Documents obtained by the Courier mail blow the lid on the worlds largest animals culls.
There was great efforts made to conceal this .

The Courier mail reported thousands of animals have been shot already. Those against the cull claim photographs show wounded animals in pain and young foals left near dead members of the herds standing over their mothers.
Miss Carter save the brumbies association han Carter had urged the State Government to set brumby sanctuares as done overseas and use fertility treatment as used overseas.

State sustainabilty minister Andrew MCNamara said shooting the horses was the practicle option.

It is claimed that its in consideration of the erosoin and speading weeds destroying springs? destroying Aboriginal cultrual sights etc.
Documents uncovered have shown that shooting of horses will continue for three years.

They probably have been made the blame for the spread of horse flue.
So somebody sitting in an office has made a personal choice to allow the
slaughter of a magnificent animal to protect the money of a few horse
abusers to continue making money racing till they ,due to the cost of
saving an investment an not being able to recoup it ,can keep a legall
cull of those said horses. I ,on my dirt bike rides, even in the Brisbane area have come across the best looking mobs of wild horses i have ever seen .But now the butchered land is now the Springfield township .
These mass slaughters are being signed of by a person sitting in a cubicle ,or maybe they have an imported timer desk to make them feel important ,and to stop a horse that is worth millions to them from catching a cold it is ok to butcher thousands of actually better free
vermin ,as they seem to see them ,to save their inbreed money makers.
It must be just me that see's how the money kills the animal that helped build this land and the real vermin that is destroying our lands gets no attention. The mobs i have personally seen in the Brisbane outskirts make these million dollar nags look like rag dolls.
I hope people add to this post and can help but my guess is there is no chance.
The people that ok'd it will not be held to account for their personal choice. And you would only get a cover up and a back pedal from every cubicle in this state. Let's see if anybody that threw a dollar in the cup sweep can add to this discussion before they think off the slaughter they have joined in on just to bag a post ,hey, ?

I think it may be crimson well worth while leaving the Melbourne cup and horse racing out of it.
Horse flue plays no part in this, it has been the long term way we in this country do things.
I am concerned that every time we cull horses we do so by gunshot on the run.
Reports continue of slow death and great pain, all to save money!
In NSW some years ago it happened deaths came after days of pain in miss shots from helicopters!
Culls must be better handled, some however must take place.

Hmmm...somehow I don't think we are hearing the whole story.

I'm endlessly amused by do-gooders sitting there sprooking on about the "evils" of our society. Fair enough if something or someone is sufferering as a consequence. We do need to be made aware and suggest ways of implimenting training, practices and continual monitoring agencies (for want of a better word) that keep an eye on best practice. But do-gooders are comfortably sitting in a house that was put there after someone was "moved", or bush was cleared, native animals were displaced, someone's land entitlements were rubbed out etc etc.

Animals have been culled for centuries. To suggest or take seriously suggestions it's to do with the horse flu is highlighting ignorance.

If the People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming are so upset by the nasty reality of society then I reckon you should put your money where your mouth is and solve the rabbit, pig, deer, horse, goat and kangaroo problem by implmenting your own solutions before culls get the go-ahead.

Insignificant.
Belly is corrcet I am afraid. Some States use poison[even worse] like they wanted to in the Snowy mountains.

Knowing people care does help. I hope you stick around.

Spitegirl. Yes of course there is more to the story.
The State and federal Government ignoring advise from many experts for years on how to control this.

Oportunitys to turn these horses into something positive for Regional areas.

The Governments have always taken the cheapest way out .

Only you the public can demand programes are set in place to turn this negative into a positive.
Perhaps we can look at some of the suggestions ignored after we post the rest of the story so GST has all his facts straight.
Mind you that might be a strentch of ones imagination.

Anybody who is not outraged by both the Governments lack of Animal Welfare managenent is not right in the head.
There are other ways of controlling this. They WONT spend the money!

GST. We dont have the millions to put other programes in place but the Government does. It just never wanted to spend any money on this at all.
Also I dont recall making a comment either way about shooting them.
We are simply reporting the matter to OLO readers.
Its not a secret considering its splashed front page and third page of the courier mail.
I personally put all my money into Animal Welfare. What are you doing other than critising an office full of people who work for no wages as often as they can-then drive hundreds of miles delivering feed to farmers which they paid for out of their own pockets.

I do have one or two solutions myself actually speaking of culling GST.
How about cut back on people? Less people less need to take back the land.
By implmenting solutions "before mobs numbers get too high" we can save this dreadful treatment of these beautiful animals.

I will now post "ALL" the story for you. It will run over several posts.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/10/2087321.htm

Sterilise, don't cull brumbies: RSPCA
Posted Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:42pm AEDT

The RSPCA says the Queensland Government should be controlling the numbers of feral horses across the state with a sterility program instead of a planned cull.

Spokesman Michael Beatty says about 10,000 feral brumbies need to be culled in a number of Queensland national parks.

He says sterility programs - where the drug is administered through a dart - have worked in the US and should have been introduced years ago.

"The RSPCA reluctantly accept some sort of cull did have to go ahead but we believe something should've been done about the situation years before now," he said.

"That's why we're pleading with the Government to start introducing fertility control sooner rather than later."

http://www.savethebrumbies.org/news.htm

Oh GST, that's me!. God that's funny. And mature.

Finally you come up with something that's worthy of debating but sure enough your smart mouth gets in the road of being taken seriously and continues to give me doubts on your actual affiliation with PALE&IF. Learn to spell for a start. Typo's happen, but mate, there's a spell check at the top.

So in all, you've actually got no suggestions of your own?.

One question. Do you, or anyone in "that office" own a can of flyspray?. 'cause I sure as hell haven't seen you write about the massacre of billions of flies everyday, and they're WAY more necessary to the environment than horses.

The horse has been one of the most useful animals for thousands of years. And people still use horses for recreation, sport, and work.
Large crowds thrill to the excitement of horse races. Horses perform in circuses, carnivals, gymkhanas, parades, rodeos, and horse shows.
They help ranchers to round up great herds of cattle, and do other farm work.

Horses are eager to please their owners. Most horses have good memories and can easily be trained to obey commands. A horse may learn to come when its owner whistles. A circus horse takes 'bows' when its trainer touches its front legs with a whip. Horses can learn to respond to even the slightest signals.

People who watch an expert rider on a well-trained horse often can't see the signs the rider uses. The quick obedience of the horse has helped make it one of our most valuable (and loved) animals.

I grew up with horses and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to shoot these beautiful animals. For money?
Because there's too many of them? There must be a better solution
than simply culling the animals - in such an agonising way.

Pale, on another thread you said that you would be happy for no animals at all to be farmed and it would be ok if they became extinct. Say, we stopped farming sheep, pigs, cattle etc. What would happen to the animals already in existence? Farm gates would be left open and fences cut and they would join the feral populations. That’s how we now have so many wild deer in this country for one example.

Rampaging feral bulls, mad cows, how would they be controlled? Same way as the brumbies I guess ….

I am not saying that the method they are using to cull these horses is the right one, but the cull is very necessary.

I know you don’t push the vegetarian line, but that is the fate of animals if they have their way.

As for the horse flu – my opinion is that the brumby had nothing to do with it – big money changed hands to clear horses through quarantine in time for a race, I’ll bet on that.

Foxy – what do you propose? That each australian keeps a brumby in the back yard? These are wild animals, not easily domesticated. Yes, horses are lovely creatures but unless you have a lot of land or a lot of money you are going to have accept the reality that there are just too many of them.

No, I'm not suggesting that every Australian keep a brumby in their backyard (though now that you've said it - hmmmmm - it's a thought).
What I am suggesting is - why do we always take the easier and cheaper option. Why don't we come up with a better more humane alternative? Aren't there countries that need working animals? Like China for example? That's only one humble suggestion. I'm sure that others could come up with better ones. We could at least try - couldn't we?

We've got a horse, dogs, cats, goats and I've been a professional hunter. God only knows how many animals I've culled and erradicated and some I took no pleasure in and others needed to be because of the damage they were doing. Pigs, rabbits and goats were the main targets of the shooting programs but none were sadder than having to cull deer populations. I never enjoyed doing that, but it was a necessary part of what I was employed to do.

I personally would find nothing sadder than culling horses. I know most of you people struggle to get your heads around the reality of culling, and people like PALE would be happy if you thought shooters shower in the flowing blood of wounded animals and gut shoot them for the hell of it. Obviously professional shooters are FAR from this fantasy.

It's sad cost is an issue. Maybe if money was no issue we'd have the perfect solution.... Remember, we're talking about governments here.

I notice PALE isn't around to post the governments stance on this. Only propaganda. Big surprise.

Export the horses - live - on ships?

What would pale have to say about that!

now, if we could just cull people...

Thanks PALEIF for bringing this to our attention. I agree the fact that large numbers of horses are being shot at and left to die a slow and agonising death is something we should all be concerned about.

Picking up on Foxy's suggestion of finding alternatives for these horses, perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this area than I am can tell me whether or not it is possible to tame and break in feral horses. If so, and I'm not sure that it is, this would surely open up some better alternatives for these animals. I know the numbers are big but it would be a big improvement on the current situation if even a percentage could be rescued in this way.

This aerial shooting is nothing new either. I remember hearing about it several years ago. I recall being angry at the time but as often happens the media interest faded away and so did my attention with it I'm afraid to say. I agree with PALEIF that we should all do our bit to get this issue into the spotlight and keep it there.

One idea that came to mind as an alternative solution is a sort of boot camp based on horse work where young kids who need a bit of a hand up could be taught to tame and handle horses. They'd benefit from the animal contact and the development of new skills and the horses once tamed and broken in could be found new homes. Don't know if this is pie in the sky or whether it is actually a feasible idea, but I agree with Foxy that we should look for ways besides killing to cull the numbers of these wild horses.

Hmm... look, it's all well and good to get heated up over this cull, but allow me to put things into perspective.

It's a similar issue with all the dogs and cats that are put down every day - it's a shame, but it needs to be done. They can't be allowed to roam as they would ultimately either become a nuisance to people, or alternatively as is the case with cats, they become a hazard to the environment if they grow in numbers.

It is the same with these horses.

Now in relation to the killing, yes, I agree sterilisation would have been preferable, but the RSPCA has sided with this cull essentially because they know this method is the most practical.
The money saved can go into other wildlife initiatives. It is a shame that a minority of horses won't die after immediately being shot, though I'm sceptical of the claims that this is cruelty on a mass scale. From everything I've seen, it's the most practical humane method available.

At the end of the day, ask yourself what possible motivation the government could have for doing this if it wasn't necessary. Even if the equine influenza conspiracy theorists were correct (and I doubt they are), then it's still a valid reason.

Bronwyn, if there was any money in it, I'm sure someone would have had a go by now. Added to that working with wild aminals, especially those as big as horses, is quite dangerous. Even catching them is difficult (go read the Man from Snowy River) - they are intelligent animals and not as food-motivated as say pigs or foxes.

That said, I am afraid I am no horse-lover, and see feral horses as no different to feral pigs, foxes, cats, rabbits etc. All are destructive to our native environment and need to be culled with the ultimate aim of eradication. The current method used for culling may not be very appealing, but its effective. I would fully support a more EFFECTIVE method if one were developed, however shooting is generally the most humane option. If aerial culling is used though, it should be supported by ground workers who come in if a horse is maimed, to put it down as quickly as possible.

Other culling options generally relate to disease - calicivirus has been very effective on rabbit numbers, but as with poison, death is nowhere near instant (even a gut-shot animal dies faster). As far as humane methods of dispatch goes, shooting will always be right up there.

and... if you did manage to tame and train, oh say, 10,000 brumbies, were are you going to house them?

We have already thrown out the 'brumby in the backyard' idea, so then what. Who has enough land to keep horses? Ah! farmers. Just what they need in these hard times, another mouth to feed.

A while ago I watched brumbies put through an auction. No one wanted them. They sold for $50 to guess who? The nackery.

Browyen
I have been speaking with the lady Jan Carter today.
I think the best thing at this stage is to stop the culling and go back to the table.

Yes its certainly not new I agree. Thousands pof horsesare shot Australia wide without the publics knowledge.
However what is new is the walk of shame as this has made international media.
Jan is a very busy lady and has promised to try to post here herself when she get a moment.
I intend to read all comments and reply asap
Firstly however we are busy trying to get the sensible alternative progects together.
PF No I agree its not as bad as live exports.
The problem is its been left so long.
There ARE other way.
As QLD is going to be the vote clincher for the federal elections I should think Kevin Rudd and John Howard would be silly not to assist us to establish proper programes.
Whoever funds the alternative programes will probably win the hearts of Queenslanders.
I think these brummbies might just give as the result of the next elections.
In fact I am sure of it.

Sterilisation sounds like a rather good option. If it worked in the States, why wouldn't it work here? I think everyone agrees that culling undoubtedly is necessary - but it's the way that it's being handled at present that is horrific.

I know that as we've become more urbanized, we've lost the connection with the natural world. The further away we get from the wild, the less we understand it. And I know that many species might not survive at all were it not for hunters trying to kill them. In America hunters have become essential partners in wildlife management.In the United States hunters contributed 280 million dollars in 2006 to dozens of groups that devote most of their revenue to conservation. For example, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, the Ruffled Grouse Society, National Wild Turkey Federation, just to name a few.

Perhaps some of Australia's hunter associations could be persuaded to donate funding towards the sterilisation of brumbys? Just a thought.

Here's another thought ... If you don't think that the various hunter associations will come through with the funding for sterilisation of the brumbys (they'd be protecting the territories of the wildlife they hunt afterall - as well as giving their organisation - good PR). Then, how about approaching the various political party leaders - currently running for office - with the promise of your votes? It might just work. They are all accessible - and can easily be contacted - and as the election drawas nearer - the timing just might be right to get something done.

Hello Everybody
If Kevin Rudd will halt this slaughter we will arrange the biggest money spinner for Aboriginal and Regional areas[ which WILL control the problem as well]
Yes its true PF we put most of our time into finding alternatives into the Barbaric live Animal Trade. I make NO apoligies for that.

Some time ago we contacted your buddies[ again] with invitations to meet with Russian Business people and others to introduce hunting flights for tourism only to shoot darts oinstead of bullets. Big prizes big lodges for accomadtion and a way of these people who already pay a fortune to come over to Australia to go hunting.
Now here is Kevin Rudds chance to show Australia that under his leadship its not going to be more of the same and get behind this.
If its kicked off in QLD it can be introduded Australia wide.
Once some sterilisation comes into place the boot camps set up to tame these animals can also be marketed for tourism
This in return gives our Aboriginal people a great oportunity to get in and run their own convential centers with accomadtion farms.
Peter beattie has made a huge error on this call and Kevin Rudd should halt the culling until further meetings can be held.
The only reason sterilisation hasnt been used in the past is because the Governments have not wanted to pay the extra cost between a bullet and a dart system.
Jan Carter will be speaking on BBC News and the whole world is preparied to get involved in any prpograme to stop this practise
Lets just wait and see.
The person commenting about spelling.
No this is a RSPCA Computer. no spell check. We work well over a hundred hours here. I apoligise but its simply being too tired to concentrate.
Still most people work out we are trying to help animals and dont mind.
Lets See What Kevin Rudd says about the hunting Tourism progect along with boot camps.
Kerry Obrien seems to be listening to the public out cry by the public towards Animal Welfare .

If Kevin Rudd needs to get a handle on the culling of horses to be elected he will not be!
First I get on with all animals better as I get older horses ? always, but we must cull.
Not far away deaths have happened as wild horses run across the national highway, one so dreadful it still hurts to think of.
That heard of brumbys often has stallions dumped inti it, to improve the breed, then those same hill billy cowboys harvest them , for the nackery.
At times of low prices new brumbys stock is added but it must stop, such horses farm illness are worm in festered and unfit.
Cull? yes but while it is unrealistic to leave land untouched for them do it cleanly .
And if some land is left untouched see that the horses are healthy there.
It is true that culling any animal is unpleasant but wrong to let deaths linger.

I'm as much of an animal lover as just about anybody, which is why I keep on wondering why it is that so much emotion is raised by the prospect of culling feral horses - as opposed to feral cats, dogs, camels, rabbits, toads, deer, goats, carp etc etc.

Australia leads the world in species extinctions, and feral animals are a big part of the problem. As many of them should be as humanely exterminated as possible, and the survivors sterilised. Then some of our endangered species of animals and plants might have some chance of survival.

Sorry, but for the sake of the environment - including other animals - feral horses have to go. As quickly and humanely as possible, because they have no place in the natural Australian landscape.

With the current drought it would be opportune to cull the horses. Remember the outcry when NSW National Parks attempted a cull in the Guy Fawks and Snowy Mountain parks. I remember clowns from the RSPCA or Animal Liberation asking that a vet be in attendance to euthanasia each horse.
(I don’t know how they intend to catch the horses, which is a pre-requisite) The same clowns probably feed their pets Pal that is comprised in part of slow racehorses.
Poisoning is probably the most cost effective but wilI require fencing off watering points leaving low “pop-holes” for wild life. I would say poison what we can and shoot any survivors before they move on.

It's a shame that they have to be culled, but no more tragic than the havoc they wreak on the environment.

And if you think this issue is an election clincher, I'm afraid you're dreaming. It really doesn't rate as one of the big issues.

Some people are more concerned about culling than they are about street people, the homeless.
We must cull , feed them up and trap them cull them humanly but cull we must.
Cats are as bad and dogs gone wild would you believe dingos around here are often black or white?
We must act or one day horse flue will be just a head cold compared with what could be transmitted via Ferrel animals.

Sheesh Pale, perhaps you should get into the brumbyburger business :)

What do you do if there are too many people? Shoot them? As pointed out earlier in the thread prevention is better than cure. What the pollies dont want to be asked is why they didn't take the advice of animal welfare groups and fund a sterilization program. Surely they dont share sille's contempt?

Yabby
There you are Yabbs. Guess you missed us ah.

The RSPCA says the Queensland Government should be controlling the numbers of feral horses across the state with a sterility program instead of a planned cull.

umm - The State Labour Government and the Federal Government should have introduced a similar programe Australia wide long ago.

The thing is all these issues are not hightlighted enough and only when thousands are shot and left to die slowly the public get involved.

One horse was found with more than a dozen bullets in him still alive of course.

Mind you thats just one we know about.

They are all in very good nick with plenty of feed about.

I dont know Yabby it might be a good idea if Polys stay out of land control. What would these public jerks know about the bush.
They complain about the bush fires. Thats because the growth is not controlled and the weeds clogging up the creeks.
Blimey what would our fathers and grandfathers say about their so called mangment.
Not one of them sitting on those boards is a bush man.
Yet they think they can control it.

The so called pests of this world are selfish narrow minded greedy people.
Belly why do you assume we have more right to live on this earth than the animals we share it with.
Make that are supposed to share it with.
Shheesh

20 years ago I used to know a fellow who set up a rabbit meat business in suburbia Melbourne supplying restaurants etc. with fresh organically grown bush meat, until they put him out of business for some stupid sentimental reason.Has anyone (not European by birth) ever tasted smoked or fresh horse meat? It is a prized delicacy over there.With so many slaughterhouses going bust or out of biz how hard would it be to create a "organically grown horse" meat export business? Great idea for Aboriginal horsemen as drovers and keepers?

Pale with respect, horses are not native to this country, we bought them we let them get out of control.
In wild herds they are rarely in good nick, often worm infestered at the least.
Damage done to the environment can be extremely bad to the habituate of native animals .
I am content to have animal welfare in the hands of people who both care for them but understand sometimes we must cull.
It is well worth repeating so very many animal lovers do far less for humans in need than they do animals.
One point is the thread can we trust DOCS?
every week another dead or dreadful tortured child is bought to our notice, failures to look after children yet we have double the posts here that thread has?

Fester
Quite rightly so. The Governments- both State and Federal have a duty of care. These programes must be introduced now.
Also people can say its global warming but the fires that our fathers and grandfathers managed through the bush were not as bad because the stock kept the growth down.
There is good feed and plenty of it in the areas where they are shooting.
In QLD we require about four five star accomadation boot camps to bring this online as a tourist attraction. this is the very thing the Aboriginal people need. By the way if you are going to shoot an Animal you do it from ground. You dont fly accross like a coward leaving hundreds lying and suffering for days and little foals without their Mums to die slowly.
Thankfully the international people are up in arms and I hope to be able to let those of you who do catre know of progects to do this in another way.
the trick is for people to all work together. Only by working together will we acheive the results that we need to make the government show some humanity.
They are annoyed they were caught out because they told the others to hide the carcuss from the public.

Belly
I dont mean to get cross with you all the time- I really dont.
Has it ever occured to you the two problems could both be handledin the same manner?
We need some contol over birth rate.
The public of course care about both.
Why or why do you put it on DOCS instead of going back to the drawing board and check out what checks are in place.
As the population grows you will have more cases unless some laws are put into place.
Putting more staff on in docs isnt the answer.
Taking steps to curb the type of people allowed to raise children IS .
Now as to your argument- We are SICK TO DEATH of people using kids as an excuse to turn their backs on cruelty toAnimals.
Church leaders are in particular very very good at this.
Cruel is cruel and they both are just as important as the other.

Pale ,

I agree - cut back on environment destroying people but DEFINITELY do the same for environment destroying brumbies in National and State parks.

Put them in museums - the brumbies I mean .

Pale ,

Better I suppose to sell the horse meat to the Dutch, who evidently love the stuff and spend the money on programs to improve education on responsible animal husbandry in Australia.

KJ
What a pity we dont have some control over who breeds in the humane race.
I do hope you dont have children. There is enough hard minded cruelty towards Gods creatures now.

You who THINK you have the right to say your life is more important than another creature.
heres news- We all share this earth with other creatures. From where I sit your far from superior.

I have just returned from working with some horses and let me tell you KJ- You havent got a patch on them with your miserable nasty attitude,.
As the RSPCA said the Government should have LONG AGO taken some reasonsibilty.
Oh but thats ok dont you worry about brummbies being shot and left slowly to die.
Or are you stupid enough to think each shot kills them outright. only a fool would belive that. But then again if the caps fits . I am sure its just a case of- you couldnt care less.
Some women are worse than the meanest men.
Bitchty even when it comes to posting.
One must wonder why you feel it so neccessary to post such a nasty comment when all the people in this group do is show concerns for fellow creatures OTHER THAN PEOPLE.

You just take your darling little kids off to a icecream and show.
Thats right- Teach them right. Teach them to be a insentive B.
I cant wait until this countries taken.
Just to see people like you running from the treatment these animals have been subject to for years.
Gives me something to look forward to.

Pale,

I will ignore your insults .

No one ,including me, that I know likes to see any creatures suffer and surprise ,surprise, I spend a fair bit of time putting forward the case for increasing the numbers and the protection of native species.

However I always remind myself that God Put only one breeding pair of each species on the ARK .

It would be great for a brumby benefactor to put them on a large private property that has had it's natural environment ALREADY destroyed.

Don't you care about the preservation of our natural species that live precariously in a very fragile environment??

The ABC today said that because of Climate Change we could loose one third of our Australian Species -rest easy , brumbies won't be on the list.

"I cant wait until this countries taken"

Just what does that mean pale??

Sounds pretty sinister, I think you have some serious explaining to do.

Your lack of patriotism has been apparent for some time but i didnt realise how deep it went!

KJ Said-I spend a fair bit of time putting forward the case for increasing the numbers and the protection of native species.
Oh really. Its just I dont see any organised plan - forgive me.
Have you looked at alternatives to the plan in action?
There are some you know.
PF
Nobody loves Australia more than I do.
What I meant was- Open your eyes Australia.
The way in which our neighbours treat Animals will not be fully appreciated until they take us.
That is what I meant.
Then people may understand why we fought so hard to slaughter here.
Mind you I was actually refering to the cruel live animal trade rather than brummbies.
It was an over all comment.

Something for the public to chew over while they eat their intensive farmed pork on Christmass day.

Hi All
Just an update on the Brumby situation in case anybody is interested.
Pale has been in contact with Jan Carter since the beginning of the media leaking the story of the brumbies to the public.

Pale has offered to request a transfer of funds offered by state government- Around 10 mil to establish international accommodation ranches in the four main areas the brummies are.

In some of those areas the brumbies can be caught and treated with this sterilisation program.

Another company off shore offered to match dollar for dollar anything the State Government put in and we were going to see what the Federal Government wanted to contribute.

Mr Mark Townend RSPCA CEO QLD was the first person to bring this information about the sterilisation program back from the USA.
Come to Oz and save the brumbies is good for the Aboriginal People tourism and the outback.

Mark was happy to look at any sensible project- More than happy.
So things were going well.
Whats happening you may ask?

Jan Carter in NSW a member of WSPA prefers not to accept the offers help the brumbies and is seeking to establish a save the brumbies group.

Yet another example of whats wrong with Animal Welfare in Australia.
I could say a lot more but I think you have the picture.
It makes me sick!
So it you see the same as usual lot out there rattling the tin- We had 20 mil nobody wanted because ALL the funds were going to the Animals!

Didnt take Jan long to duck for cover did it pale. You have that effect on most people. One day you will realise that and change your ways - maybe ...

PF
The real deal is unless RSPCA were to support it then it wouldnt be the success it could or should be.
Any new progects would need their involment and support to be of maximine benefit to the animals.
Yes she did say that the RSPCA would take all the money PF.
So there is another example of the difference between pale and many others.
pale was happy to hand over funds to the progect without taking one red cent to help the animals.
What pale required however was to work with RSPCA QLD.

We are very lucky in QLD to have a wonderful CEO Mr Mark Townend which makes it possible to kick off new progects.
As I said he brought the sterilation programe back from USA with him some time ago and make it known to others.

I think he was a bit surprised to hear others claimed to have researched it but probably not `too` surprised.

Jan apparently works with one of the peak organisations so I am personally not surprised.
Yes they really do dislike pale for being so honest and not just rattling the tin as Yabby used to say and sending all the donations to them.
I used to be a in two other groups PF and I can assure you it was one of the best days in my life to find pale.

Nor do I hear anybody else offering to put ten million of funds that was ear marked for another area into the brumbbies.

Just pale - As usual.

Dont anybody else offering. Matter of fact Jan called others and ended up giving them fifty dollars!

Mean time I am more concerned about the brummbies than your continued nasty digs.
I put the comments up about what happend so people read and learn whats really going on in Animal Welfare.
The old - Oh but it all has to be to my credit is so sickening!

Fancy turning your back on that type of assistance for these poor animals because of somebodies ego.