question to indvidule,if you were raped or abused in a state run institution would you not pursue the right for justice.also i was married to an aboriginal in 1983 and those aboriginals were treated well, and living in the white community of newcastleand my son to that marriage is a police officer, belly im not use to the computor lingo as im not all that educated with computors i did not know the meaning when you write in capitals that it means you are yelling and i apoligize to some of you people out their but to the goverment i will yell,any way all my intentions are of getting the goverment of australia to stop the cover up of what had and has happend to us victims of the forgotten australians,i understand that everyone is allowed their own voice to be herd, and as i said before read the senate inquires then you will understand what we went through , punishment does not mean to be raped and abused,and as i feel about anyone touching children those who do it,as far as im concerned they need the death penalty,we all know that their will always be some one out their wanting to prey on our children ,this is why i am so protective of all my children and as for people rubishing the aboriginals you must under stand that their is a minorty that are doing wrong by their own people as in our white race and that of all other races,and the truth is we are living now in a much worser life style of generation people thats like the law of giving a car theif a fine and no record well i got a record for stealing and sent to a boys home to be punished though whilst their two pedophile staff members raped me and abused me over a period of time it is something you try to block from your mind though it is so so so hard to do so some of you out their understand us some don't give a !!

huffnpuff let us start again I am white and past middle age but not in my view old.
I have a lifetime of commitment to better life for Aboriginals, and 2 of the kids I rared each have 3 kids to Aboriginals.
Your life has been hard , your chances of justice from ANY government are small.
Yes even a Rudd government is unlikely to help.
Have no fear about your ability or education, look at my earlier posts hear and see the real depth of my education , even my spell check could not understand me.
I am a social activist from the Labor right, quite willing to help, in cases such as yours you must remember outcomes are the only measure.
Write down your story, leave nothing out, send it to one side of politics, if you get no results send it to the other, complaining that the first did not help.
Offer it to the press all Medea.
But do not tie it to sinking stones, issues that drag it under and out of sight.
Saying sorry if that is what it takes to start making child rapists from within the Aboriginal community accountable is ok.
But it is no answer for community's that want to do nothing to help them selves.
WHO will say sorry to me? for crimes we no longer see as bad my ancestors came here in chains.
Who dares to say I am lessor than any man?
What ever happened to the idea man is one?
I refuse to be judged by anyone for crimes committed by long dead people ,but am aware of crimes committed within these community's that shame those community's.

Huffnpuff,
I am all for seeking justice. as a matter of fact I am very much involved in getting justice for myself from the Qld Labor Government. don't like my chances though.
I did not say that you're not entitled to justice. of course you are, no-one on this forum would state otherwise, even those who oppose for opposing's sake. Where the argument of an appology by a PM is concerned , is where all the flak comes from. How would I react if I were raped or otherwise abused ? Well, being a hetero bloke I wouldn't take to kindly to it. Seriously, I feel sorry for anyone in that predicament white, red, black or whatever. What I wouldn't expect is an appology from people who weren't around when it happened. As a people the aborigines have had a dramatic & often tragic existence since outsider settlement. n.b. not all settlers were white btw. What in your opinion would be the most effective way to bring about recociliation. We know now that money & houses & free education don't cut it & I doubt that an appology would do it either. To many people it is never enough no matter what you do. I would like to see an acknowledgement from an indiginous person that the average taxpayer here really has made a massive contribution to improve the existance of indigenous people in this country. Don't forget that many people who have never done anything to anyone put in a lot of effort to make that contribution. If you know what more can be done please say so. And, if you don't get justice for your experiences why not name the culprits.

to indvitual you say you are seeking justice from qld, so you know our feelings and yes i have named the two pedophiles in court, and not affraid no more of myself but that of my faimly , they suffer just as much as i do by my trying to get justice but what a lot of people dont understand im not doing this just for my self im doing this in the hope that it will open the door to all other forgotten australians , aye i was no angel in my life ,but i didnt have to be punished by being raped by 2 sick pedophiles that work for the goverment of australia, in the daruk boys home ,of which was daruk traing centre ,now the john moroney correctional centre, the goverment is trying and doing their best to cover all this up ,and im sure we are all aware of this by now , the question is which goverment is going to let the truth be known , as i said before these abuses that we victims the forgotten australians suffered were when each goverment body was in power wether it be liberal or labour , they are both responable for we all suffered , ,we are here in the real world now ,and are no longer their political pawns that they can push away ,as we have a voice and it is getting out their i can only hope that we lose no more lives before we get justice ,and have the door opened

huffnpuff, like you I've been shattered by abuse within the family and was raped at Uni. I had no way of taking these guys to court because in those days, unless a girl was purer snow, her case would be dismissed. So I well knew what would happen to me. I had been raped once I wasn't about to get raped all over again - in public this time- in court. Pls note I certainly was not a gad about town type of lady. I had two choices here, either go down the political route, which would go on for years and years and years. Or do something better, prove them wrong. My mother was always telling me I would never amount to nothing, Well, despite a lously F- on a good day report card all though school and via repeating grade 12 I got into uni and completed it. Something she said I would never do. I'm now completing my second degree to help me keep working. My aim is to prove her wrong. I want to prove that despite all the set backs with injury and disability I can and will still achieve. There is not greater revenge on someone, than proving them wrong. I will keep doing that until I stop drawing breath, not only as an example for them, but as an example for others who struggle with the same negativity. So if I may be so bold as to suggest to you. You can win, not through the courts, that only tear you to pieces. part 2 next

huffnpuff Part 2
Trust me I know you want an apology, I'm sorry but you won't get one. I was severly injured by my work in a goverment department - I have never got an apology yet!! But, their apology won't mean anything anyway. It's only when its meant that I'll accept it. Win by reclaiming your life, win by getting those qualifications or training that you have wanted to do. Win by ensuring that your grandkids and even greatgrandkids do well in school, keep pushing them keep using your example in schooling to inspire them to do something for themselves and for their community. Because Huffnpuff, that is how you reclaim your life, how you get back what was taken from you. You can do it. Just believe.