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Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 5:03:02 PM
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why have a referendum on immigration, but not war, on public health but not public education?
pollies make their living by telling you that you are too dim, or too busy, or too ignorant to direct the nation through referendum. and you swallow it, so they may be right. but i think if you got off your knees you would discover you could run the nation better than they ever did. Posted by DEMOS, Thursday, 6 December 2007 6:30:20 PM
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Foxy
Why stoop to such personal attacks on Scotty. The fact remains that Aussuies do not want more Muslims here- and a few others who refuse to follow OUR laws Scotty is simply saying- Let the Australian public vote on it. Oh and I dont mean all the migrants living here on our welfare system either. You must be blind stupid or just plain ingorant if you dont know the general feeling amoungst the Australian born public Either way it hardley matters because Scotty is only saying what every single person I have spoken to is saying. Apart from a few trouble makers the average Australian doesnt want to end up like France. Yes Bring it on Good on you Scotty for speaking out. Dont worry about the back seat trouble making do gooders Scotty. Since my two girls were set upon by Muslims when they were simply walking to the beach I am very outspoken. They were just two young kids off to the beach for a fun day. Now they wont walk to the beach alone. They were called Hoars sluts and told allah would etc etc them. Yes Scotty indeed bring it on because here is one mother who wants them gone. For Good All of them Posted by TarynW, Thursday, 6 December 2007 7:15:30 PM
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Dear Taryn,
So you think that I made a personal attack on Scotty... I actually think that I was quite polite after what he called me in another post - oh, let's see ... "A leftist loonbag..." "Potential terrorist..." "Socialist / leftist." And he doesn't even know me. Then take another look at your post here - what's with all this name calling anyway. Do you have such a limited vocabulary that you can't come up with some more creative proper nouns... I could have stooped down to your level and told you to "Blow it out of your pants," but I'm too much of a lady to do that! Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 7:46:45 PM
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TarynW, and every Australian-born person I have spoken to believes that immigrants have been of vast net benefit to Australia.
Sure, 10 years ago polls were consistently showing as many as 65% of Australians preferred lower immigration levels, but in the most recent polls that number has dropped to ~40% (http://smpf.flinders.edu.au/docs/No3%20Nov%2006.pdf). That 40% would include me, however you would most likely not be happy with what I would see as a more preferable arrangement: allowing more refugees from poor, "non-white" countries, and far fewer from rich white countries. Posted by dnicholson, Thursday, 6 December 2007 7:53:26 PM
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Dear Foxy....
you said: (about Scotty) <<You have an irrational, inflexible attitude toward an entire category of people. Your prejudice is always rooted in generalizations and ignores the differences among individuals. You continually stereotype people.>> and.. from a 'Western' individualistic non tribal perspective, you have a point. Unfortunately, that point is totally lost on those who are bound together by either a tribal or pseudo tribal connection. For example.. I raised the issue of the Indonesian Fishermen claiming economic assylum. I then went further, and said "There is a strong connection to Islamic radicalism" in them... based purely on 2 things Race Religion History. The race and religion are closely connected, but the religion is the determinant of the 'race' in attitude. Now.. it would be easy to accuse me of 'stereotyping a whole people' as you suggested re Scotty. But if I may.. 'that' thinking is soooooo 'western' :) that it stands out like a country dunny. I say it with confidence due to the years I spent in tribal/multi religious Malaysia and saw first hand how it all works. In short..I lived it. So.. I would have no hesitation in agreeing that 'Lebanese Muslims' should be denied access to Australia. (just to use one specific category). You see.. it matters not a scrap if a bloke is a "hard working fella getting on with life" because when the 'crunch' comes, he will be there with his Glock guarding the Lakemba mosque like the other 1000s were. You see.. the simple 'bus incident' which started massacres in Poso,(Indonesia) where a Muslim youth falsely reported he was 'beaten up by Christians' caused such savagery and brutality you would not believe it. HERE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8yh4Bq_SA&feature=related Once the heads started to role... it didn't matter who started it. but everyone knows who DID start it. Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 6 December 2007 9:07:18 PM
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You have an irrational, inflexible attitude toward an entire category of people. Your prejudice is always rooted in generalizations and ignores the differences among individuals.
You continually stereotype people. You've got a rigid mental image that summarizes what you believe to be typical about a given group.
You think in terms of general categories to enable you to make sense of the world by simplifying its complexity. Your stereotype is not checked against reality.
If you find that an individual member of a given group does not conform to your stereotype for the group as a whole, you take this evidence as simply an 'exception' and not as grounds for questioning your original belief.
You are irrational, illogical and inconsistent. Clearly you're not concerned about genuine group characteristics. You simply accept negative statements that feed your existing hostility.
The sad thing is if you're prejudiced against one minority group, you will tend to be prejudiced against all others.
You represent the worst element of our society in Australia.
By all means bring on a Referendum - and the results may surprise you.
Because today's Australia is made up of over 140 different ethnic backgrounds speaking over 90 different languages at home, including Scottish, Gaelic and Welsh, and we also practice over 80 different religions.
So bring on the Referendum...