Whitty,

While this doesn't address your larger concerns, can I suggest you put your specific complaints about the maternity class in writing to the birthing centre/hospital/whatever it the place calls itself.

Any organisation is required to take feedback seriously. Your comments really could made a difference to the next guy

Col ~ "oh I am cool, just peeing on the peones."

No you didn't, Mr Elitist. 'Peones' being the *hit kickers, eh?. You had a hissy when someone had a giggle that actually really wasn't directed at you. It was more directed at the topic, at your expense. It's called humour. Google it.

Whitty. I don't believe Metro....gag....sexu....gag....ality had/has sod all to do with its origins being even remotely related homosexuals, their nice duds and a coupla fella's originally using that as an effective predatory technique in scoring roots.

Quote you;

"I think Metrosexual's came about originally by a few guys being successful by dressing closer to how gay guys are more likely to dress. Some women found them possibly less threatening until their true sexuality was revealed..."

Was that before GBH was discovered?.

Seriously though, Metro's (IMO) are than likely the male counterpart of the corporate single female with designer undies and truckloads of money. Ya gonna HAVE to scrub up to keep up with that.

Evidence;

http://men.style.com/gq

StG,

I meant less threatening in the sense the females were happier to converse and such without being defensive and expecting to be propositioned. i.e. The guy is probably gay, so I can have an innocent chat to him with no pressure of any courtship rituals until I feel a bit more comfortable in his company, after which she finds out he might not be gay after all.

Co. Rouge -

Good grief! How old are you? Your "technique" sounds like the plot-line from one of those terrible 60's movies.

Here's another tip: - if you find someone you consider beddable ask her if she feels the same way. If she does you're both happy. If she doesn't then you can stop wasting time for both of you and move on to the next lucky "gal". No muss, no fuss. No b.s.

StG “No you didn't, Mr Elitist. . . . You had a hissy”

No hissy here.

You are just trying to punch above your weight class.

Romany “if you find someone you consider beddable ask her if she feels the same way. If she does you're both happy. If she doesn't then you can stop wasting time for both of you and move on to the next lucky "gal". No muss, no fuss. No b.s.”

Sound advise Romany.

However, since I took up internet dating, I have not bothered to ask anyone. I simply filtered the incoming invitations and relied on those who thought of me as “beddable”, to considerable effect.

That way I was sure of not wasting my time.

As for technique

if it ain’t broken, why replace it?

Stg “Was that before GBH was discovered?.”

I am not sure how you got to bed anyone but whilst “GBH” might have worked for you and the Kray twins, the desperados these days rely on “GHB”.

I thought a Metrosexual was someone who had done it on public transport (in which case there must be alot of them to explain why it smells so bad).

Whitty:

"I just don't think the ends justifies the means, and I'm damn sure the government wouldn't dare to do it to women. It basically says if a man has a small penis, he should be more ashamed than a guy who put's peoples lives at risk on the road."

The advert has been heralded as quite a success - evidently, it is having an effect on young men.

That effect, includes reduced speeding deaths.

Doesn't saving lives trump issues of insecurity?

I agree with the part about women however, but overall, I see this advert as targeting hoons, not young men.

Young men who don't behave like hoons obviously have no need to feel offended. As for the hoons, to hell with them. If they feel emasculated, well, poor diddums. I don't give a damn. If they're really the tough men they think they are, they'll just shrug it off anyway.

As for young males being hated by society, quite frankly, I think that regardless of any perception, as a demographic, young males are blessed and have it the best of anyone.