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A ChristMyth message - an Atheist perspective

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Oliver I would like to make a correction to that last post. It would appear that 'I think Adam West is still alive', that is pretty much the same as 'I believe Adam West is still alive'.

In fact I know Adam West is still alive.

In this case there is a slim chance that he may have died without my knowledge today but it is much different to the belief in god.

Death exists and so it is possible that Adam West could have died. Following that the information may take hours to be get around the world, but that is possible because those communication enablers do exist. When Adam West does finally die , if I am still alive I will recieve substantiated information that he is dead and then know he is dead.

Magic does not exist and so God also does not exist. Nobody can substantiate god and so nobody has factual information of gods existence. The information about god can only come from the imagination. Even if magic existed and so then it would be possible for a god to exist , nobody has factual information about god and so the god they say exists is not the factual god.

All gods are false gods and no true god has ever been worshipped.
Posted by West, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 9:02:43 PM
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David and West,

Thanks.

I lost a fairly comprehensive reply on trying to post. My own fault. I should worked from Word rather than typing straight into the OLO Panel. A little busy now, but will try to return to topic. Please excuse any delay.

Philo,

BTW: Religicles is meant to be generic. No you specifically. I appreciate you do inquire into things and admit anomalies. Same goes for George. Sells and Boaz appear less flexible, perhaps.

All,

Have a happy day. :-)
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 9:38:33 PM
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West,

"Magic does not exist and so God also does not exist. Nobody can substantiate god and so nobody has factual information of gods existence. The information about god can only come from the imagination. Even if magic existed and so then it would be possible for a god to exist , nobody has factual information about god and so the god they say exists is not the factual god." - West

Essentially, I agree with all you have said, but like building a house the process of working binary classifiers in Science usually does not start with what believe, but a null hypthesis [especially im medical research statical models. Typically, the null hypothesis is rejected/unproven. The altetnative hypthesis to null hypothesis what you "really" beleive.

David,

More comment for you later. But in the interim recall that Durac whom conceived the positrion/electron with a positive charge [Antimatter] did not beleive [his own relevation!] it as first. He rejcted that null hypthesis [I think] and others proved. Einstein, similarly, rejecetd his gravivation constant. AS you and Philo are at opposit poles on the existence of God; Einstein and Heisenberg -initially- well in opposition regarding quantium mechanics.

With Scepticus waiting on Religicles to convinve him is futile. If all the regions in the world are wrong does that mean there is no God?
And if there is a God how do we the nature of that God or whether he created the Universe and forgot about about. We don't the answers if as these remarks are on supra~demension to us. Ecluid and his 3-D geomentry, would see for 4-D space time as supra~demension but we know. If we don't have a null hyothesis for religion? quantum chromodynamics manifolds and string theory?

Moreover, say, if neither, Religicles nor Scepticus, know any history, say, ony science, after the null hypothesis is rejected by Scepticus; how can knowledge about theocracia-in-history or Wells Alexandrian God Factories be used to support the alternative to null hypothesis, "that God does nor exist"" My tenative position.

Cheers.
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 3:42:51 AM
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Oliver,

I’m sorry, but that is a lot of waffle. Allow me to ask the question again that you seem to have missed.

>>> “Instead of continually going on about testing “null hypothesis” how about telling us some you have tested. I don’t mean concerning historical fact, but in relation to supernatural realms and gods.”<<<

In your last post, you state; “If all the regions in the world are wrong does that mean there is no God?”

I might just as well say; If all the fairy believing children in the world are wrong, does that mean there are no fairies? Or, if all the UFO believers I the world are wrong does that mean there are no UFO’s. Or, if all those who believe in an infinite regression of creators are wrong does that mean there is no infinite regression of creators?

None of this has any impact on reality, nor is it pertinent to the topic.

The point of this thread is about indoctrination of children and political interference because of that indoctrination.

To save from losing material you have written and to make it reasonably grammatically correct and clearly understandable, it may pay you to construct it first in ‘Word’ or a similar program.

David
Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Thursday, 24 January 2008 7:29:44 AM
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Hi David,

Thanks.

It's not waffle. It is how a scientist applies hypotheses. Null hypothesis its alternative. If you have a Medical Research amongst your membership or a PhD she might explain: Not a GP they are not adequately trained. More later. Busy today. Ging through stuff before coming back to Oz. I probable can discuss for a week at most.

You seem to think that the null hypothesis is the same as changing sides. The religionist needs to go through the same process.

If ypu rely soling on some with a biased/opinion as your selk. Both of you have the same knowledge, you reach an en pass. One of you needs to learn. Sitting on waiting for the opponent [either side doesn't work.]. Stop sitting and read about your topic, use scientific method to improve your methods.

Will address your finer points. Rushed. Meetings now.

Regards,

Peter
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 1:44:21 PM
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"I’m sorry, but that is a lot of waffle. Allow me to ask the question again that you seem to have missed." - David

[." Is not a grammatical error. ". It is a type set comvention. Read Fowler]

That, the above, by you was, deliberately insulting and not at all appreciated. I have a problem with short-term memory and tested dislexic, also nowChemo Brain from cancer treatment, and, rushing rushing using the OLO panel. My verbal comprehension is tests at equal to quarter than plus standard deviations [three in 10,000 or more]: my neurologist said Darwin and Eintein had the same problem.

You really love argumenum ad hominum: Don't you? Your differences of opinion are your bad another. Little wonder the Thesis become upset
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 2:01:29 PM
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