West, you are free to claim that your time is worth whatever you
like, the same with your house. You need neither work, nor
sell your house. The thing is, if you want somebody else to actually
pay you for your time, its their opinion what you are worth, the
same if you want to sell your house.

"All AWA's can achieve is to make crime pay."
They can also help to make for efficient use of labour, which
benefits everyone, including workers/ consumers, our society.
That means we can pay our bills to the world, which we can't
right now. Crime is for those who are too selfish or lazy
to make a contribution to our society and pay their way in the
world. Best to just lock
them up, as we have in the past.

Think about who employers actually are. They are in the end
shareholders and who are the mightiest shareholders in this
country? Why workers of course, with their 1 trillion$ in
super investments. Look up the shareholders index of just about
any large corp, its super funds that dominate, all workers
who are the owners.

So what you are saying yabby are that Australians are worthless and employers seek to exploit Australians motivated by mindless greed.
Already you have demonstrated AWA's create an 'Us and Them' mentality , Employers are villified for their exploitation of Australia and Australians are degraded as not worth a decent wage and condition for their labour , they are only slaves who should be devoted to making the greedy rich. I dont understand what you have got against the Australian people, they are not machines and do not deserve AWA's. Parts of the U.S are extremely rich but much of America has poverty at levels and types only seen in the under developed world.Peasant superstition or drug addiction is the only escape.women have to turn to prostitution to pay the rent. Thats the world AWA's create, it benifits an extreme minority at the expense to a nation.

Rhetoric, rhetoric and more rhetoric...

If AWA's create an 'us' and 'them' mentality, then imagine what a collective bargaining system and a unionised workplace create..

No West, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that consumers
ultimately decide the value of what you do, its them that pull their
wallets out and vote for the product/services, which the company
that you work for, produces. The company is simply the middleman,
onmarketing your labour to the consumer, in one form or another.

Yes, the company aims to make a profit, for risking capital and
for its efforts. Its owners, most of the time other workers who
have a super fund, want a return on their invested capital. If
you happen to spend alot of time picking your nose at work for
instance, that is going to cost somebody, either the consumer, or
the workers that you work for. The CEO is simply the head worker.
He is not risking his savings here, just investing time, much like
you do.

AWAs don't have to be divisive at all. Show the company that you work
for how your labour can earn them larger profits and they will have
every incentive to pay you more. If you happen to be innovative
and can show your innovative company how it can earn millions,
from something that consumers actually want to buy, it is in their
interest to pay a clever chap like you millions. Yup, they employ
you to make a profit, not to pick your nose. So what? You happen
to work to make a profit for your labour too, you are no different.

Safety nets for those people who can't sell their labour, are part
of our system. Please don't compare us to America, we are quite
different

Some of us are fortunate, if employers refuse to carry some of the cost we can simply take our skills off shore. Most Australians can not. I have never calculated cost in financial terms alone in deciding to assist an employer. What you yabbie and national conservative are not considering is that an employer is renting assistance from people to acheive wealth which cannot be acheived alone. It is not a right of an employer to employ. Most people have no choice but to participate in the labour Market. Wether we like it or not most labour is forced. It is because labour is forced that the market is corrupted in favour of the employer. This IR system is no different to cartel price fixing. Shock and Horror National_Conservative this IR system is the most communist system we have had as it is a government busting unions to support one controlling union , the employers federation.

Technically, the price of labor is the lowest reward needed to have
the worker performing its service the following day ,

" the price of living in its surrounding in a sustainable manner "

This whole discution flip back and forth between the vision of
australians as producers and consumers , the interests of one being
exactly the antithesis of the other !
as for australia and exports ,
well we export low added value production stuff and
import hight added value consumtion stuff .

wich is a balance of trade disaster .

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