I heard from many migrants who came in Adelaide 50-55 years before that when they arrived here most Adelaide suburbs was farms. In high degree migrants developed, live and pay the Taxes for this land. In some suburbs the non Anglo Saxon background residents or owners from the land are more than 65%. If you read the names from the streets of these suburbs you will find names of British villages you can not find on the maps or names of persons who was unknown even to their neighbors but you can not find the names ATHENS, ROME, BEGGING, MECCA or MOSCOW. You can not find the names Pericles, Julius Kaiser or Dostoevsky. Why do local authorities ignore the contribution of non Anglo Saxon background people in their suburbs?
If you walk around these suburbs, you will find that migrants senior's needs are ignored totally. Why? If in the future you read that City Counselor Antonios Symeonakis (it is very easy to become counselor) try to rename a main road to Hra or .. Mohamed Rd, you will know that I try to turn people's interests on senior's migrants problems.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear Antonios,

You made me curious, so I flipped open the Melway's Greater Melbourne Street Directory - to see what kind of street names Melbourne had.
I began with "A." And names came up like:

Athena, Athenaeum, Athens, Augustine, Aumann, then onto - Balaclava,
Balaka, Balkan, Ballina, Baratta, Barcelona, Belgrave, Bella Vista,
Beethoven, Bermuda, Brunswick, Bremen, then onto Cadiz, Calais, Calcutta, Caledonia, California, Cambria, Campaspe, Canada, Cannes, Caribbean, Carmen, Chavasse, Cyprus, Culzean, Cyril, Dakar, De Felice, Degas, De Havilland, Doncaster, and the list went on...every letter had a wide range of different nationalities in their name selections for streets ...

I can't speak for Adelaide street names - but have you been to
"Hahndorf?" which is a quaint village (population 2,000 - 28km. East
Adelaide), which is reminiscent of its German ancestry.

I think with the naming of streets - the Council does have certain guide-lines - which you can obtain from the local council chambers.
But I assume that you'd have to show some connection to the area - as to why the Council should consider the name you're suggesting.

As far as looking after the elderly. Most migrant communities have their own organisations that take care of their own. Conditions in
Australia, regarding pensions, and medicare - are supposed to be among the best in the world. I know my mother has no complaints.

ASymeonakis,
Just wondering how many streets are named after us in ME would you know?

I think the fact our children in our own country do not say the lords prayer anymore at school which goes along way to show how 'too' at times tolerant we really are.

Would you mind asking the people you know in other countries if they would in return stop saying and reading the Koran in their schools please because it may effect or even offend any English kids living in their country.

Look ASymeonakis, there is enough trouble in the world without you trying to stir the pot even more.

On another thread we invited you to discuss any sensible ideas you had to improve living in Australia better for migrants especially in the first years.

You did not email us and your aware we work with Muslims Leaders Aboriginal Leaders and god Old Fashioned Aussies oh and a few poms.Cant forget the Poms.

Its a matter of record the conditions migrants lived in years ago
ASymeonakis. The lived in these tiny little tin shed that were shaped like a chook pen.

Funny little bull nose roofs. No AirCon No instillation and oh what happy lovely people who never complained they were.

I know because my family used to visit these camps every weekend.
They were so grateful for any little thing someone did for them and they NEVER expected the dole legal air special this and that.
Just just wanted to work. Work they did and many of the went on to be household names in this lucky country.

The Greeks and The Wogs as we called them growing their veggie markets farms and opening their own food stores and veggie stores.

I remember when most of our fruit and veggies we sold to us by the wonder Aussies. And Do you know why they were Aussies right from the start ASymeonakis - Because they wanted to be!

We love our Aussie migrants they are a part of this nation and we are a part of them

Dear Foxy
I went many times in Adelaide City but I never see any non Anglo Saxon, street name. After your notice I checked on the Google map, I did not find. It is very easy for anyone to check it. I checked the street names from my home to my workplace (about 15 minutes by car)I found close to my workplace some names as Tikilara, Camira, Taminga, Wirringa I supposed they are Aborigines names. The truth is that I did not see all this years any street with non Anglo Saxon name but I am not a Taxi driver, may be they exist, I do not know. WHILE I DID NOT SEE ANY STREET WITH NON ANGLO SAXON NAME I SAW THOUSANDS OF MIGRANTS.
Dear People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
You asked me to give you my email address
I do not know who are you
I do not know how to give you my email,I want to avoid to publish it, may be you know a better way.
Last years the community relations have had some problems. Howard's Government was not very friendly to migrants.
The war on terror, in some degree become war against migrants.
The migrants you speak does not exist any more, new migrants know their rights and prefer the respect to their rights than smiles and empty words.
Migrants 40-30 years before was not enough educated, was a small minority and did not know or had the power to claim their rights. Today migrant's situation changed very much. I am sure in the future migrants will prefer to claim their rights than to beg for them. They are proud persons.
I do not know if you agree or not but I think the whole system must reflect and service the Australian current reality. If you have time visit http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/898586b1dc7b4043c1256a450044f331/fff3368f665eaf93c125701400444342/$FILE/G0541073.pdf , UN, Human Rights,
Concluding observations of the Committee on the
Elimination of Racial Discrimination
AUSTRALIA
and read the Concerns and recommendations about migrants
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis,

That is untrue and you know it ASymeonakis. We at no time ever requested your email address. That would be quite rude. I am sorry if you have misunderstood but I thought I was quite clear

What we did do was post 'ours' for you to contact us-if you so wished.
info@livexports.com

please refer to thread and post where you claim we asked for your private email address for the benefit of others. As you made no reply to us regarding some questions re Halal and the Federal Government review of Halal Slaughter we simply took it you were disinterested in general.

WE also posted the link below to fully inform you as to who we are and what we do with a genioun offer to see if we could assist you
Here is the link again-

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

We suggested if you wished to remain unkown you set up a hotmail address -and anyway we supplied OUR email address which is not public.

Migrants many years ago didnt beg. They didnt demand either. They just worked hard and gained our repect.

I am well aware of the attitude of 'some' new age people arriving.

The ones who start demanding lawyers Drs houses special birthday parties arranged trips back and forth and special food.

When you arelucky enough to be invited by this friendly country the Aussie people will drown you with kindness.
Like I told you before the Aussies will give you the shirt off his back- but Dont make the mistake of trying to take it.

I am just wondering what more you want?

ASymeonakis

Ah, Yes I am fimilar with some of the concerns regarding the Government and why they closed ATSIC.
As reads Below from you link>

11. The Committee is concerned about the abolition of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Commission (ATSIC), the main policy-making body in Aboriginal affairs consisting of
elected indigenous representatives. It is concerned that the establishment of a board of appointed
experts to advise the Government on indigenous peoples’ issues, as well as the transfer of most.

ASymeonakis
Yes I can understand that might have angered some. Funny how different things anger different people isnt it.

I recall feeling rather angry myself about concerns around this issue of ATIC funding.
If you really care about Aboriginal people then you would be glad these funds taken out of the hands of people who were tratiors of ther own kind.

What would be your idea of the best ways in which to improve thelifes of our aboriginal people.?

This is something close themy heart. I have often said we ought to be attending our own peoples needs as a number one.

Who's we, trol.....umm, PALE?.

"I am well aware of the attitude of 'some' new age people arriving.

The ones who start demanding lawyers Drs houses special birthday parties arranged trips back and forth and special food." (Quote: PALE&IF).

EXCUSE ME?? Could you provide examples?

PALE...

on the issue of street names. In Malaysia, they went through a phase of re-naming most or many of the old Engish names from the colonial period... but there is one area which still amazes me.. that I thought would have been changed for sure.

"JALAN WESLEY" (Wesley Road) near Chinatown in Kuala Lumpur. There is also a large Methodist education centre nearby..

I often think.. how blessed John Wesley would feel if he knew a road in Malaysia.. was named after him.. But knowing what I do of Wesley from history..he would prefer not to have his own name anywhere.. rather that of his Lord.. Jesus.

TOPIC.. Antonios... regarding the naming of streets.. I guess many of them were named prior to migrants coming?

But whether or not 'some' areas have high non Anglo Saxon populations.. why should that mean they change the cultural flavor in terms of their own ? Why not simply accept that they came to a predominantly Anglo Saxon country..and all that means.. and not want to mess with the street names to make 'them' feel more comfy and 'we' feel less comfy..

The clear 2 sided coin is.."IF" they feel more comfortable with familiar 'old country' street names...then does it not automatically mean 'we' would feel 'less' comfortable with street names from 'other' old countries?

If you start with street names...why not extend it to language? or many other aspects of life. Lets have 'Greek, Italian,Romanian, Russian, Arabic as 'official' languages in Australia to 'recognize the contribution migrants have made'.....and while we are at it..lets also teach the individual histories of each of these language/cultural groups....

don't you see some problems here ?

Boazy: " In Malaysia, they went through a phase of re-naming most or many of the old Engish names from the colonial period... but there is one area which still amazes me.. that I thought would have been changed for sure.

'JALAN WESLEY' (Wesley Road) near Chinatown in Kuala Lumpur. There is also a large Methodist education centre nearby.. "

Would that be the same Malaysia that you frequently deride in this forum as an intolerant, predominantly Muslim society?

As I pointed out in my earlier post - street names in cities already have various european names. As do parks, and other historic places.

Foreign languages have been taught for quite some time. The Victorian Department of Education - runs a Saturday morning program at most high schools - to enable students to study community languages. It enables them to build up extra points towards their HSC, and makes entrance to university easier.

I've just looked up the history of street names in Adealide - out of curiousity. It seems that 63 names for the streets and square of Adelaide were bestowed by a committee on the 23 May 1837. Two months after the first land sales in Adelaide had taken place.

They represent, except in a few cases, founders, friends, and promoters of South Australia. Some of the pioneer/founders had laboured for over 6 years to establish a colony.

If you're interested Antonios, go into the State Library,
they've got some fascinating historical material on the naming of the streets in Adelaide. It may give you a truer perspective of the city's
founders and pioneers.

You know Foxy, I sincerely have admired your posts, but this last one to Antonios is a tad patronizing.

I've lived in Adelaide for over 30 years, and to be honest with you I am not overly concerned about street names; I'm far more preoccupied with the treatment and attitude to different cultures.

I'll be damned! Antonios is right! (MAYBE that falls into attitude).

I decided to get my street directory out after reading your post. We DO live here you know; we do know our own city.

Easily 98% of names are Anglo. I found a minuscule amount that have an Italian name; I am gratified to see a small amount of Aboriginal names.

As I've said, this is not on my 'front burner', but I AM a little surprised that there is negligible acknowledgment of the settlement of non-Anglo cultures in our street names.

Antonios

There are numerous non-Anglo Saxon streets in Adelaide.
Aaron Ave - Hebrew, Abercrombie Ct, Aberfoyle Rd and Aberdeen Ave - Scottish (Celtic). Aberdare Ave - Welsh (Celtic). Antrim St - Irish (Celtic). Abraxas Ct (must be connected to Carlos Santana). Alabama Ave - Native American. Alamein Ave, Amelio Wk, Angelo St, Antonio Ct, Antonas Ave, Arcadia Ave, and that's only some of the 'A's.

Also, there are many suburbs such as Blair Atholl, Campbelltown, Glenelg - all Scottish. Not to mention Greenock, Cleland, and also many derived from Aboriginal names.

Did you mean Adelaide South Australia in your original post?

Dear Ginx,

I did not mean to be patronising in my last post to Antonios. He knows that I admire the work he is doing - and wish him well.

I was merely confirming what another poster had suggested (and I found to be correct) - that perhaps the initial selection of Adelaide street names was done in the early days of settlement.

So I wanted to merely pass this information on to Antonios. As well
as direct him to the resources available at the State Library - (which has so many historical records).

I apologise if I gave the wrong impression - and Thanks for pointing it out to me.

It's posts like that Foxy that make me wish I could post like you. Thank-you.

I mean for areas which was farms when migrants arrived in Adelaide. I mean for areas that developed and have lived mainly by migrants. You know and the migrants known better because we have checked these things, that the non Anglo Saxon people's contribution in Australia is underestimated extremely. The names of the streets is one SOUND example.
About the foreign languages. It is true that the Australian taxpayers pay money for foreign languages but I AM NOT SURE IF THESE MONEY ARE SPENDING TO TEACH THE CHILDREN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE, the whole system about the foreign languages at least in Adelaide is not enough good, or to be honest is STUPID. For example my son plus 15 other children from his primary school who had learned Greek, asked in writing from the primary to sent them in Adelaide High school (Public) to continue the Greek language, they sent them to an other High school, which was farer and first learned German, after changed the language to Chinese.
I was surprised when, few years before, I found that between many developed countries, Australia spend less time for foreign languages.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
It is seemed that we, you and me misunderstand each other. Thank you for your email and everything about Muslims or Aborigines I used to have a plan in my mind, some goals before I start anything. I do not know how and what kind of plan I could create for Muslims or Aborigines, at least at the moment. I am really very busy.
Antonis Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis,

You know it’s really clear you are not happy here in Australia.
Now that said -

You raise the issue of ATSIC having been dismantled and posted the doc of it being rise to UN.
Clearly that was important to you or you would not have raised it.
So we inform you we work with the Muslim Leaders who you claim to support.
We also tell you of projects to help the aboriginal people that you already told us you personally were involved in taking the matter to UN.

Then you would have us believe suddenly you’re more interested in Street names. Huh what happened to your interest in Aboriginals?
Rest assured ASymeonakis, you are excused. I didn’t expect you to answer any other way.

Ginx
Yep No worries - just search the work done by Marilyn Shepard. It’s all there for you.

David Bozie Said >
PALE...

On the issue of street names. In Malaysia, they went through a phase of re-naming most or many of the old English names from the colonial period... but there is one area which still amazes me... that I thought would have been changed for sure.

Pale replies
Some times little buddy you totally confuse me. It’s really disappointing that you post comments that cant be taken any other way but as insulting.

I agree in theory with ‘some of what you say but then you blow it all by making such statements as these.

I think it was a great honor and they are well known for their work with the West

There havebe many sucesful co joint ventures between muslims and Christian churches there to help the poor.

.

"Ginx
Yep No worries - just search the work done by Marilyn Shepard. It’s all there for you." (Quote:PALE&IF)

You mean you got your facts from the posts of another member??

Ginx
No I dont actually. Marilyn is a lady who has done a lot of work with migrants detention centers and apparently worked with Andrew Bartlett.

Her work was and probably still is tireless. I spoke with her at lenghth on a few occassions and was amazed by the waiste of funds going on silly things.
I was even more amazed that she saw nothing wrong with it.

One thing we disagreed with was a womens husband being especially escourted to visit her in a hotel room for a party because he could not be there when she had their third or fourth child.

This involved sercurity gaurds special food and the bill was huge.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=marilyn+shepard+migrants+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU

It's a very small world. I believe I've met Marilyn Shepherd! We certainly have contacts in common.

I will get in touch with her; it might be the appropriate thing to let her know that you have been quoting her...or misquoting her.

You know and I know, that Marilyn Shepherd would NEVER suggest that migrants/refugees would be 'demanding Doctors/Lawyers houses....,etc,etc.

Ginx

Feel free to contact anybody you wish. Her comments are public record.

Our invitations to assist with aboriginal people and her lack of interest are also a matter of record. Her basic dislike for the average hard working Ausies are also.

The misuse of welfare money is a huge worry in this country.
Welfare was supposed to meant for those in real need not for people to come to Australia and demand welfare Drs free accomadation medication that is unvailable to the australian Elderly.

Its outragous. I was listening to a lady who contacted John Laws just before he retired and her friends were forced to sell their home to pay for expensive medication denied them as Australian pensioners but freely handed out to migrants.
Thats so Wrong. These people were trying to save their daughters life but being Aussie didnt matter to the Government.

John Laws was really paying out the Government about it-Good On him.
These parents were very elderly and I cant imagine being forced to sell the family home to get the medication which was around six thousand dollars a month while migrants were freely supplied without any questions would not be the final straw for them.
Australia is a giving country. However we should not treat migrants better than our own.

Discusting!

Dear
People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming.
The question is not if I am happy or not but if I am not happy for the right reasons. It is seemed that you do not understand very well what I say. I think you are not very familiar with modern ideas about humans, human society, in other case you could understand me very well. I am not the only person who is not happy in this country. It is not bad if some is not happy, all people who did not vote Howard was not happy with him and voted for change.
Do not worry for the people who are not happy, because they push our society, our civilization forward. They are the builders, the creators of our future. If you think that everything is OK and we should stay where we are now, you make a huge mistake. NONE CAN BLOCK THE CHANGES WHICH MUST BE DONE. Smart, open mind people had to thanks me because I highlight, I write for things which we can not ignore, I press for things which must be done sooner or later, if we want to avoid future problems.
About the street names, if I travel for 50.000 meters and I can not see any street with non Anglo Saxon name then there is a problem. We call it FULL IGNORANCE OF MIGRANTS CONTRIBUTION IN THIS COUNTRY, but ignoring about the half population of this country is not very good or smart policy.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Have a look around Adelaide’s suburb of Campbelltown, or any other area once (still, in many cases) used for market gardening.

Have a look at the gross migrant monument instigated by a migrant councillor at the corner of Glynburn, Lower North East, and Gorge Roads. It was a total flop, and still hasn’t been paid for because nobody, including the large immigrant population gives a stuff about it.

See all the Politis buildings in the CBD. Get out and look around the outer suburbs.

Elderly care? Plenty of ethnic old people’s homes.

The City of Adelaide had a Chinese Mayor a couple of elections ago.

Have you ever been in Adelaide? Get the chip of your shoulder!

Greece seems to the place where you would be happiest, you whinger.

Have you ever been in Adelaide?
What do you ask me Leigh? Every day I drive many thousands meters on Adelaide streets. The question is if you ever visited Adelaide.
If for a so simple thing I read so many lies what can I expect for more complex and less visible things? Go on the google map and check not only the Adelaide but all suburbs to find the truth. There are some people who ignore or do not care for the truth, these people are a small minority and sure I do not write for them. EVERY ONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THE TRUTH, HE/SHE CAN DO IT WITH ONE CLICK ON THE GOOGLE MAP simple, clear answer.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Leigh,
This picture of Adelaide would have been a huge surprise to the Greek man who was rumored to run it old Theo
He was Greek and pretty much unofficially in charge of most things that happened there.
I met him when I was asked to travel to look at a night club there with more than a few problems. Adelaide was Theo’s town and although he might not have been quite the Sunday school teacher there wasn’t many people who didn’t respect him.

He still ran one of his restaurants personally the six or eight months he spent in Australia. He went back to his beloved Greece each year the rest of the time
There was a person stabbed in the nightclub which was down stairs from his restaurant who died. This apparently was the third stabbing. So old Theo got stuck into the town and contacted the police and told them to close the place down. (I don’t think they would have dared otherwise.)

There are a few people in life that always leave an impression on you. For me Theo was one such a man. He used to drive out every night into the mountain area and get out of the car and stand there looking and talking. It was so cold you’d think you breathe would stop but you dare not move and you would listen in utter fascination as he told his stories. He was hard cold soft warm funny but most t of all wise Greek Australian.
I can assure you this man from Greece would have kicked you up the bum and shown you the road out of town ASymeonakis ( If you were lucky)

PALEIF; it never ceases to amaze me the people you have met and the places you have met them and all the deeply meaningful insights you have gained in these endeavours. They have come in so handy help you make your points on OLO.

It is also pure joy to see you revert to type and drop the veneer of friendliness. So Antonios now needs a 'kick up the bum'? I thought you were planning a penpal discourse with him. Perhaps it is a good thing that you don't have his email address......!
_______________________________

Leigh, you are kinda cute when you start thumping on your chest, and dispensing your usual 'expertise'. My only comfort is that if you are familiar with that neck of the Adelaide woods;.....you are far enough away from me!!

Antonios

I have already pointed out the numerous non-Anglo-Saxon names in and around Adelaide yet you prefer to rave on about seeing only Anglo names for 50 kms.

I hope, next time I get a taxi from the airport, you're not driving. Rave on at me about your pet subject and you'll get no tip.

Do you mean this old Greek man was member of kkk or an other extrem right organization? Only this kind of people could think to kick up me or show to me the road out of town.
We live on 21st century and I can not understand how and why there are people who think and react with your way.
You like an old Greek man who worked hard and never speak or claim any right because he born and grow up in a country under dictator Metaxas's system, no workers rights, no human rights, no women rights, no children , no rights at all, if any spoke for rights next day was in prison. After Greece had war with Italy (Mussolini) after war with Germans, after civil war and after he migrated to Australia. You like the migrants but without rights, you like them as a rushed part of a production machine. You are very angry when they claim their rights and of cause with me. I did not tell to you from begin that when I read your first notice I was sure that your ideas comes strait from the dark ages. You madam ignore very basic things, and it is impossible persons like you to understand or to support migrants, Muslims or Aborigines. Go to human rights commission, UN, to Australia Human Rights Commission, to Amnesty International, read their documents, try to understand and support them, Go to Union movement International and Australian try to understand and support them, go.. go.. learn the basic rules of democracy and respect them, no kick, no out of the city, we have democracy no KKK and after all them start to speak carefully. Every time you right a notice every time you prove how extremely conservative person you are
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

Antonios, I get it now.

You're pulling our legs, aren't you. Couldn't you wait till April 1st?

ASymeonakis,
conservative, Umm Yes I guess I am. Good old fashioned Conserative me Yup, I will nod to that. BTW I like the Queen too, just in case your asking;)

I like to Royals so much we keep up on regular exchanged letters ;)-

http://www.livexports.com/queen.html

http://www.livexports.com/prince.html

ASymeonakis, I left a reply for you but by error I posted it on Foxys thread about Muslims-Sorry about that but you can reply there if thats ok with you.

So you see I am both conservastive and honest enough to admitt I make mistakes. Have you ever made mistakes ASymeonakis,?
You Asked>
"Do you mean this old Greek man was member of kkk or an other extrem right organization?"

Relpy.(smile, close the marfia I believe.)
No he was a migrant Aussie who loved Australia and opended food stores and resturants and employed other Greek People and Aussies alike.
He was a true leaders and would not stand anything unfair towards anybody- unless they deserved it.
He hated racists and loved Australia and all its ways with a bit of gambling and few drinks and lots of Aussie Dinky Die Mates which also contained a lot of not only Greeks but other migrants.

He never did take to the old meat pies at thelocal footy came prefering his Grek dishes so he fed everybody at the games on just that!
He was a man amoung men - and woman. A proud Greek and Australias slave.
He could speak highly enough of the oportunitys Australia had given his family after what they had suffered in the past.

He appreciated everything about Australia and the way the people made his family welcome when they had nothing. He on the other hand didnt expect anything for nothing.
There you have the difference.
I say to you again- Apart from Street names what are your problems that you feel the need to launch another political party and what are YOUR interests regarding aboriginal people and the funding stopped from going through ASTIC- For good reason?!

This A Symeonakis certainly has a chip on his shoulder. He seems to think that we Australians should be making special dispensations for non-Anglo/Celtic/Saxon Johnny come Latelies.

While there was a smattering of different nationalities and races at the time of settlement, this country was colonised and developed by people of British stock as a British dominion. They did all the work, and established institutions.

The people arriving during the 50’s provided labour not available. They also escaped from very unsatisfactory circumstances in the old world.

They should be grateful for that, stop whining, and get over themselves. Current immigrants should shut their mouths and fit in or leave.

What do you say?
Current immigrants should shut their mouths and fit in or leave.

Leigh we live on 21st century, forget the dark ages.
According to the HUMAN RIGHTS OF ALL MIGRANT WORKERS
AND MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILIES,
Article 12
1. Migrant workers and members of their families shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of their choice and freedom either individually or in community with others and in public or private to manifest their religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.
2. Migrant workers and members of their families shall not be subject to coercion that would impair their freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of their choice.

Article 13
1. Migrant workers and members of their families shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Migrant workers and members of their families shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art or through any other media of their choice.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Hello Leigh
I am just wondering whom he is talking to.

ASymeonakis
I am the aboriginal lady that was posting earlier on a few other threads. I heard you were concerned about the Government taking over the funding for ASTIC that was forour people.
I read something you posted about taking it to the UN.
Could you please explain what your concerns were about this step and why?

Leigh that was a nice comment I I saw you post about David I must say.

I think David would have done himself a favour had he listended and learned more about the Australian people AFIC who lead Muslims from pale. I mean it would be a rare oportunity to gain some indise knowledge that could help everybody .
I told them to just stop posting. I left a message for the host of thast thread. I just hate rude people.

Well its well past my bed time Goodnight Leigh and ASymeonakis
I hope to be talking to you again soon.

Dear TarynW
I don not know many thinks about the ASTIC and I did not write anything about it. SURE I SUPPORT ABORIGINES AND I STAND BY THEM 100% but I did not write anything about ASTIC. --I heard you were concerned about the Government taking over the funding for ASTIC that was forour people--
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide