Arjay

You claim that: "When Kevin Rudd was in charge of health in Queensland 60% of the health budget went on bureaucrats instead of front line services." Would you care to document that? What's evidence can you give us?

Do I hear a whiff of an argument from you that Parliament should be elected only by the people who 'understand'? Who was it that argued that a blatant voting gerrymander represented 'the permanent will of the people' as opposed to the will of the hoi poloi who didn't really understand? If only the people weren't so stupid, eh? Should be deprived of the vote for getting it so wrong?

I would have thought that what the people can do in one election they could easily undo at the next. They all have the same voting power. That's not a quadratic equation - or rocket science.

Quoting NSW as an example of how hard it is to get rid of an incompetent government won't cut ice. Have you thought that maybe it's because the Liberal opposition are so hopelessly incompetent that the people of NSW are prepared to return an incompetent government because the alternative would be considerably worse?

Maybe an equally valid case would be how hard it's been to get rid of the Howard government - now there's incompetence for you; and we've had to put up with it for four long terms. But those of us who don't like Howard and his policies don't bleat about the "seduction" of the 'gullible" people.

Arjay's Principle of Democratic Merit: If the Coalition win, that's because Australians are smart; if Labor wins "they have seduced a gullible ignorant young vote with rock populism".

It is simple TLTR,just disprove the reality I have painted.You are arguing from the point of view of your own generalities.You should argue from the specific,then form the gestalt or general concept.

The Coalition are far from perfect but they have not performed to their optimum because the competition has been so pathetic.

We actually need a new party that represents workers on private enterprise and small business.I will vote for that!

After trying more than once in vain to get Arjay to show how his proposition works that it's possible to vote Rudd in but not to vote him out, I concluded that he was really asserting that "If the Coalition win, that's because Australians are smart; if Labor wins (to use Arjay's words) "they have seduced a gullible ignorant young vote with rock populism".

Now Arjay comes back at me with this unassailable thought: "You are arguing from the point of view of your own generalities. You should argue from the specific, then form the gestalt or general concept." I can't argue with that, Arjay. Only you could.

Which you proceed to demonstrate with your next pearl. "The Coalition are far from perfect but they have not performed to their optimum because the competition has been so pathetic."

I take it that means that the ALP will win because they've been so bad that the Coalition hasn't been able to show their true ability? What a clever strategy!

At the election after this, Malcolm Turnbull (Leader of the Opposition) should deliberately play stupid so the ALP won't be able to do their best. (Oh, I forgot, we won't be able to vote them out anyway, will we?)

Frank the 60% of QLD PS bureaucrats in Kevin's reign in the health service, is a direct quote from Alan Jones.I have heard no rebuttals from K07.

Face it Frank,I too used to vote for Labor,but even Mark Latham has realised,they are just a bunch of lying shysters with no moral or ethical compass.Kevin and his parisites are there for their own gratification and not interested in creating a strong and cohesive society.

hi to all out their mainly the forgotten australians , is it really worth voting for any one at this years election because they are all still lying and covering up the rapes and abuse that we victims suffered at the hands of these employees that work at the state run institutions, ,im going to except my fine for not voting because the goverment is covering these issuses up and will continue to do so as they have been doing for years, and im talking about the abuses that occurred while both parties were leaders, or i should put on my electol paper are you still protecting pedophiles of the states who worked at these institutions all the forgotten australians want is the respect from the goverment they deserve of which is sorry aye if it were me in parliment i would say sorry how hard is that it happend and now we are still fighting for justice still today , we are living in the 21st centry not the 19th or 18th centry ,the goverment are sweeping us under the carpet ,but everty time i can i will say my opinion both sides are equally to blame for what we suffered , and until something like happens to you or a friend or faily member you will then understand who we forgotten australians feel kind regards micheal

Arjay says: "Frank the 60% of QLD PS bureaucrats in Kevin's reign in the health service, is a direct quote from Alan Jones. I have heard no rebuttals from K07."

Is this the same Alan Jones who
• was once the unsuccessful National Party candidate for the seat of Eden-Monaro?
• was the twice unsuccessful candidate for the then safe NSW Liberal seat of Earlwood?
• was speechwriter for Malcolm Fraser?
• was asked to leave his teaching job at The Kings School in hushed tones?
• used spectacular foul language and vile temper which were recorded and played on Triple J?
• broadcast material that was officially found to be likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity?
• was found guilty of being engaged in undisclosed cash for comment practices?
• has attracted numerous adverse findings from Australia's media regulators?
• has been before the courts for defamation more than once?
• recently acquired a criminal record for an on-air incident in which he broadcast the suppressed name of a juvenile witness in a murder trial?
• was sacked after being the subject of a petition of staff writers on the Sun-Herald following plagiarism?

If it’s the same Alan Jones, Arjay, it looks like you’ve found yourself a witness of impeccable honesty and reliability. I give up.