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Posted by Cuphandle, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:01:54 AM
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Why is it that whaling is such an emotive issue? Why doesn’t the emotion extend to fisheries of all sorts that are being unsustainably harvested?
Aren’t vastly more creatures killed in just about every other commercial wild harvest in the world? Isn’t the scale of Japanese whaling really quite small and well within sustainable limits? Are we really hung up on this issue predominantly because whales are so big, intelligent and mammalian, whereas fish, even the big ones like tuna and the long-lived ones like orange roughie, are simply thought of as vastly inferior creatures that are not really worthy of our concern, despite the huge harvesting pressure that they are under? Cuphandle, is the Jap’s only fault here that they are trying to dupe the world into believing that their harvest is for scientific reasons rather than being straight with us and calling it a limited commercial harvest? I'd prefer to see no whaling happen. But much more significantly, I don't I want there to be unsustainable harvests of any creatures. I think the latter issue deserves several orders of magnitude more attention than whaling. Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:55:07 PM
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Ludwig:
If an Orchardist expects to produce a bountiful harvest from his trees, he must pick off any diseased fruits before they spread the problem to other healthy fruits, or he ends up with no harvest at all......so it is with Whaling, Fishing, Gorillas, etc etc... you name it. We have to tackle each and every problem as it occurs or where we can apply pressure to reduce it! Any issue that involves "indiscriminate" killing of any of our fellow creatures should be considered an "emotive issue" and no doubt we could embark upon a long lasting discussion regarding the killing of cattle and sheep (for our cultural reasons), however this particular issue of "indiscriminate whaling" is simply a matter of the Japanese people thumbing their noses at the rest of the world and their action pleads for some form of prevention before it is simply too late! Posted by Cuphandle, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 8:19:52 AM
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What is indiscriminate about it?
It seems very discriminate to me; the targetting of certain species and certain number of each species. And in the absence of any significant whaling by any other country, it is of a very minor scale Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 8:38:27 AM
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Posted by freediver, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 9:41:27 AM
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This is good freediver. I support it fully.
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:48:52 AM
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which causes more greenhouse gases, huge mobs of cattle or catching a thousand whales. I'm no expert on this but I have the feeling that it would be on par. whenever you have big industry which, after all, is generally there to supply a demand caused by "people" you get pollution. don't for one moment forget that ALL industry reacts to DEMAND. No businessman would lay out a single Dollar if there wasn't a prospect of return. only ignorant academics argue in favour of the illogical whilst looking for bargains at the supermarket.. I have seen plenty "cheap" clothing snapped up by bargain hunters without any thought whatsoever for the workers who get paid close to nothing. those industries in turn cause much pollution. what's that got to do with whaling ? well, whaling is no different to ANY OTHER industry which reacts to DEMAND which in turn brings a Dollar. Australians & Americans criticising the Japanese for whaling is as hypocritical as Japanese criticising the Allieds about war. what would the antiwhalers say if someone came up with whale farming ? Is it really just about preserving a threatened species or is it about needless destruction as well. I do not support any activity which is not essential for sustaining us & I find all "FUN" activity which causes greenhouse gases utterly stupid.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 22 November 2007 8:33:28 AM
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The greenhouse emissions from cattle in Australia are about as much as our entire transport industry combined (cars, trucks, trains etc). The greenhouse emissions from whaling would be a drop in the ocean by comparison. It wouldn't surprise me if it is one of the msot greenhouse efficient meats. You get a lot of meat from a few whales.
Posted by freediver, Thursday, 22 November 2007 10:18:38 AM
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Make a difference and be heard!
Daily Telegraph’s Action Call blog is asking readers to send their concerns (online form), and they will then pass them on to the Japanese embassy and demand a response! LINK: http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/actioncall/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/save_the_whales/ Posted by Peterg78, Thursday, 22 November 2007 10:32:40 AM
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Freediver, I agree,
Peterg78, I would support a petition against whaling but as long as there are Australians polluting the atmosphere with emission from "Sport" & other "FUN" related activities I will refrain from signing. It's far too hypocritical for me when we have wealthy morons game fishing. when will barbed fish hooks be banned here ? when will sunscreen be banned from the Barrier reef ? of course it would be good if the whaling nations could be persuaded to cut back but we really need to make a much better effort ourselves. Posted by individual, Thursday, 22 November 2007 12:30:47 PM
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Thanks for the link Peterg. This problem has been dragging on. International pressure is probably the only way to stop this barbarous activity.
Posted by J Bennett, Thursday, 29 November 2007 9:20:11 AM
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Hello! All Australian! Nice to meet you.
I heard the news of Japanese ship hunting the whales, they betray the opinion of international and forced the whaling and you're very angry toward their cruelty act. I can't agree the Japanese whaling, too. International opinion is objecting the whaling, and I think Japanese illegal act is hurting the Australian local specialty. I was heard about the no good rumor about Japan. The rumor said, Japanese Governments are supporting the big enterprise BBS site named "2channel (2ch)", and they're oppressing the people at all, and they're commanding the 2channelers crowd to attack the opinion betraying the governments and 2ch management even one at random -And the rumor said, they drive a person at all with crowd until suicide. I don't want to believe the rumor that's Japanese Governments' taking the oppressive power like the D.P.R.K or Nazis-Germany, but Japan was allied with Nazis-Germany in World War 2, and they were oppressed the people and invaded to the Australia and the south countries and made you suffered with the raid and torture. And a Nazis uniform and a Nazis admitting book which is illegal act in European that's admitting in Japan, you may know it. Nazis-Germany and Japan was defeated the war, and the present Germans are examining Holocaust and their other guilt in W.W.2, but Japanese may be not examining their guilt, and the Japanese Governments are managing the 2ch and planing the oppressive politics again -Is Japan abondoned the democratic politic? Japan is hunting the whales and betray the opinion of international and you, but I think the Japanese governments have priority the opinion of 2channeler than you, and the forced whaling may be command from 2ch and Hiroyuki Nishimura. This is the site written detail of 2ch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ch My friend is also listened the no good rumor of 2ch, and he's translated the topics of 2ch and shown me the translated text. I show the translated text to you and parted the one reply, Please, know the Japanese opinion and read the text as well. Posted by sgt_eastwood, Sunday, 9 December 2007 8:23:58 PM
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We are compelled to listen to their pathetic reasoning for hunting and destroying Whales of all types (ongoing research to help preserve the species) whilst we all know that they just hunt Whale-meat to fill their dinner tables!
How long do we have to listen to the lies and deception from these arrogant destroyers of marine life,....because it is part of their culture?
We need to remind these people that they launched an invasion against the world once before and were resoundingly defeated.
Maybe it is time that the majority of nations that stand opposed to wholesale Whale slaughter became realistically involved in the imposing of embargos and sanctions against the recalcitrant Japanese nation to try to guide them along the right track!