Yabbys Said

perhaps learn to
separate emotion from reason.

Dickie- Now there you go free - '"insensitive" lessons from our old Yabbs.
Yabby has some advise to give on how to be insenstive..
[ Now I am going to be singing that song all day]

He will teach you to put money before misery- Give the man some more posts.
he he he.

Actually Dickie Yabby keeps the live export debates going. We really should be grateful for the time he takes to copy all those lies of the Government and Industrys web sites.[ he he he]

Despite being off post the bottom line is farmers are sick of animal welfare groups complaining about the cruel live animal trade then turning around and refusing to do anything practicle about it.
[ Such as help reopen abattoirs here.]

"So are pale".

I think both yourself and Yabby have unlimited posts just like should everybody else on this thread.

I agree with Yabby if its a detailed subject we often need more space.

This is especially true Dickie in the sort of detailed posts you put up..
I dont know how you manage to cram so much info in such a small space.
However you do it keep up your amazing work.
GY Please give us more posts.
You wont will you Graham?
How say you Spanky?

Anyway cheer up all by the way things are looking you will all be able to go on strike about it soon.

Ludwig, I see now that we are talking about slightly diiferent things here. I was specifically referring only to the restriction on the number of posts while you are speaking more broadly re couthness on not straying off topic etc. I agree with there being restrictions over things like flaming, couthness etc but I am against a restriction on the number of posts that can be made each day. If members were allowed only 1 post per day we could still be extremely abusive, for example. Restricting number of posts does not help keep this forum civil and interesting. It actually has a negative effect on the volume of potentially intelligent and civil debate that can take place.

This is an excellent thread asking a very valid question which I reckon should be asked.

I'm inclined to agree with you Ditch on the restrictive nature of the forum; I find it frustrating. ( when the censor comes up in red telling me that: "it is not necessary to put so and so"...;the damned thing is so polite it makes my teeth curl!)

However, I'm in agreement with TRTL's comment of 'no one poster can monopolize'. Also Ludwig's comment's of 9-17pm last night.

This forum works better than any I've seen. I LOATHE restrictions; but they work here.

The site has a massive m/ship, and regular new members. A large percentage of who post.
The format works.

It seems to me that if it were THAT restrictive, the m/ship would not be what it is.

My ambivalent tuppennyworth!

I think the correct balance has been struck.

If we're limited to two posts, we're less inclined to waste them on personal attack. If there was no limit, my feeling is that some posters would definitely up the ante on the 'biffo' to the point that the quality of the debate would be adversely affected.

Browyn, you posted to the "privileged whites" thread - nearly half that thread is taking up with ridiculous personal attacks and arguing over multiple identities (which I fully admitted to being guilty of doing myself, but no-one has objected about my own behaviour so far). I would venture to suggest that none of the squabbling would have taken place if it weren't for the restrictions.

How can "2 posts a day" be a well-struck balance? A balance between what?

Why anticipate the worst Bronwyn? I disagree with your assumption that members will not be abusive as they would not want to waste any of their quota on flaming. On the contrary. It's ptretty clear that many here make sure they get the boot into other members whenever the opportunity arises and obviously do not want to miss doing so before their quota is up for the day. My involvement in this thread has been restricted until a few minutes ago because of this 4 per day per policy. I have not nor do I intend to be abusive to anyone. I simply want to discuss the topic, but the restrictions inhibit my ability to do that.

By all means restict the abusiveness. The mods can continue to do that as they do now but why the 4 per day? I'll say it again, I find that offensive as the mods here it seems cannot trust the members to be civil. If that's what it revolves around. It may have more to do with restricting bandwidth useage, I don't know.

But it is a silly restriction to place on adults if it's to do with trusting us to be civil with eachother.