Division of Terrorism:

1. Physical Terrorism (unfair violence) like killing an
innocent person.
2.Non-Physical Terrorism (unfair non-violence) like a speech
which cause fight and killing.

Division of Targets of Terrorism:
1.Body a. Person b. Group c. Society(large Group)
2.Mind a. Person b. Group c. Society
3.Image and status a. Person b. Group c. Society or
Country
4.Economy (Financial Terrorism) a. Person b. Group
c. Society or Country
5.Culture a. Person b. Group c. Society
6.Belief or Religion a. Person b. Group c. Society

Division of Violence:

1.Unfair Violence a. with bleeding (like killing an
innocent person)
b. without bleeding(like hitting an
innocent person)


2.Fair Violence
a. with bleeding (like when a killer
attacks and you defend and kill or
injure the killer)

b. without bleeding (like when a
police stops a thief by force)


Division of Non-Violence:

1.Unfair Non-Violence a. with bleeding (like publishing
a book for making fight and
killing)


b. without bleeding(like a wrong
policy that makes people
suffering in life)
2.Fair Non-Violence
a. with bleeding (like
the operation of the surgery)

b. without bleeding (like speaking)

Conclusion:
Any person, any group or any country that has any kind of unfair movement and action
whether it's with violence or without violence, whether its result is bleeding or not bleeding,
against the body,mind,status,economy,culture,belief or religion of a person,group or country IS A TERRORIST.


“DDAN”

DDAN
I think we should forget the term 'terrorist' because much of what you say is clearly true.

It should be 'enemies and allies'.

The term "Terrorism" by us has overtones of moral superiority. This might well be true, but never entirely true, and in some cases may be entirely UNtrue about the actions of a nation.

I suggest that Australia's involvment in East Timor shows both.

To the extent that our motive was to save the E/Timorese people and repay the debt to them for caring for and assisting us against the Japs, it was good and noble.
To the extent that we may have had our eyes on their oil....... and especially if we saw an opportunity to gain unfair advantage over its exploitation... we are 'terrorists

Boaz,

The real motive was gas and oil which they are effectively stealing. That makes the rest a convenient cover for colonial ambitions - or lies.

Hitler used "Terrorism" as his excuse to declare martial law and obtain dictatorial powers. It was after a Russian "Terrorist" burned down the Reichstag building.

Anyone else see the parallels between Hitler and George Bush? Invading other countries without provocation, spying on his own people, torture...........

It's sad but true that America has been Terrorising the World for decades. Pushing their flawed system on other countries where it is going to be even less workable. The Middle East is composed of Tribal factions and unwilling to be pushed towards adopting a failed system like ours. One in which crime is high, unemoployment is high and our imagined freedoms are actually "sacrificed for the many" and never actually existed.

I frequently hear of how the Americans saved us from the Japanese during WW2. What utter rot. The Americans caused the Japanese to join up with Hitler by introducing sanctions. Sound familiar? They are still using this same stupid methodology to try and control other regimes. Like with Iran and N.Korea. It never works. In the case of Japan instead of rolling over and bearing it's throat this proud nation chose to send a warning. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Now we hear that the illegal war on Iraq has increased the number of Terrorists. Why would this surprise anyone?

Dear Wayne and Tao

You guys are speaking as if 'suddenly' Nation states are persuing their interests, and that:

a) It has not happened b4
b) Only the Bush/USA are doing it now.
I'm guessing that there would be a
c) Democrats or.. 'name the leftist' organization would do better ?
(not to mention the hijacking of the Southern USA states by Mexicans.)

Why not pay some attention to the activities of the Soviets, Iran, N Korea, China (specially in the current trade talks)

I have just as much angst about the sacrifice of our manufacturing industry on the alter of Graziers cattle and wheat, as you do about the USA and its goings on.

There never has been, nor will there ever be, a time when Nation states are not involved in the sometimes murky, unethical and downright immoral persuit of survival.

It becomes a matter of degree, and hopefully democratic nations will not take us down the National Socialist path, and always remember, Governments are usually voted OUT rather than new ones voted 'in'.

The emphasis on the 'War on Terror' and the various intelligence and security laws have no effect on truth being told from what I can see.
A republican who writes innappropriate emails to a male page is out their for all to see, and he has resigned. It will damage the image of the party also.

I don't really see all this 'conspiracy' lurking around me that you guys seem to, and I don't just see the 'murky' stuff happening in the USA.

I see N.Korea is on the verge of a Nuclear test. You didn't say anything about that. Given that they might send a nuke in pieces to somewhere to be re-assembled for later strategic use, does this not worry you more than phone tapping or 'threat level' indicator

So America put sanctions on the Japanese and they bombed America but why did they bomb Australia? Why did they risk death in the islands of Malaya, Singapore, New Guinea etc.

The reason was the glittering territorial bonanza that Australia offered to an overcrowded Japan and if they had taken Australia they and their children would have had prosperity for centuries to come. While we would have been shot out of existence and have become a dying race like all conquered people.

The Japanese knew we were stretched thin with our soldiers helping to defend Britian who was being bombed every night by the Germans and they thought there was a good chance that they could take this country regardless of American sactions.

To Tao,

How would you like to pay $5.00 or even $10.00 a litre for your petrol and then have that cost added to your groceries and your whole cost of living. America protects its people by trying to keep control of the price of Oil and Gas. The Arab Sheiks have grown rich off the price paid for petrol by the West and other countries. Before that they were just Nomads in the desert.

Have the Shieks eased their peoples poverty with this wealth. No they buy million dollar racehorses and take them all over the world to race. Set up family dynasties and drive their wives and children around in stretch chauffer driven limosines.

Did Suddam Hussein ease his peoples poverty with his oil wealth? No,
he built at least 9, Billion dollar castles and held the starving children up in protest at American sanctions. It was his fault the children were starving not Americas but as usual the media played right into his hands.

But of course America is responsible for all the nasty things on earth while all the other protaganists are angles.

The protaganists may have funny angular shapes but I did mean angels.

The Japanese didn't care one jot about Australia,America or Europe.They had more immediate concerns.Two years before our fledgeling nations had even contemplated a second world war they were already at war with China. When World War 2 broke out they had won their war. After thousands of years of trying the Japanese had defeated the the oldest nation on Earth. Every city in China was under their command. It had cost them many lives and allof their resources. There was still some mopping up to do ofcourse. Resistance fromthe countryside was considerable but ultimate victory was assured.

Until America, a new nation across the Ocean decided to embargo Japan and cut off vital oil supplies. This left Japan with only two options. Abandon China and run back to Japan with their tail firmly between their legs or fight.

Remember that Japan was on our side in WW1. You can thank America for the switch. America and its policy of interfering in the affairs of other nations.

As to the price of oil,we shouldn't even be using that black muck any more. The best way to defeat rich middle eastern concerns hellbent on our destruction is to cut off their source of income.

If we embraced nuclear energy along with recycling of spent fuel instead of coal then we'd bring down the cost of electricity. Hydrogen cars already exist. Cheap electrolysis of hydrogen is the only ingredient still required to make fossil fuels redundant.

Japan versus America

Japan moves to acquire an Empire -The East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere

This was due largely to the break-up of the world into trade blocs with Japan frozen out of many markets. The 1929 Depression hit Japan hard. The civilian government had no solutions to the problems presented by the worldwide depression and the civilian government looked weak.
The unemployed of Japan looked to the strength of the army to assist their plight rather than to weak politicians. "The voice of senior army generals were heard and they argued a campaign to win new colonies abroad so that the industries there could be exploited for Japan. Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, By 1931, Japan had invested vast sums of money into the economy of Manchuria, which was effectively controlled by the South Manchuria Railway Company.

In 1937 Japan invaded China and, after the collapse of France, moved to acquire bases in French Indo-China- this led by degrees to the war in the Pacific, especially after the US oil embargo in July 1941. Japan struck at US and UK bases in Dec.1941.

cont

When the Japanese invaded China they killed 15 million Chinese.

I obtained this History from the Web Chronology Project.

Sharkfin,

Your example of how the sheiks drive stretch limousines and set up family dynasties (on the strength of over inflated oil prices etc )had such a familiar ring ..oh yes ,Australian Politicians.

I usually read your posts with interest and its a minor point but not one soley attributed to an arab nations beuaracratic workings.

The rest I agree with.

Examples of well known terrorists from history:

Robin Hood.
William Tell.
William Wallace [Braveheart].
Hereward the Wake.
Brian Boru.
Nelson Mandela.
Queen Boadicea.
Guy Fawkes.
Robert the Bruce.
Jomo Kenyatta.
Bonnie Prince Charlie.

Examples of well known patriots and freedom fighters from history:

Robin Hood.
William Tell.
William Wallace [Braveheart].
Hereward the Wake.
Brian Boru.
Nelson Mandela.
Queen Boadicea.
Guy Fawkes.
Robert the Bruce.
Jomo Kenyatta.
Bonnie Prince Charlie.

Often it all depends on whose side you're on and/or who eventually wins, doesn't it?

Well..I dont know about anyone else but my year 8 highschool teacher was a terrorist for sure.

He WAS right up there..

Rex... you have it in a nutshell.

I dislike the term 'Terrorist' and have been running a mini campaign to change it to 'Enemies' and 'Allies' :)

Cheers