Philo
I'd better not tell you were my thoughts went when you talked about "unfilled men" ;)

I don't really understand why you are so opposed to same sex couples.
What does it matter to YOU what people do in their own bedrooms?

Would your life change dramatically if homosexual people did not exist?

Just going back on the topic, after reading the links and the comments of everybody, are you now convinced that homosexuality and pedophilia are not as connected as you thought they were?

All acts of sex committed by males on young males is a homosexual act. The term refers to an act not a group of people that some in society wish to refer to as gays, another misuse of a term. The article was emotive propaganda put foward by the homosexual lobby group [The Australian Democrats] not clinical research done by an authorised body of clincians interviewing abused young men. The acts committed upon them were homosexual.'Homo' means of the same sex. A sexual act committed by persons of the same gender. That many of them were also heterosexual persons involved does not change the nature of the act of abuse committed on minors. The act was a homosexual pedophile act.

Philo,
I didn’t really expect you to let facts get in the way of your bigotry.
You say: “All acts of sex committed by males on young males is a homosexual act.”
What is your point?
I hope you are not suggesting that child abuse is only commited by homosexual men.
If that was the case, then you should have no objection to what little girls wear.
But more girls are sexually abused than boys.

All acts of sex committed by males on young females (under 16) are also pedophilic acts.
Whether pedophiles prey on young girls or young boys, both are called pedophilia. Both are cases of child sexual abuse.
I remember you saying in another discussion that homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural.

I suppose only articles written by liberals or religious fanatics are in your opinion, unbiased and unemotive.
All I know is that so-called Christians like Exclusive Brethren and Hillsong are quite pally with our Liberal party.

I wonder how unbiased the govt is in making decisions for homosexual people regarding gay marriage etc. I'm sure they are being well rewarded with funding from religious sects/cults like this as long as they do 'the right thing' by those cults.

Here’s an article about homosexuality among animals:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6066606.stm
Perhaps homosexuality is less unnatural than you may believe.
“Curators say a Norwegian exhibition on homosexuality among animals has been well received, despite initial indications of strong opposition.”
And
The museum says it is the first exhibition in the world to touch on a subject that has been taboo in the past.
“It says sex between animals - as between humans - is often a matter of enjoyment, rather than procreation, and that this applies to animals of the same sex as well as opposite sexes.”
And
“ “The museum says one of its aims is to "help to de-mystify homosexuality among people... we hope to reject the all too well known argument that homosexual behaviour is a crime against nature". “

Question remains: “What does it matter to YOU what other people do in their own bedrooms?”

Celivia,
It was you who raised the question of why the link between paedophiles and the acts of homosexuality. It is undeniable that the majority of paedophile acts are committed on young girls by men. Similarly most paedophile acts committed on young boys are also done by men and the nature of that act is homosexual.

What has been done in bedrooms is no secret as it has had great affects on society, the public health system and the National budget. Ever heard of AIDS? You might consider it a personal affair, but it has caused great pain and devistation to families and Nations. What Australian community have been most affected by AIDS? Certainly not the Exclusive Brethren or Hillsong that you want to blame.

Your attempt to justify anal sex among amimals is pathetic, no such behaviour occurrs among males unless they are isolated from females. For 39 years of my life I have worked among breeding animals, and the only acts of two males engaging in simulated sex is when they are isolated from the females.

That two male brolgas attempt to nurture an egg that was not laid by them is no different to many other bird species. In fact some male birds almost exclusively hatch the laid egg while the female searches for food. It is a matter of survival, and at least these birds do procreate and nurture their eggs, unlike some humans who want to destroy the outcome of procreation.

Philo, I have a few wicked things to say to you.

"It was you who raised the question of why the link between pedophiles and the acts of homosexuality."
Hypocrite! On almost any thread about homosexuality, you can be found linking pedophilia and gays.

"It is undeniable that the majority of paedophile acts are committed on young girls by men. Similarly most paedophile acts committed on young boys are also done by men and the nature of that act is homosexual."
Pedophilia is a sexual aberration – many men who have sex with children are not necessarily gay or straight.

"What has been done in bedrooms is no secret as it has had great affects on society, the public health system and the National budget. Ever heard of AIDS?" What about all the other STD’s ? – this is why condoms are so effective. Aids is not just a gay issue, it is another STD that every sexually mature human being must take appropriate precautions against.

"You might consider it a personal affair, but it has caused great pain and devistation to families and Nations. What Australian community have been most affected by AIDS? Certainly not the Exclusive Brethren or Hillsong that you want to blame."
These organisations are guilty of influencing government policy at the expense of all Australian citizens – gay, straight or callithumpian.
They are pursuing a narrow agenda.
Wouldn't you have problems if fringe Muslim groups were doing the same thing?

To be continued

"Your attempt to justify anal sex among amimals is pathetic, no such behaviour occurrs among males unless they are isolated from females. For 39 years of my life I have worked among breeding animals, and the only acts of two males engaging in simulated sex is when they are isolated from the females."

The Norwegian exhibition is the result of extensive expert scientific study, analysis and research, whereas the experience of a right-wing Christian farmer is not only irrelevant due to its built in bias, but completely erroneous.

Plenty of animals with a choice of either sexual partner engage in homosexual behaviour –male with male and female with female simply because it is fun. And animals are free of the sexual hang-ups created by religious zealots.

If you had bothered to do some research you would know this – but then these facts do not fit your narrow world view and must be denied.

"It is a matter of survival, and at least these birds do procreate and nurture their eggs, unlike some humans who want to destroy the outcome of procreation."

The only humans out to destroy procreation are those who would prevent women from controlling their fertility and demanding abstinence for all – apart from themselves – which if one thinks this through to its logical conclusion, is not enough humans to maintain human population.

And some more links for you to ignore - otherwise you might learn something.

"Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates."

National Geographic http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

And good old Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality

And this one addresses your 'erroneous zones' with astounding relevance.
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

Well there is clearly an abundance of thoughtful and considered research on the topic, Philo.