CJ a bit more than the odd coffee and back in the era when Deyo was popular far to many cola drinks.

My recollection is that the Deyo stuff tries to find an explaination for UFO's without aliens. A long time ago so I may have that wrong. Aliens cause lots of theological dilema's for fundies, do they sin, how do they get the message about christ, are they made in Gods image, were they created and if so when? Much neater not to have them but it's risky not to have an alternative explanation.

I'm kind of hoping that Gibo is just seriously mislead rather than evil of heart. I wanted to write a satirical piece but felt to sorry for Gibo for that to sit well.

Gibo if you have not picked up on the science it will help your cause to keep quiet about the flying saucers until you do independant research. It's a con. Sold a lot of books and made for some fame for Deyo for a time but it was not and is not truth. As I suggested in my earlier post talk to some respected teachers who don't teach that stuff.

R0bert

it's not the caffeine folks, but it's absence. My road rage is caused by people stealing the space I was about to occupy; causing me to spill my coffee under heavy braking, drop my phone mid-sentence and knock the end off my ciggie.

Good to see you are well MOrgan

Listen to R0bert Gibo. What reason would he have to lie?

Honestly, your posts on flying saucers seem funny to me at times, but if you're really believing all that, there's an edge there that worries me as well.

For just a brief moment - step outside your view and realise that there have been many different beliefs throughout the ages.
It may seem that Deyo has brought them together, but when you don't actually scrutinise what is being said against things that can be verified, what are you left with?

I know it's tempting to just take recourse back to the bible, but even those with very strong christian beliefs, tend to acknowledge that an element of reason is important as well.

A belief system can't purely exist without making recourse to the world that exists around us.
Whilst I acknowledge that loaded theological issues such creation or the existence of god often lack sufficient scientific knowledge to be able to rule out the work of a deity, there are things in life which man can and has proven through science.
You can't reject reason and science totally, any more than you can reject the existence of the computer you're using to read these posts.

For your own sake Gibo, check in with some pastors at other churches. Listen to what they say about the theories of Deyo.
Science mightn't be able to challenge the bible in the eyes of much of the world, and I guess I can accept that - but the things of which you speak... they're beyond christianity and sound like the words of someone in the grip of a cult, a cult which relies on people not questioning the facts that form its basis.

Also TRTL of course - another beacon of reason at OLO :)

And thanks old 'pal' - glad to see you're well too. I've just come back from a few days camping and trout fishing in some pretty stunning and wild country.

Good for the soul, I reckon - but I confess to actually drinking quite strong coffee in the misty and glimmering mountain dawn before venturing out to catch the 'dawn rise' of the elusive trout.

I don't recall feeling much rage, despite being teased mercilessly by my quarry. But then again, I was in the opposite of traffic :)

CJ Morgan

I'm an admirer of your wit and usually applaud your choice of target! This time though I feel you've overdone the ridicule.

I'm an atheist and like you I'm totally dismissive of Gibo's religious rants, but I'm not so blind as to overlook the odd occasion he might raise a valid concern.

It's obviously drawing too long a bow to blame rage solely onto caffeine, but there is definitely some linkage. It is well documented and worthy of at least some serious discussion!

Good for you Morgan.

I haven't seen the well known Sydney landmark for a while- that old geezer with the cockie on his shoulder holding the sign "UFO's. The Return of Christ" .

Welcome back.