Philo, your comment raises the issue as to whether we should be concerned because someone gets a perverted sexual thrill from our behaviour. Is the fault in us, or them?

I get a bit concerned when people try to ban others taking photos at school sports events because pedophiles might see the photos and get a thrill from them. They might also just hang around school sporting events too!

There is something unhealthy in allowing the observer to determine what we are, rather than accepting that we have a reality which is all our own.

Dear Ludwig.. yes. you are in the minority, and.. do you have shares in DJ ?

C.J. with all your posturing on high moral ground in the Siev X thread, and your condemnation of me, I find your blindness to what is going on here astounding. BUT....

One very VERY disturbing trend I also notice is the close connection between deviate sexual attitudes and Greens (including their leader) and a particular political attitude.

When I went to the Socialist Alliance/Palestine Solidarity demonstration (as an observer) one thing stood out. The SA were using that as a platform to promote gay and lesbian issues ! ie. Deviate sexual practices.

So, we have this curious spectacle of Bob Brown living in a deviate un-natural relationship,calling for Australians to live by "High Principles" yet his own life tells us what he means by such high principles.

I guess then, it should not surprise me that from this same political orientation, there would be those who see no issue in the sexualization of our children. Or..that they simply don't 'see' what is before their eyes.

I note also that Bob Brown was adamant that the flood of XXX rated Porn from the ACT should NEVER be stopped by legislation. Hmmmmm its falling into place.

As I said. "many small steps" = "One long journey". If you DON'T see the issue here, its perhaps because you see only the smallness of the step, rather than its place in the journey ?

We perceive things in terms of our values. The look on a persons face, we can differentiate 'shock/anger/panic/love' all by the look.
If you guys cannot 'see' what Graham is on about here... then you might have socio/moral conjunctivitus... goto the pharmacy of life and get some medication.

Greens/Left=Promotion of Deviate Sexual practices + promotion of degenerate portrayals of human interaction + Social/Immigration policies designed to white-ant our whole society.

Not....a pretty picture.

*sigh* I know its off topic, but if the judgemental ones like Boaz are going to heaven, then I'm thinking hell will be much more comfortable...

BD, "The SA were using that as a platform to promote gay and lesbian issues ! ie. Deviate sexual practices.

So, we have this curious spectacle of Bob Brown living in a deviate un-natural relationship,calling for Australians to live by "High Principles" yet his own life tells us what he means by such high principles."

A refusal to abide by the imagined moral codes of your god does not make something deviate or un-natural. The gay thing is not to my taste but it's been happening for a long time - much longer than belief in your god. Clearly not un-natural, nor is sexuality.

I don't like Brown much but your rather sick interest in what he may or may not do behind closed doors is much more deviant than anything I've heard from him.

Back on topic, I agree that what I've seen of the claims about sexualisation of children has not left me overly convinced that it is occuring to any significant degree but then I've not spent much time browsing fashion catalogues for young girls.

I also agree with Grahams point about not being defined by how others see us or stopping healthy activities because some might abuse it (photo's of key moments in your childs life etc).

R0bert

David,

“yes. you are in the minority”

I doubt that very much. I would think that the vast majority are not concerned about this issue at all and don’t see anything disturbingly sexual or paedophilic in it.

“…do you have shares in DJ ?”

I’m not a fan of big corporations and I believe in strict government regulation to keep them in their place. I hate the way our lives are ruled far too strongly by aggressive market forces. So to answer the question directly – No.

It seems to me that there is a real contradiction in your concern about immorality here. On the ‘Blind-eye policing’ thread http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=99#1898 you don’t seem to be too concerned about the terrible standard of policing in our society and yet here you are rather critically concerned about something that I think is a complete non-event in terms of morality.

How can anyone be particularly worried about any aspect of morality without being offended by a poor and declining quality of law-enforcement and respect for the law in general?

First an overview of advertising. It could be said that advertising anything at all that a significant number of people can't reasonably afford can lead to stealing, cheating, uncontrolled gambling, illogical prioritising and overworking, in a desperate attempt to find enough money to buy the advertised "must haves". But [hopefully] most of us can control these socially destructive urges.

Next, the strange idea that we can control what others think. Women shouldn't be allowed to look attractive, otherwise men may lust after them, indulge in fantasy liaisons, and perhaps be tempted to act out their fantasies. Fortunately there is an answer, the burqua, but for some strange reason this is not yet popular in Australia.

There are compromises, of course:
http://www.wholesomewear.com/

How about those who fantasise about bestiality? Maybe, if I had a dog, I should put pants on it before taking it for a walk. After all, we never know who may be looking and having evil thoughts, do we?

A couple of photos have turned up on the net on my primary school website. My class of 1940, when I was 6. All the little girls were prettily dressed and most showed their knees. And a similar 1968 photo with one of my nieces. A glimpse of what we may imagine was a bygone time of childhood innocense. But I think the girls wanted to look pretty and their mothers wanted to help them achieve this.

The fact is I didn't give a damn what little girls looked like when I was a kid. And by the time I was a teenager, I was interested in what teenage girls looked like, not little kids.

Back in the 1930s, men fought for and won the right to take their tops off on the beach. And presumably that initially begrudged concession was also extended to young boys. I wonder if alleged paedophile activity was raised as an objection in those days.

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