BUGSY... John 3:36... get yourself on the right side of that equation and you can then pick on me :)

Its so easy to pick verses..I do it myself. But make sure that the verses you pick, are not in conflict with the example of Jesus.
Remember the righteous anger in the Temple ? I spose he was just 'looking at specks in other eyes' ? Or.. perhaps he was the only one qualified by his perfect life to do such a thing, in which case, it makes me wonder why you are not more closely allied to him in heart.

PERICLES.. my quote was 'from' the article. What I'm reacting to, and rather 'hysterically' is the incredible insult to our intelligence that the likes of these leftard jouno's come up with when the make these kinds of sweeping statements about Iraq based on very shabby information, which appears to be deliberately skewed to produce a pre-determined result.

Steel seems to have swallowed it hook, line, sinker AND fisherman...

500,000 children ? and then he dangles this 'just try to comprehend'...before our (hopefully) wide gazing (glazed) eyes.
As I said.... most of those problems about which the women expressed unhappiness are not caused by the Allies but by the terrorists/nationalists who themselves are partisan/sectarian and doing most of the killing.

INFRASTRUCTURE ? who blows it up?

PERSONAL SECURITY ? Who comes along in death squads looking for a Shia or a Sunni depending on which brand of death squad is coming.

Of COURSE things are bad, but not even 'mainly' due to the Allies.

Christian charity? come off the grass.. this is robust debate and when 'drivel' is dispensed, drivel it is called. It does irritate me when everything bad, most of which is caused by Iraqis and outsiders like Al Qaeda not to mention Iranian covert ops... is allll blamed on 'Bush and the USA'....

Its so transparent, obvious, blatant and stark that I feel very insulted to think I'm expected to throw common sense out the window and just drink it in.....

Democracy is the best system to promote people's rights, human rights, women rights. In Iraq, USA used their guns to demolish Saddam's dictatorship and create a democratic system. We have two similar surveys undertaken by the same organization in 2004 and one in late 2007. What did we found from these similar surveys?
1. in 2004 90.6% were optimistic about the future, in late 2007 ONLY 26.9% optimistic about the situation in Iraq. Why Iraqi women become so pessimistic? What changed from 2004 to 2007?
63.9% said violence against them had increased, 76.2% said girls in their family were not allowed to attend school. Iraq's new draft constitution, which has yet to be approved by parliament, contains an article under which family law would be replaced with a new system determined according to the religion. Iraqi democracy is slippering to Iran's kind of democracy. Under Saddam regime the women had some rights, in new Iraqi democracy 76.2% said girls in their family were not allowed to attend school! Do you understand what it means? How different is the Iraqi democracy from Iran Democracy? We will see it very clear when Americans leave Iraq. I think next year. I understand very well Iraqi women's worries. Do you? Sharia law is coming thanks to Bush!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

"Democracy is the best system to promote people's rights, human rights, women rights."

So women are not human, nor people? And human's are not people?

Next time stick with human rights, and drop the women crap. It's less complicated, less discriminatory and it includes ALL human beings, not one sub class. This is how it works:

- Men are beaten, women are raped = human rights violated in country X.

See how it works? This is how society currently works (unintentionally due to indoctrination or not):

- Women are raped = women's rights violated

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Take a look at this graph produced in 2005, representing 2 years of conflict:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41319000/gif/_41319877_civilian_victims4_pie203.gif

Your topic "National Crisis for Iraq Women"

Now what percentage of men's lives have been ended in Iraq as shown in that graph?

81.7% EIGHTY ONE PERCENT

Now how many women's lives have been ended in that conflict?

8.7% .....eight measly percent...i think it's obvious who are the REAL victims in this war. Just imagine if the statistics were reversed: The endless flood of feminist crap streaming into our published and televised media...

And you Symenokis have the AUDACITY to whine about the hardship women have faced.

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As for David_BOAZ, you are uninformed on the subject. While you state the sanctions were bad, you also seem to dispute the culpability of those who imposed the sanctions (despite the obvious choice in applying them and Albright's words). And you apparently don't register the sheer amount of death caused by western, christian nations implementing these sanctions.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

"The summer of 2001 saw a revival of long-discredited claims that sanctions are not to blame for Iraq's suffering"

...and they persist years later.

Steel,
while I disagree with you about the women's rights I agree with you about the death of 500.000 innocent Iraqi children. This was a crime against humanity but as you know ONLY the losers are criminals! The International Criminal Court give us a hope but not every one respect and recognize it.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide