you bet!

this is real nostalgia, for the first ever smh i read was covering a crooked nsw government in some detail. that one was libs, but tweedledum, tweedledee.

when government can be done in secret, it will be crooked.

a measure of the character of australians is the fatalistic acceptance that there is nothing to be done about it. that is why parliamentary rule debases the people, for they truly have no means to extract competent and honest management of public affairs from the politician's guild.

it doesn't have to be like that. a movement like "getup", but directed toward (adult) democracy rather than (adolescent) protest can extract from the bandit's guild laws establishing citizen initiative, direct election, and open administration of public affairs.

a measure of the character of australians is their unwillingness to even begin action of this nature. when you are raised on your knees, getting to your feet is a scary business.

that is another reason parliamentary rule debases the people: it turns them into a race of serfs, forelock-tuggers imprisoned in their own ignorance and fear.

it doesn't have to be like that. the pollies truly are 'paper-tigers'. if the people stand up, pollies will immediately transmute into docile clerks and administrators, and government "of the people", when "by the people", will finally be "for the people".

what are you waiting for?

DEMOS

I believe problem is that society as a whole is a lot more corrupt. Not many really care if the Government are corrupt because they reflect community values. Look at the WA State Labour Government. Judges probably head the list (remember Lionel Murphy). Minister after minister in WA have been removed due to links with Brian Bourke and Julian Grill. Which State Labour party can really claim any immunity? Unfortunately the Libs are not much better if at all. Though I would never had voted for One Nation Pauline Hanson though naive had more integrity than many of our State Politicians. It is time for people to wake up to the fact that private philosophy DOES affect and determine public performance. Only those in denial can't see this. Most people seem to vote along political lines rather than the personal integrity of the candidates.

DEMOS you do indeed graze in a different paddock than most of us.
Your quest for a different type of government is a lone one and bound to fail.
People power in this country is always going to be the way it is not expressed on election day.
The government of NSW is beyond belief, my party my government, have let me down our state and our party.
Climbing under the bed and rolling up into a ball will not bring me comfort.
I am ashamed of them, and it may not be the last reason to be so .
However can we look at the other side? the conservatives?
In truth I truly thought they had at last picked a leader, one who could reform his party.
Not that he can not do it but no sign of it yet, in fact if an election was called tomorrow Labor might just still win!
Given we have the system we will live with in place only a blood bath in Labors ranks or true reform of conservatives can restore this states direction.
We are in need of a leader in NSW any one any side who can lead.

no, belly, we are in need of some ordinary would-be citizens with sufficient brains, education, and self respect.

you're right, i'm not even john the baptist, much less tom paine. but after watching murder done by people in my uniform, i resolved to do what i could to promote democracy, as the best preventative of future occurrences. i bore myself, as well as ozzie readers, but it doesn't take much effort to inform young people that they do not live in a democracy, that they could, and that it would be well worth their while to strive for it.

you are beyond hope. too old, too ignorant, and totally in thrall to the received wisdom of your parliamentary masters. i wish i could say that oz will outgrow your subservience to the master class, but there is a recurrence of government repression tending toward dictatorship that appeared during the howard regime. it may be the stronger tendency in a society like oz, with no grasp of democracy.

We need civil disobedience to bring this Govt to it's knees.They are beyond,shame and redemption.Their noses are firmly intrenched in the trough and they will just go for it over the next 3.5 yrs.NSW will become the rust belt as more chaos and corruption ensues.

We need some serious street demonstrations,letters of protest,refuse to service Govt Depts by private contractors,if possible.Can anyone else think of a way we can cut off their supply of money?

Many in our media can orchestrate this.I'd like to see the Telegraph put their grandstanding posturing into action and organise a day of civil disobedience.Shut the state down in protest and call for the resignation of the entire Iemma Govt.Ask Kevin Rudd to put in an administrator in with the power to sack bureaucrats.

There is a huge corruption scandal engulfing the Iemma Government.

Morris Iemma pledged to reform Laws governing political donations -
including introducing possible bans on donations by property developers - in the wake of the Wollongong sex-for development affair.

Developer donations to the NSW Government totalled $13,180,793 between 1998 - 2007. While developers gave the Liberal Party $8.2 million over the same period.

Mr Iemma said, "Change needs to happen," and promised it would occur well before the end of the year...

I agree with Arjay. It's time the PM stepped in and appointed a Royal Commission - to clean up this mess. Because it's not going to get any better...

DEMOS I regard your insult as a badge of honor read my post I a member of the ALP highlight the fact it is useless in this thread and others.
So bound to ,my bosses is that the best you can do?
What country do you come from DEMOS? did that killing and murder take place in the streets or was it war?
Just asking no intent to insult.
You agree I may be right, in the fact that my country is not looking for another form of government.
And let me tell you my state NSW needs a far better opposition team, maybe only that will put us back on track.
Let us start with a new leader and 6 new cabinet ministers now is not too soon.
Foxy sadly the constitution may not let Rudd get involved but.
My posting history will prove I do not follow a my party right or wrong path, it is time for change in NSW

Dear Belly,

I don't know that much about Morris Iemma. I'm not from NSW.
But I do have a great deal of confidence in our new Government.
Surely they will do something about what's happening in NSW.
At least - ask for an explanation from Mr Iemma - or put the pressure on him in some other way. This way Iemma's Government gives the Party a bad name, and that's not a good thing. The opposition will have a field day at the next election.

Foxy I do not truly think Rudd can in law at least get involved he like me would know it is three years till the next NSW election.
This states leader was hidden away during the federal election , unwanted unseen.
Unfortunately my view he would come out head chopping after it has proved wrong.
Have no doubts behind the scenes he has been told , but is he fairdinkum? is he a weak leader who can not control his team?
Or is he as bad as a few?
In any event unless he acts this week or next he kills his party.
It is an unhappy fact, gee so sad but so true,his opposition is almost non existent, in truth we need a change of government to remind my party accountability has meaning.
If this man uses the Axe right now, and if he is unable to he leaves right now, as strange as it looks Labor could hold office after the next election.
Far more than the ICAC issue needs to see the light of day child welfare seems to be run by idiots for a start.
Some very high profile members are in the last days of life as politicians , that has to be good for this state.

Dave here what has opened the eyes I have been saying that the NSW Governments have been corrupt for years but nobody wanted to listen & ridiculed me for saying so but when a State Dept can take a man's child allow that child to be locked away from his parents & this has gone on now for nearly 11years & the lies perjury & collusion that has taken place even to the extent of me sitting in the Attorney General's Library 500Klms away from the place I was said to be & then the Court basically saying if it wasn't that day it must have been another
God Bless & may your Lord shine on you all
Dave

I feel research on the activities of Joe Tripodi would reveal some unsavoury connections. I assume these connections are logged somewhere and if so they should be aired. Iemma deserves a better calibre of politician on his front bench.

SILLE if Joe is not gone he should be.
Just maybe he will have mates who will go with him.
My eyes are on Morris, is he the man do under the damage done by his neglect? we will know in a week.

Definately the Government is corrupt. They have set up the administrative process to function in a manner that is corrupt and that covers everything up. If anybody tries to expose their corrupt practices, those who speak out are the ones who pay the price.

It scares me how so many people will accept corrupt behaviour and cover ups. It scares me because the ones who always suffer the most are always the children.

Education - Keeping them Honest
http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/education/
Our children deserve beteter

Demos,
Of course the Government is corrupt and so was the previous ones, both state and federal. e.g. dispite the fact that it has been shown that high immigration has little or no benefit to us. They persist with high immigration because big business and developers want it and give substantial donations to the major parties. High immigration garantees increased sale of consumer goods without busnesses competing with each other.

If Government was actually for peoples benefit they would introduce Citizen Initated Refenda to give us a say about something we did not like. If we had CIR we probasbly would not have sent troops to Iraq.

Dave here hope all who read are well yes Jolanda that is right the ones that suffer are the children & that's exactly what has happened with my son funny my son's name is Zeus which means justice & equality for all it's a pity that some justice has not been afforded to him For 11years I have fought to reunite my son with his parents but DoCS have denied this no matter what is placed before them The very parents who rared my wife & now former partner are the ones who have my son Their other daughter had my son at the lake with a drug dealer while my wife & I were being refused access by her parents My wife & former partner was diagnosed with a mental illness from childhood but DoCS thinks it is right then to give them my child to have the chance to put another child through hell so the cycle goes on & now a woman will end up with having to deal with the same mental problems that I have had to deal with & be stressed to the point of insanity as I have
May your lord shine on you all well but child abuse must stop
God bless
Dave

Iemma's government corruption stems from two problems:

*GST:

The Rudd government is finished before it starts governing or encounters serious problems. Why? Because it has just increased the immgration intake by at least 6000 above already conflated levels. ALL IN THE NAME OF extra GST revenues. 10% of everything some 300,000 (inc 457 workers) and now more, immigrants arriving each year, give 10% of everything they spend to Rudd and Co. Rudd's a fraud, he couldn't give a toss about social inclusion or social cohesion as long as the GST rolls in. Rudd has shown clear INTENT and will stack as many immigrants into Sydney, Melbourne, Gold coast and Perth as he can without any qualms about congestion, crime, gridlock, social upheaval, injustice or corruption. And you still won't be able to get a plumber or electrician's skills when you need them. Rudd's recent bid for the soccer world cup, sidling up to Frank Lowy, was to my mind a deliberate ploy to let Iemma out of jail over corruption inquiries. It is basically saying that giving absolute power to successful immigrants and foreign interests is good for us when it is in fact tantamount to a bloodless coup, a silent invasion. The GAME is not soccer it is about Federal POWER. And that POWER is based on GST revenue. It is not about DEMOCRACY or 'fair-go'. This makes the upcoming 2020summit a farce as every extra immigrant just by their voracious Carbon footprint will ensure Australia is doomed to be a desert nation perhaps within as soon as a decade. Also, the chances of an imminent increase in GST% under Rudd are very high. Watch for it!

continuing..

Continued..

* Immigration:

40% of NSW people were born overseas and are hungry for power and profit. In my travels I note that a substantial number have zero loyalty to Australia and have been shoehorned into politics and public service positions. Iemma was elected by a gerrymander from immigration. Even with the 30% approval rating of Iemma's gvernment, this undemocratic ethnic machinery (principally Italian judging by the names of the scandalled developers and a majority of Iemmas cabinet) would reelect him if an election were held today. I do not believe the last NSWstate election was democratic at all. The ethnic gerrymander falls between the cracks of the electoral commission which itself is stacked with foreign interest groups.

If Australians want to remain in a DEMOCRACY, they have to stand up to abolish GST and cut immigration. They have to boot Labor out of government at the next Federal election and send a message to Liberals that GST and its dependent immigration policies is destroying the lives of decent, loyal, taxpaying Australians by allowing a silent invasion from significant foreign interests to thrive and succeed.

We all hope that the recent letting-off-the-hook off Iemma's government is just an ICAC ploy to give them rope to hang themselves.

We HOPE!

Dave here again What is the sense of the ICAC when it delivers a decision that DoCS in my sons case is Maladministration or inappropriate association & DoCS Ministers & Directors-General just ignore this decision & continue on thier merry way The main people have all been notified so this becomes corruption as the cover up has got to be going on at the top level & the only one hurt is the long term welfare as the ones today that are causing this abuse will be dead & gone while my son & possible family have to put up with the consecquences of this abuse so the generations go on To argue that what they're doing is not abuse is ridiculious as we have the stories of the Bringing Them Home Report Through Young Black Eyes & The Senate Committee Report so this is a deliberate act to destroy & abuse an innocent child who loved his parents
Once again may your Lord shine on you all well
God Bless from Dave

all i can say is the corruption has been happening for years

look at the senate reports into the forgotten australians and the vulnerable children in institutional care the state goverment has been covering this up for far too long as i said in other post the goverment is protecting their own and are not wanting to tell the truth of what happend to us forgotten australians when we were raped and abused by the very people who were to look after us as children

the goverment on both sides need to tell the truth and stop sweeping us victims under the carpet

its alright for the goverment bodies to get their bribes and freebies

what about us forgotten australian victims we just keep getting raped everyday by those in power

as they have no balls or guts to stand up and tell the truth of what we suffered

get of your ass you gutless politicians and stand up for the forgotten australians as their maybe one day some one close to you all will be in the same story then you would know what it really feels like to be a victim

also sent every polly an email and they are just throwning mine in the bin because its the truth and they are still covering up what happend to us victims the forgotten australians

half the goverment is on the take why the others sit back and let them and watch what is going on shame n s w

is australia now going down the path of an illegal goverment as they are only acting on issues that they think is for their better and not that of us the public

such as us forgotten australians we need the goverment to come clean about what we suffered and justice be given to the victims

this is real and i am a real victim of the goverments cover up

the forgotten australians we are alive and still fighting and we want acknowledgement for what we suffered by the goverment of australia and that of new south wales

regards huffnpuff

Reportedly 20 Labor MP's joined the protest against the sell-off/ non sell-off of the electricity system.

How these 20 vote will be a good indication of their integrity or lack of.

The grubby Gibson/Nori/Koperberg/Kaiser saga says it all really.

I'm curious to see whether the Empire builder gets defrocked?

Just note Orange Hospital.This info is freely available in Qld but is censored in NSW.Undergruond car park is too low for ambulances to enter hence dead bodies have to pass via live patients.Doorways too small for beds and wheelchairs to pass through thus patients have to be physically carried through some doorways.Operating rooms too small for patients Drs and equipment.PA system can only be accessed by janitors.
This is the farce of our public administration.Iemma tried to blame the builders but NSW health provided the specifications and signed off under contract conditions and paid for the debacle for which they specified.

This state is totally dysfunctional and no one gives a stuff.