundamentalist nation.
China now and without doubt others will be feared in the future.
I of course am no mans comrade call many brother but am aware my membership of the ALP see,s you think of me in those terms.
Just a short question, did God who made us all truly make all those who follow other religions just to taunt us then burn them in hell?
BD fair go bloke Gibo asks for it too much water or not enough splits oranges sorry first mandarins are gone to every kid in town.
4 more trees yet to ripen , you would never go hungry here
Reality check Gibo , any chance at all China gone bad may take the middle east oil first?

Im not picking on you Belly.
I really have trouble stomaching Labor though.
I keep going back to the "Labor/communism thing" because as a committed christian I know the spirit world... and there is no way that those spirits who set up communism will ever let go of "Labor directions" until they are finished and God has terminated the battle on earth between Himself and satan.
Until that day demons powers will manipulate what they started out to manipulate, re-shaping what ground they lost to God, as He overthrew Russian communism.
Today in 2008 we see satan re-shaping that lost ground, by drawing Labor over towards Chinese communism, trying to get the two linked up thus bringing that "communism thing" back into Australian society.
As Pro Hart said before he died, "Communism isnt dead".
He knew what was happening because he too was a born-again christian and knew what the demons were up to.
As for China chasing the middle east oil. You betcha.
They will have plans to grab it once they and Russia figure out how to deal with the USA.
The great outward march of 'the kings of the east' involves a march across asia towards Israel and Armageddon...and maybe a bit of a march south into Australasia.
Prophecies to the christians here in Australia suggest that there will be a southern movement on towards Australia.
A wise man, and his satellite surveillance systems, will never take his eyes off China and Russia.
I really wish the USA was more alert than it is.

Gibo,

I have said before how I take exception to the cruel taunts you encounter. I notice that you didn't respond to my post on an exorcism at:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1660&page=13

Did you see it? I acknowledge that it is open to different interpretations but believe that you would nevertheless like it.

Sorry MJPB.
I didnt see your comment. Yes it was an intersting story.
Can I be frank?
Committed christians see the transexual and the homosexual as demon oppressed, sometimes with a spirit living inside them and encouraging ungodly sexual behaviour.
Sometimes they will hear the demon speak and ask for permission to live inside.
If this permission is given its extremely hard to get the thing out.

Committed exorcists are usually men and women of God, strong Bible believers with knowledge of demon powers...i.e. they have had contact with them and know they are real.
Satan has to bow at the name of Jesus...thats why we cast them out in His Name.
Jesus Christ has authority over them (everything in the spirit war on earth is about authorities...sin being the reason satan can get authority in the sinner).
Im not surprised "John" got clean of the transexual demon and went on the live a normal life.
He would also have had to make a commitment to repenting of the transexual behaviour lest the demon returned.
Demon powers are known to have sex with men and women.
See inccubus demon on wikipedia and succubus also.
You might read Genesis chapter 6. Here we see the sons of God (angels fallen) coming down and having sex with earth girls; the result being giants (that "giants" may be in the original King James version rather than more modern references).

Gibo, you’re on fire. Lots of interesting stuff. Good to see.

But can I ask you to respond to my questions of 10 May?

‘Invasion of Aboriginal Australia did not imply that the Aborigines were sinful and deserved it, did it? Invasion of European/multicultural Australia would not indicate that we were sinful, or more sinful than the invaders, would it?’

Thanks.

Yes, Lugwig.
Im sorry, when I get a bit tired I tend to let things lapse.
One of the weaknesses of this site, for me, is that there are too many lollies in the shop.
I find myself typing on so much that I forget sometimes where Ive been, thus neglecting the odd writer here and there who responds.
About the aborgines being invaded.
I dont really see it as an invasion.
God's into preaching His Word to very nation, culture and tribe and He has set up His Great plan here on earth that all men come to Jesus Christ and His Shed Blood for the forgiveness of sin...so that God doesnt Judge us later on after death, which He says He will if we have no Blood Covering. There is no forgiveness of sins without the Shedding of Blood.
The white Englishman came out to Australia with Gods Word...and that Word was not just as a rule book and guide to Jesus Christ for the white man, but as door openner to God for the native Australians who were, by the way, into some pretty heavy occult.
They were outside of Gods Plan and He really wanted them to hear the Good News and get incorporated into that Good News...i.e get saved through the preaching of Jesus His Son and become born again (John 3:3)..."you have to be born again to enter Heaven".
The nation was founded on the Holy Bible.
It came with the clergy who came with the first fleet and with the admistrators and the convicts.
For Australia to have been so Blessed by God, and we are a very rich nation in many ways, and to turn back to the sin that is described in The Holy Bible... is a slap in the face for The Lord.
As in the Old Testament if we turn away from God and His Word we can expect what the children of Israel got...invasion from their neighbours...if God so Allows it.
He might just give the country over to those many Australians despise.

Fascinating Gibo.

For a culture that was of no threat to any other and which had lived in harmony with its environment for many thousands of years to have been invaded and destroyed, was surely one of the greatest sins of humanity. Surely basic principles of Christianity tell us that.

Some “Englishmen” may have come to Australia with god’s word and good intentions of converting the Aborigines to a better way of living, but the vast majority were not in the slightest bit interested in that, and just wanted them out of the way, whether by murder or displacement into the deserts.

I don’t think Europeanised Australia was founded on god’s word at all. That’s got to be a furphy if ever there was one. The history of this country has been wildly outside of Christian doctrine, surely.

Oh uh, now hold on. If you consider the core message of Christianity to be to ‘go forth and multiply and subdue the earth’, and everything else that this religion preaches to amount to doing this in a way that is not completely heathenous or barbaric, and to be reasonably nice to each other within the faith while you’re doing it…then maybe I can understand.

So maybe the hidden message in Christianity, or in god’s plan, is to have humanity cause an event that will revitalize the Earth, by way of overpopulating, changing the climate by unleashing all that stored carbon in fossil deposits, changing ecological factors and causing massive extinctions… thus opening up a huge new dynamic phase of the evolution of life…..sort of like the event that killed the dinosaurs, and indeed many others in throughout the history of the planet.

Maybe god just likes energetic stuff happening on this planet and gets a bit bored when things settle down too much. Maybe god is the ultimate antisustainabilityist!

Gibo re: aborigines

Would you at all concede that God may have provided an opportunity for aborigines to get closer by allowing some bad things?

By comparison the Spanish conquered South America out of greed and it ironically opened the door to Christianity. However in South America, had the Spanish not come along, most of the locals would have had their ancestors wiped out by the Aztecs who the Spanish wiped out. The Aztecs believed continual blood sacrifice was required to keep the sun going. The rate of body count accumulation was phenomenal for the comparatively small populations of the day. Ludwig would probably describe it as "unsustainable". They hunted down other humans in their country for sacrifice - something like the movie Apocalyto portrayed. In a sense it was a win win for the current South Americans. Their ancestors were preserved and they got Christianity.

Things weren't like that for Australia. The locals ancestors were merrily going through life hunting kangaroos, snakes, lizards, and cats and snacking on berries, grains and witchety grubs when the First Fleet arrived later resulting in a bunch of ex-convicts travelling out and slaughtering them like animals. Christianity also came and gave them the opportunity to discover God but there was plenty of bad preceding the good. It is one thing to see the positive but surely that doesn't require ignoring the negative irrespective of what you consider more important?

The way you are putting it sounds a little rosy considering the history. Ludwig is getting antagonised by the way you fail to acknowledge anything but the spiritual dimension. I'm hoping to find a slight communication glitch that can be resolved. It is admirable to have your sight set firmly on the Lord but could be counterproductive if you ignore your peripheral vision. I believe that Ludwig is getting a negative view of Christianity and it makes it harder for him to listen to positives in that situation.

Ludwig,

In all the theological perspective that Gibo put forward I believe he didn't get around to actually answering your questions even if he got your attention and talked around the issues. He appeared to answer the question "Can anything positive about European invasion be salvaged?" As a Christian he answers that question strongly in the affirmative because of the introduction of Christianity.

‘Invasion of Aboriginal Australia did not imply that the Aborigines were sinful and deserved it, did it?"

The Christian view is that we are all sinful and we wouldn't believe that Aborigines deserved it in a negative sense. Hopefully you are not so antagonised that you can't place Gibo's silver lining regarding the opportunity to discover Christianity in that context.

"Invasion of European/multicultural Australia would not indicate that we were sinful, or more sinful than the invaders, would it?’

It may indicate that we are sinful given the Old Testament stories but we already know we are sinful because everyone is. If it was analogous to the Old Testament stories we would have to have got particularly sinful and have started off Christian. I know you disagree with the premise that Australia used to be basically Christian. However, if those premises were accepted, assuming an Old Testament like situation it does not indicate that we are more sinful than our invaders.

I don’t feel antagonised mjpb. I just want to explore Gibo’s views in a polite or at least neutral manner. No more rather silly attempts to inject humour from me on this thread. When I said “Fascinating Gibo”, it was not supposed to imply anything other than a genuinely held strong interest in what he has to say.

But yes, I’ve got to agree that the impression I’m getting of Christianity here is not too crash hot…. so far.

Ludwig.
Im still saying that Australia wasnt invaded. Im sticking with that against all odds.
We had those who discovered the land and went back and told the Crown; and they sent out others to explore further.
Whilst the Crown would be looking at the wealth and ownership side of things to a degree, I think it was far from their minds to say, "we will go there and expunge all who resist us until we dominate and grab the lot".

They werent, I believe in any way, what I would call invaders.
Lots of bad things happened to the aborigines subsequently but I am sure that this wasnt the heart of the English at the time.
Bring out heaps of convicts into that original vision of exploring a new land... and situations can get altered and an indigenous people can suffer.
The real core of New Testament faith is..." If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved"...Romans 10:9.
This is the preaching of Jesus Christ as Saviour, Him dying on the Cross for our sins. This is the Message the clergy brought with them and did in fact preach it to many aborigines.
The second core is "Go into all of the world and preach the Gospel to every living creature"...Mark 16:15.
In doing the first they did the second.
Replenish the earth happened at the start of the Old Testament.
The focus of the New Testament is on Christ and what He has done. Theres no hidden message in The Word.
Its all up front and open.
You confess the sin and invite Jesus into your life as your Lord and Saviour and your saved from the Final Judgment. Its not complex.

MJPB.
Cant say I know the mind of God all that much when it comes to the aborigines; specifically.
Like all indigenous folks, and all of the rest of us others too, He wants them (us all) with Christ...born again.
What we have is the Bible and The Holy Spirit as our Guide.
I know He does test people (possibly peoples).
But through it all we have to remember that "God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all"...1 John 1:5.
He doesnt do things to cultures without a plan.
I know quite a few aborigines who have come to Jesus; and they are so truly astute about the spirit world because they came to Christ out of the dark side of that spirit world.
There is also a limit to the trials, tests of life, to the temptations.(1 Corinthians 10:13)even for cultures...and God does provide a way out of them. Mostly that involves submitting to Him.
Which doesnt kill any one of us, not really, not if we go to Jesus.
Failing to acknowledge the spirit realm is not on for christians.
The eye needs to be clearly focused on The Lord, peripherals too, because He does the feeding of our lives.
Theres a vast spirit war going on earth, started by Lucifer and his desire to sit where God Sits. It must have created much upheaval for it too have extended to so much suffering even here on earth. A Kingdom under much threat of collapse.
The rebellion is one big "Star Wars" that took a 1/3 of the angels into the fallen state as God kicked them out of Heaven. Then comes the challenge by satan to God involving Adam and Eve and not eating the fruit they were told not to eat.
Sadly they did eat and mankind fell and satan had access to the species.
Death came, sickness, suffering, oppression by evil spirits as some cultures dabbled in the occult practices.
Until God decides to end the thing on earth that war between Him and satan will continue over the souls of men.

Thanks to all who participated.
Remember: two weeks food in the pantry might just one day come very handy.
Some tarps, a good first aid kit and a first aid book also wouldnt hurt.
Temporarily patching a roof without tarps can be difficult.