Given that the " Me too" philosophy will probably win the next election,we have to look at the consequences of a Labor white wash whereby they will have so many seats that we will all suffer a NSW debacle of having to put up with a totally dysfunctionally Govt for the next 16 years!

The Coalition stuffed up on IR but they have given us a strong economy that will only exist in the dreamworld of Labor philosophy.Gough Whitlam presided over an economy in a resources boom yet busted our economy within two years of power.Paul Keating gave us "Banana Republic Scenarios" with double digit inflation,18% interest rates,10% unemployment and a dollar at it's lowest ebb of 40 cents US.Imagine travelling OS now with such a devalued currency?

If Kevin romps in with a huge margin,then we the electorate will not have the capacity to vote them out if they bring us asunder before the next poll.

The electorate must remember the heady days of,"It's Time" and the consequences of a Peter Garrett rock populism that brings poverty to the very people whom they profess to represent.History does repeat itself.

It doesn't matter who's in government. Their point of view is for their own concerns. If you look at the history of government, They all do the same thing and its greed!, money, and the small mindedness of their their short 70 years on this planet. Give or take. Message too the world! You are being conned. I know what their is up too. One half wants to make money and the other half wants too live. Me! I just sit on the fence and watch. EVOLUTION! You are not going to see what we can really be. And thats a fact!

Take a breath Ajay, who stopped the Latham landslide?
No one lead by an idiot with policy's to match it was clear to me two months before the train wreck was on, I had to live with it.
That morning at 8.10 am I shook the hand of a Nationals booth Capitan and said congrats on your win.
No blood in the streets a lot of pain and numbness from my side nothing else.
Your plea is a shout into a hollow drum, this time you are badly lead, we have far more than workchoices to blame.
Can you think we have forgotten AWB? pages of lies neglect and shame for your party.
You are no fool friend you must understand the me too is thin?
Climate change last minute changes to workchoices so very many More ALP policy's Howard is using me too?
Yes old John is a master of using other policy's and flip flopping.
Have the grace to handle your landslide with the honesty I did mine.
Understand my party's destruction by its own hand[ helped by Latham/ Crean] led to our return better than ever.
Your party will prosper one day, after it learns to learn from its public flogging in every state and now the federal Parliament.
Have you ever asked since , no contest, some state Labor governments are so dreadful WHY CANNT WE BEAT THEM?

Oh Ajay, O Ajay yea of little faith
Do you still believe there are reds
under the beds, fairies at the bottom
of the garden and corporate business
operates for the benefit of its
employees? What Howard has done to
Australia in the name of economic
development is not out of place
alongside the rape of Nankin.

Arjay, I think you place far too much in the government's influence on the economy. You say that the coalition gave the country a strong economy only dreamed of by Labor, but to be honest, with reserve bank independence, the government doesn't have all that much ability to influence the core economic conditions.

There's only two things a government can really do to have a large impact on inflation - they can choose to spend, or to not spend.

The Howard government has largely opted for the latter, while simultaneously flogging off a number of public assets.
This is how they have claimed a 'strong' economy.

This recent piece did a good job at highlighting this:

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6534

The problem is, that the coalition government has spent a great deal, but it's all been election pork-barrelling and never mind the record high advertising budget.

Alternatively, a government can choose to spend - with the current state of our infrastructure, I would say it's a necessary and the flow on effects on productivity will offset the risks posed by inflation - it's a necessary step for future development.

So no Arjay, I don't think the 'Ruddslide' needs to be contained at all. I think the past decade of a 'Howardslide' needs to be contained, and it's not too soon either.

Arjay's own little scare campaign: "If Kevin romps in with a huge margin,then we the electorate will not have the capacity to vote them out if they bring us asunder before the next poll." Duh!

We can vote him in but we can't vote him out? How does that work?

Ah, I see that Arjay's history happens in the future: "...the consequences of a Peter Garrett rock populism that brings poverty to the very people whom they profess to represent. History does repeat itself."

Maybe history does repeats itself- Arjay's OLO history certainly does, over and over like a cracked record.

Poverty you say.A good percentage of us are almost poverty stricken now because of the liberal party and the stinking gst.The labor party would be hard pressed to stuff things up any further.If the Liberal party has done such a sterling job for the country,why does it appear they are going to be soundly thrashed at the election.Answer that if you can.

How is it a scare campaign Frank,when we are merely stating the facts and clarfying the reality.Oh I forgot about the $96 billion govt debt that Keating left us which he conveniently ignores.Back then we had 8 million workers.Divide 96 by 8 and each worker was in debt ot the tune of $12,000.00.In todays terms it would be more like $20,000.00.Would every house hold like Kevin to add another $40,000.00 to their mortage through his incompetence?

Just look at Labor's long track record both Federally and now at every state level,it is apalling.You don't have to use a scare campaign on me.I am petrified of the economic destruction Labor can deliver.Just talk to real people in private enterprise who suffered under Keatings recession.He destroyed thousands of lives,many of whom never recovered.

Australia has a $1.1 trillion dollar economy and a $100 billion budget: Some of the largest mining companies in the world. The RBA sets indicator interest rates which Banks can/cannot pass on depdending on the size of their fixed depositportfolios on old rates. Our currency is floated. We are major supplier to China and Japan. Buy luxuries from the US. WE trade with Asia, but invest capital in Europe.

My point is Government accounts for about one-third of the direct of the Australian [Professor Michael Parent].

The Howard Government works on not spending, building surplus, as to pork barrel near the Election. Did you know that despite our huge surples, Tony Abbott do not commit to ratify his provide more afforable, more available PET scanners to detect cancer at a cellular level. Abbott indicated he would by July 2007, but didn't.

Australia has one PET scanner for 1,312,500 people, despite our huge wealth?

Bring on the Ruddslide! Bring new blood into the Coalition. Let the Senate independents control the Reps.

It doesn't matter who's in government.
That is one of the most typical statements by Labor supporters who are getting cold feet but still try to convince themselves. better don't vote at all.

appologies evolution, that wasn't aimed at you personally.

If you contain the outcome of an election, you don't have a democracy. People will vote for what they think is better for the country. Spreading some fear tactic of 14 years is false and hysterical. The term is 3 years.

Contain democracy? You want to contain democracy? Then what on Earth are we doing in Iraq?

If there is a landslide, that is what democracy does for change. People want change. If you don't like democracy, then move to freaking North Korea.

The economy change in the early Howard years was on the coat-tails of an international recovery lead by the Clinton Government. The Government does not control the reserve bank. That is what Ron Paul is concerned about in his Republican campaign stacking the currency back to gold. Sound crazy? The Americans like it as Howard's best friend is the worst US President in the history of their country, 75% Americans agree. What does that say about John Howard, his apprentice?

Let the landslide happen, let change happen. If it is wrong, we change back in 3 years. That is the system we have.

Mulder, a sociologist, more prominent daid of Power Distance that people will tend work towards reducung the power distance between their superiors and themselves, while increasing the power distance themselves and those lower down the ladder. Politicians must hate election time. Few really, believe in democracy. Where are the citizen initiated referendums. Some Ancient Greek Cities called on citizens to serve [like our jury system] for a year in government to break-up the parties gaining too influence. Can you imagine the coalition and ALP agreeing that!

I said: Arjay's own little scare campaign: "If Kevin romps in with a huge margin,then we the electorate will not have the capacity to vote them out if they bring us asunder before the next poll." Duh!

So I asked Arjay: "We can vote him in but we can't vote him out? How does that work?"

And Arjay replies: "How is it a scare campaign Frank,when we are merely stating the facts and clarfying the reality."

Now, Arjay, I'm a slow but steady learner. How can we vote in a government this year but not vote them out if they flop? Can you "clarify the reality" please?

Poor old AJ
Thinks in the past
Is scared of the future
Is the true conservative

Rudd will not miss use his landslide as Howard did his, after all old John if he could would never do workchoices again.
Arjay your posts are on a notice board for my election night party thanks and regards

Frank you are not stupid.The more seats they have,the harder it is to vote them out.The long suffering people of NSW bear witness to this reality.

Not one of my detractors have challenged my statistics or facts that paint Labor's appalling track records.They are like economic paedophiles,put them near a pile of money and they just cannot help themselves.It is the nature of the beast I suppose,they have too many minority groups to appease and their power base comes from the Public Service Unions who account for 85% of all union power in this country.This is why Labor is a high taxing,big spending Govt.When Kevin Rudd was in charge of health in Queensland 60% of the health budget went on bureaucrats instead of front line services.

We have the same farce in NSW with every Govt department.Michael Coster himself has admitted to this,but the Unions did a deal with Morris Iemma and our lazy bureaucratic aristocracy reigned supreme.This is why Labor in NSW cries poor knowing full well it is a result of their own inepitude and nepotism.

For the last three elections Federal Labor have been an unelectable farce and now they have seduced a gullible ignorant young vote with rock populism.

Kevin and his spinmisters do not have the talent or discipline of the Hawke /Keating eras,so why should we have faith in their ability to see us through even more challenging times?

Arjay, how quickly you forget the undisciplined rabble that was the Coalition before they were elected. I laugh when I hear them claim Rudd and his ministers are too experienced, when I think of how inexperienced Howard's team was when they came to power.

Sure, Howard did have some experience... he'd been a treasurer in the past. Interest rates were never quite so high as the were under him, so I don't know whether that experience really counts as a plus.

You talk of ignorant youth being seduced, though I tend to think it's just as likely there are plenty of old voters, who are rusted on conservatives who wouldn't change their vote away from Liberal regardless of how incompetent they became.
I've made more specific points earlier and I don't see you really putting forward any specifics, so yes, I think it's valid to call your posts a simple scare campaign.

Arjay

You claim that: "When Kevin Rudd was in charge of health in Queensland 60% of the health budget went on bureaucrats instead of front line services." Would you care to document that? What's evidence can you give us?

Do I hear a whiff of an argument from you that Parliament should be elected only by the people who 'understand'? Who was it that argued that a blatant voting gerrymander represented 'the permanent will of the people' as opposed to the will of the hoi poloi who didn't really understand? If only the people weren't so stupid, eh? Should be deprived of the vote for getting it so wrong?

I would have thought that what the people can do in one election they could easily undo at the next. They all have the same voting power. That's not a quadratic equation - or rocket science.

Quoting NSW as an example of how hard it is to get rid of an incompetent government won't cut ice. Have you thought that maybe it's because the Liberal opposition are so hopelessly incompetent that the people of NSW are prepared to return an incompetent government because the alternative would be considerably worse?

Maybe an equally valid case would be how hard it's been to get rid of the Howard government - now there's incompetence for you; and we've had to put up with it for four long terms. But those of us who don't like Howard and his policies don't bleat about the "seduction" of the 'gullible" people.

Arjay's Principle of Democratic Merit: If the Coalition win, that's because Australians are smart; if Labor wins "they have seduced a gullible ignorant young vote with rock populism".

It is simple TLTR,just disprove the reality I have painted.You are arguing from the point of view of your own generalities.You should argue from the specific,then form the gestalt or general concept.

The Coalition are far from perfect but they have not performed to their optimum because the competition has been so pathetic.

We actually need a new party that represents workers on private enterprise and small business.I will vote for that!

After trying more than once in vain to get Arjay to show how his proposition works that it's possible to vote Rudd in but not to vote him out, I concluded that he was really asserting that "If the Coalition win, that's because Australians are smart; if Labor wins (to use Arjay's words) "they have seduced a gullible ignorant young vote with rock populism".

Now Arjay comes back at me with this unassailable thought: "You are arguing from the point of view of your own generalities. You should argue from the specific, then form the gestalt or general concept." I can't argue with that, Arjay. Only you could.

Which you proceed to demonstrate with your next pearl. "The Coalition are far from perfect but they have not performed to their optimum because the competition has been so pathetic."

I take it that means that the ALP will win because they've been so bad that the Coalition hasn't been able to show their true ability? What a clever strategy!

At the election after this, Malcolm Turnbull (Leader of the Opposition) should deliberately play stupid so the ALP won't be able to do their best. (Oh, I forgot, we won't be able to vote them out anyway, will we?)

Frank the 60% of QLD PS bureaucrats in Kevin's reign in the health service, is a direct quote from Alan Jones.I have heard no rebuttals from K07.

Face it Frank,I too used to vote for Labor,but even Mark Latham has realised,they are just a bunch of lying shysters with no moral or ethical compass.Kevin and his parisites are there for their own gratification and not interested in creating a strong and cohesive society.

hi to all out their mainly the forgotten australians , is it really worth voting for any one at this years election because they are all still lying and covering up the rapes and abuse that we victims suffered at the hands of these employees that work at the state run institutions, ,im going to except my fine for not voting because the goverment is covering these issuses up and will continue to do so as they have been doing for years, and im talking about the abuses that occurred while both parties were leaders, or i should put on my electol paper are you still protecting pedophiles of the states who worked at these institutions all the forgotten australians want is the respect from the goverment they deserve of which is sorry aye if it were me in parliment i would say sorry how hard is that it happend and now we are still fighting for justice still today , we are living in the 21st centry not the 19th or 18th centry ,the goverment are sweeping us under the carpet ,but everty time i can i will say my opinion both sides are equally to blame for what we suffered , and until something like happens to you or a friend or faily member you will then understand who we forgotten australians feel kind regards micheal

Arjay says: "Frank the 60% of QLD PS bureaucrats in Kevin's reign in the health service, is a direct quote from Alan Jones. I have heard no rebuttals from K07."

Is this the same Alan Jones who
• was once the unsuccessful National Party candidate for the seat of Eden-Monaro?
• was the twice unsuccessful candidate for the then safe NSW Liberal seat of Earlwood?
• was speechwriter for Malcolm Fraser?
• was asked to leave his teaching job at The Kings School in hushed tones?
• used spectacular foul language and vile temper which were recorded and played on Triple J?
• broadcast material that was officially found to be likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity?
• was found guilty of being engaged in undisclosed cash for comment practices?
• has attracted numerous adverse findings from Australia's media regulators?
• has been before the courts for defamation more than once?
• recently acquired a criminal record for an on-air incident in which he broadcast the suppressed name of a juvenile witness in a murder trial?
• was sacked after being the subject of a petition of staff writers on the Sun-Herald following plagiarism?

If it’s the same Alan Jones, Arjay, it looks like you’ve found yourself a witness of impeccable honesty and reliability. I give up.

AJ
Quoting Alan Jones just about sums you
up.
Just out of interest... have you any reason why his ratings
have just hit an all time low apart from the
fact that he is a Liberal Party stooge at a time when
the population have woken up to Liberal Party
stooges?

So Arjay regards the odious and discredited Alan Jones as a source of reliable information? That says much about our babbling Labor-hater, and explains some of the more ridiculous things he posts in this forum.

Cripes, even the rugger buggers don't want the old closet queen, and they're apparently quite desperate.

Learn from the Ancient Greeks, we can ostrasize Ministers from the party of our leaning. Dawkins ruined education {ALP}. Abbott should removed from his his seat for ruining Health. There is only 1 PET scanner for every 1,312,500 Australians. Abbott said he would have a plan address this bad situaion by July, 2007. He has done nothing, except promise one for his own electorate.

Only yesterday Abbott was late for an important Health debate/meeting.

Its not just an issue of partyslides. The people should be able to ostrasize Minister's, even between elections. Black tile them.

Sounds like K07 is alreading on the wane from consuming too much wax.That's the trouble with Labor who have gone for Peter Garrett Rock populism and trendy Kevin with perfectly manicured hair,by appealing to those who treasure image over substance;images of consuming your own ear wax don't go down well.Already the yanks are rolling in the aisles and don't even know he is our next prospective Prime Minister.

Perhaps Kevin could have and ear wax Labor economy with ear wax candles when Peter G makes other energy resources too expensive.Just think of the recycling possibilities.The peasants can eat wax instead of cake.Don't Wayne,wax lyrical about our Swan dives.You could have a wax tax that won't cause ringing in the ears.
What about a waxy Taxi,don't get stuck for a ride.Waxy fast foods that leaves bitter taste in the mouth like Keating's debacle.

Just think of Kevin's inaugral acceptence speech;"Friends Romans countrymen,lend me your earwax."

Already Kevin's lead is diminishing and the compulsory ignorant/idiot vote which usually goes to Labor,have yet to focus on the reality.The Ruddslide is on the wane.

Arjay

Forget the earwax. What the story with Alan Jones?

Thanks arjay more laughing points for election night more can you believe this starts to great joy and fun.
But is it winning one vote for your side to display fear and miss information?
I am hugely interested in the post election debates here.
We may well see more understanding and balance when searching the wreckage of Howard's defeat.
But all the evidence for that result are on display in posts such as yours denial on denial.