One more bit.. specially for CJ Morgan.. err CJ.. was it your partner who wrote this? I sure hope so :) its good to see someone with the name 'Morgan' on my side for a change.

http://jos.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/38/1/25

"Whether or not a person is recognized as a hate crime victim in US statutes has been shown to be heavily influenced by the strength of social movements based on politicized identities." Jo Morgan.

'strength of social movements.... politicized identities'.

Vanilla.. seriously.. you don't understand me.

The terminology you use 'God hates fags' and suggesting I have it somehow jotted down special.. is very far from the mark.

The Bible is very clear on how certain 'behaviors' are viewed.. a Man laying with a man as with a women, is just one of a number.
The bible is equally firm on incest, and bestiality, and adultery.

The quote above, about the strength of social movements, is what determines public opinion and its re-shaping. If there was a "Paedophiles are ok" mob out there brave enough to campaign ... and 'out' high profile identities they know have been fooling around with 'underage children' you can bet your last dollar that the Government would be scrambling to relevancy and revising legislation... (maybe thats a bit of a leap :)

But ask them about Child abuse or Domestic violence in the Quran? or.. even raise the subjects here..and look what happens. (to me).. according to Pericles I'm 'inciting hate'....

BIBLICAL TEACHING ON HOMOSEXUALS (for the record)

1/ God loves all of mankind. (Including homosexuals)
2/ God gives man till his last breath to align his/her heart and life with the Creators will.
3/ People who exit this life out of step with Him, will have a rather serious discussion about that fact when they meet Him.

BIBLICAL TEACHING ON HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR.
Leviticus_18
Romans_1
1Corinthians_6

I believe Boaz that the harder the humanist try and silence God's people the louder they will become. Look how silly the Victorian Government looked after charging 2 Pastors for speaking the truth about Islam. The fruits of secular humanism is being clearly seen (immorality, drug usage, drunkeness, homosexuality etc etc.
It could well be God allowing His people to choose between God's wisdom and man's foolishness. Where Christians are persecuted in places like China the church as never been stronger. Maybe we need a purging and refining to bring proud arrogant men to Christ in this nation. God used harsh foolish leaders o refine Israel. Maybe it is our turn.

Amen Runner.

The sooner brothers and sisters realize that the rather horrific events recorded in Acts could be reality for us if we are not vigilant, and use the democratic process to protect freedom; the better!

Anyone who thinks the gay lobby would stop at 'violent' hate crime legislation only, is deluded. "verbal" hate crime is already in place regarding 'race or religion'... its just a matter of time before 'sexual orientation' is included.

The perinicous RRT2001 is the thin edge of the wedge. It would take only ONE minor addition to turn it into an Orwellian nightmare.

"Vilification is a public behaviour that incites hatred against, serious contempt for or revulsion or severe ridicule of another person or group of people because of race or religion."

Add "or sexual orientation" to that..and bingo.. '1984'.

You see.... Justice Higgins, simply did not understand the Christian mindset, and wrongly interpreted 'laughter' in a purely secular sense of 'mocking' based on ill will, rather than 'a group of people seeing the funny side of something due to irony, self contradiction or whatever'.

Section 9 of the RRT is the most evil and unbalanced:

9. Motive and dominant ground irrelevant
(1) In determining whether a person has contravened
section 7 or 8, the person's motive in engaging in
any conduct is irrelevant.

How the HELL is 'motive' not relevant?(x100)

Motive IS relevant in cases of killing!

Killing with intent=Murder
Killing by accident=Manslaughter.

This section is present in my view to place a huge chunk of 2 x 4 into the hands of people wishing to attack others

Boazy's hysteria about the American legislation is clearly caused by his fear that similar legislation might be drafted here. That might curtail the activities of people like him who get their jollies out of whipping up hatred and violence against people whose beliefs, ethnicity or sexual orientation they don't like.

Wouldn't that be terrible?

While I don't agree with any legislation that prevents people from saying what they think, there must be legal means available to members of minority groups to seek redress against those whose utterances or acts incite harm against them. People should be allowed to say what they think, but should also be held to account for their hateful ideas and acts.

Boaz, once again, with the greatest respect, you have failed to answer a direct and simple question with a direct and simple answer.

>>...would you please quote verbatim from that Bill, and tell us exactly what it is that you disagree with?<<

As I predicted, you chose to answer an entirely different question. Which - since this is your thread, and you introduced the topic by referring to this specific piece of pending legislation in the US - is a pretty poor performance, wouldn't you agree?

Your understanding of how the world works outside your extremely narrow field of vision is sadly limited, as we all know, but that does not excuse your misuse of the English language in order to make a point.

"How the HELL is 'motive' not relevant?(x100)
Motive IS relevant in cases of killing!
Killing with intent=Murder
Killing by accident=Manslaughter."

"Intent" and "accident" are not motives, I'm afraid, they describe circumstances. Motive is far more personal.

motive n. An emotion, desire, physiological need, or similar impulse that acts as an incitement to action

What the legislation is pointing out to you is that if your whack-a-mozzie tendencies cause damage to your targetted victim, claiming that your motives were pure and Christian is not going to be an adequate defence.

If you incite mob violence against homosexuals, for example, or inflame a band of white-supremacy thugs to do your dirty work for you, arguing that the Bible allows it won't be a protection in law.

Seems eminently reasonable to me.

"Boaz I am sure people have told you this before but people dont choose to be gay."

It would be good to see some proof to back up this statement. I understand that a very small percentage of the world's population - around 1% - is homosexual because of biological defects, and the other 17% claiming to be homosexuals are perverts or people who have serious psycological problems.

As for 'hate crime' legislation, it would automatically ban the Koran if the legislators were serious.