Hamastan (formerly known as Gaza) has been formally identified by the Israeli government recently as 'hostile territory' (well, duh!). Israel states that the only humanitarian needs will be supplied to Gaza. Bad news for them. Understandably Israel is cautious about dealing with a people who willingly (or unwillingly, but without a fight) allow terrorist organizations into power. Especially when you're dealing with individuals who train their children to carry bombs over borders (a 12 year old) or get kids to retrieve Katyusha rocket stands while knowing that the IDF will target them in order to stop them being fired again (young people have been killed). How about making kids TV shows that encourage and brainwash kids into accepting suicide 'missions' and murdering the 'evil Jew'.

Israel aren't angels. No one should deny that. And the Palestinian people got to lick the stinky end of the poo stick, but Israel and its people aren't going anywhere. The sooner they accept that and boot the foreign agenda driven anti-semitic murderers out the better it will be for them.

Just a rant. Thanks for reading.

Hi STG....hope you feel better now :)

We all need a good 'rant' from time to time.

I noticed this in your rant:

"How about making kids TV shows that encourage and brainwash kids into accepting suicide 'missions' and murdering the 'evil Jew'."

Mate...! get on youtube and SEE the programs they are already making.
It is beyond sickening. They are already doing this.

The only thing I don't understand..is now that Israel has declared it 'Hostile Territory' they don't DO something about invading, disabling, dismantling and destroying it......

But my reading of the Jerusalem post suggests they are going to hit it hard quite soon.

Cheers

""How about making kids TV shows that encourage and brainwash kids into accepting suicide 'missions' and murdering the 'evil Jew'."

Mate...! get on youtube and SEE the programs they are already making.
It is beyond sickening. They are already doing this."

My apologies mate. That's what I meant, but unfortunately left out a couple of key words.

Its baffled me for a long time as to why they don't just end Gaza and other areas within the larger Israeli boundaries. Possibly because it gives the nutters somewhere not hidden amongst the Israeli population but in an area they call their own. Perception of control and all that.

Hamastan... and Londonistan...

Note these words.. which are seen heard in this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs&mode=related&search=

WE MUST PREACH.. UNTIL WE ARE STRONG ENOUGH.. TO TAKE OVER.

WE WILL GROW.. AND THEN THEY WILL JUST SUBMIT TO US WHEN WE ARE STRONG.

Of course.. they are speaking about Pericles-stan.. England.. but good ol Pericles would just call this another 'whack-a-mozzie' rant...
Well.. I suggest that the 'rant' shoe is not on my foot..but on the foot of these Jihadists in his own former backyard.

There are 6 segments to this video.. and I hope all readers will view them. This is nothing other than a declaration of war.. and I'm not joking. Its just that they plan to do it without weapons..at this point..OH..wait.. I forgot about the bombs..

All fundi nutters rant endless diatribe and rhetoric. From David Koresh (christian) to Ahma-dinner-jacket (Iran's king dick) and all the brainwashed 'my mother didn't breast feed me' crazies in between.

The problem with the ME is the fact that there's stuff there that we seem to care about. For some reason. What good are religious icons these days?. How do they affect us? (in this part of the world). I heard someone say that if oil was redundant (mostly) we'd forget where the ME was inside a year. Fair point, I think.

Maybe Israel needs to give Palestinians an ultimatum on the fruitloops. Get them out, or we'll take over and level the joint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo7-T63UEJE&mode=related&search=

This is a reply..by one of the Islamists.. who said how Kaffirs are hated.. and many other things.. now.. he is claiming the old

"Oh..they took us out of context" Well you be the judge.

Then...he does a beauty.. He quotes how 'Women are defficient'....and then tries to say they are..but they aren't..... He specifically mentions how the tesimony of a woman.. requires another women.. to be equal to that of a man...

Then he does a suck up to Christians.. claiming Mary Mother of Jesus was the most 'educated and intellectual'.. good grief...

See how he squirms..as he is put under the 'heat' of being confronted with his own words....

Seriously, how much of your life are you wasting away on this sad crusade of yours, Boaz?

You must spend hours rummaging around the sordid recesses of YouTube, digging up grubby footage of yet another nutter making a fool of himself.

They are obviously highly intimidating to you, but to me they are just sad. They have plenty of slogans and posturing, but are fundamentally unable to cause as much havoc as the Pacific Highway on a holiday weekend.

And they feed their hatred on the reactions of people like you Boaz. They simply love engendering fear, and enjoy watching the hysterical hopping from foot to foot that their words cause.

>>Of course.. they are speaking about Pericles-stan.. England.. but good ol Pericles would just call this another 'whack-a-mozzie' rant...<<

That's what it is Boaz. The fearmongers have won another round with you, haven't they.

Ginx... well said. Forgiveness is a wonderful part of Christianity.

And the offer of forgiveness is there for every person who avails themselves of it.. in repentance. This includes you and Pericles.

"For God so loved the world (including Ginx and Pericles) that He gave His only Son, that whoever (including you) believes in Him will not perish..but have everlasting life"

Observing, and noting dangerous social trends, is not in conflict with the above message.

Here is a screen shot of one of the speakers in the Doco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UndercoverMosquekill.jpg

His words are "As for the Jews you must kill them physically"

Now..when his hate is exposed..and he is confronted.. see how he ducks and weaves and tries to rationalize, claim 'out of context' and generally 'dumb down' the intereviewer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo7-T63UEJE&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

Pericles and Ginx can be in denial as much as you like.. but the facts speak for themselves. There is an element.. a sizable one.. in UK up to 44% if mosque control is an indication, in the Muslim community which holds views which are a direct threat to our national and social security.

If you are sick of hearing it..CHANGE the chanel... don't come here.. let me simply be an STg /Bozo bonding session...and whoever else wants to join.

BOZO; first off, if you post on a public forum, expect a public response. I will post wherever I please.

Secondly; you and people like you are precisely WHY many people are repelled by so-called Christians.
Why so many are repelled by religion in ALL its forms.

You are still unable to see that you are the other side of the SAME coin.

You are a prolific poster. Most all of your message is to critique others, and preach intolerance and hate.

You seem to enjoy it.

YOU have chosen to state your personal relationship. To that end, my condolences to your long suffering wife and family in general, for having to put up with you.

You are as I have said, an odious creature.

All I know is that one day Australia is going to need a very large army. Disciplined men on duty and off (I gagged to keep that down) and no bastardisation of recruits or women or anyone. Fully focused on the enemy. Fully equiped and guns for a citizens army where there are none as yet. For if its not Islam to our north wanting SOUTH IRIAN it will be China wanting NEW SOUTH CHINA. If youre doing little why not petion the PM today for greater defences. A Royal Commission into military purchases would also help.

This is why this place has a massively limited exchange of topics, ideas and people.

Gives me the clap. ANOTHER topic over in less than ten replies. I hate agenda driven rants as much as the next person. Let the discussion progress with opinon and ideas. Counter an opinion with on topic calculated responses.

Otherwise, sod off.

Singee; 'sod off' is in the eye of the beholder. You might have started this thread, but you don't decide who posts on it or how.

BOZO; you!!;taking the moral high ground! You really enjoy dishing it out, but you don't like taking it do you?

TOUGH.

Ginx.

You know my name. Use it properly please. I don't disrespect your opinion and participation by calling you skinks, or minx, or what-the-hell-ever.

"....but you don't decide who posts on it or how."

You're right of course. But keeping it within the realms of the original topic would be appreciated. Common ettiquette and all that. I've never come to yours and done it.

Dear Ginx
I don't mind 'taking' it... by all means.. I simply wish to be taking it for the correct reasons.

You are projecting a notion of Christianity onto a post about a secular issue.. I'm part of the wider society also....and I am aware of how humanity in historical context approaches problems of hostility against it.

If you fail to understand why Britain declared war on Germany or why the USA declared war on Japan... then dear Ginx.. that is your own admission of naivity, and or.. plain denial.

My 'Christian' approach to the problem of 'Hamastan' is to proclaim Christ as Lord and Saviour.. that they may all be saved both Jew and Arab.

Considering the history of the area.. and the methods used, and for the Israelis the divine command/authorization as follows:

Deuteronomy 20:1

1"When you go out to war against your enemies, and see(A) horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the LORD your God is(B) with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.

10"When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. 11And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. 12But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. 13And when the LORD your God gives it into your hand,(I) you shall put all its males to the sword, 14(J) but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you(K) shall take as plunder for yourselves

Now that should keep you going and raging for a while.
God ordered the complete annihilation of the inhabitants of Canaan... Men, Woman, children, livestock.. EVerything. The above was the 'generous' approach.

I hereby nominate this thread for the OLO doublethink-of-the-year award.

It goes like this.

StG starts a thread called "Hamastan". Considering that there was no substance to the piece, you'd have to be particularly charitable not to regard it as a provocative troll for anti-Islamic sentiment, which it achieved immediately, in the form of knee-jerk whack-a-mozzie Boaz.

But at least StG had the grace to come semi-clean by add the footnote "Just a rant. Thanks for reading"

Just in case you missed it, StG wrote:

>>Just a rant. Thanks for reading<<

Having achieved his objective of stirring fellow-traveller Boaz to his cause, which in turn generated the usual complaints from the likes of myself and Ginx, what do we find?

StG comes back online with:

>>I hate agenda driven rants as much as the next person.<<

Self-loathing is a trait common amongst religionists, StG, even (thanks Boaz) St Augustine turns out to have been a sufferer. But to perform such a U-turn so quickly...

Mind-boggling.

If you prefer sober discussions between mature people, StG, do not lead with a teaser that cannot fail to arouse the ever-vigilant Boaz to shove in his, slightly rancid, I'm-a-christian-and-therefore-must-be-right oar.

And Boaz, you are becoming increasingly unconvincing.

>>The issue with war is... we don't engage in it to spread the Christian Gospel, we do it to survive<<

Tell that to the Huguenots. Does the St Bartholomew Massacre ring a bell? Whose survival was at stake there, pray?

>>You are projecting a notion of Christianity onto a post about a secular issue<<

This comment to Ginx caused a serious coffee-meets-keyboard incident.

Pot. Kettle. Deepest, darkest, jet black.

That will do very nicely Pericles. I'll stick a ditto on that!

Hi Stg.... sorry for creating a bit of flack for you mate.

I guess when I see the words 'Hamas'.. my brain goes into meltdown, because I see 'Hitler'..and and Stalin....and Pol Pot...and but Hamas are worse.
Worse than all of them put together.

I'm not sure why you dislike agenda driven rants.. everyone has an agenda..and it is the conflict of agendas which causes wars.
This includes the 'Agenda' of power.. between the Catholic Merdici's and the Protestant Hugenots... and the associate riots.

We had one closer to home... in Hobart actually. (many years ago)

An ex Catholic priest came to Australia, to 'publically rant against the Catholic system.. nad all went ok while he did so in protestant Church buildings. But then the sponsors hired the Town hall... which had been paid for as much by Catholic dollars as Protestant...they seathed, and grabbed weapons..and it was virtual civil war.. Catholics attending protestant meetings with clubs in their hands.

That ex priest had an agenda.. even you must have some kind of agenda.. the important thing is.. "is the agenda in question ultimately beneficial and good for society or.. damaging and bad"?

Some agenda's can look bad..causing short term disruption.. (like the removal of a cancer) for the long term good. Some folks only see 'bad' in any agenda. Lets hope they educate themselves about history and human nature.

Stg...have you ever read the Hamas Charter ? look at article 11

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

Funny... I take the highlights below to be remeniscent of the speeches of Hitler and Japan around the time of WWII.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

COMMENT
Sounds like a declaration of war to me.....

I probably made a mistake by approving this thread. I've been deleting posts above, and I'll be forced to take further action if you don't all play together a little more nicely.

At least the Wallabies got beaten as well.

It doesn't matter that they got beaten.

Did they play nicely?

GY, just ban BD, many of us have had enough of his insane interference on what would otherwise be productive discussion.

Goood 1 Ranier.. :) I guess you wouldn't want to be banned for speaking about Indigenous issues would you ?

Or having the right to continually criticize 'whites' ? .....

I don't abuse people... I address issues. I guess that's why I'm still around ?

You might not like my perspective..but thats ur right.. I don't begrudge you that.

Remember you wishing death on one other forum member a while back ?

If anything was going to get someone banned.. I'd figure that one would rate highly.

Well.. be thankful GY has patience and tolerance.. unlike... guess who :)

Uh-oh, there goes another keyboard.

>>I don't abuse people... I address issues. I guess that's why I'm still around ?<< (Boaz_David)

Boaz, you regularly, and with malice aforethought, abuse an entire religion.

As your excuse, you claim that abusing the religion does not indicate abuse of the individual who follows that religion.

That doesn't wash, you know. If you said that guys with beards are rapists, would it not be the case that people with beards might be offended?

Especially, I might add, if your reference point is a religious text written fourteen hundred years ago.

And as for "addressing issues", your record on that is even weaker. Your concept of addressing issues is either to to find a handy verse or two from the bible, or to misquote something "you read somewhere", and disclaim it as soon as you are found out.

Although to be fair, you seem to have graduated recently to simply pointing at YouTube, a medium well known for its well-adjusted and fundamentally honest clip-providers.

Plus the inevitable propagandist, here and there, of course.

Pity you haven't learned to distinguish between them.

But the reason you are still around, Boaz, is because, as you quite rightly point out, your voice has as much right to be heard as anyone else's, whatever may be anyone else's opinion of what that voice says.

I may disagree with you on some things.

Well, most things, really.

To be honest, almost everything... but I'm happy to read it just so long as you don't mind me pointing out the odd flaw.

Here and There. You know.

Dear Pericles.. thank you for confirming what I said:

I don't abuse PEOPLE...... exactly.. I do criticize a particular faith more than other faiths.. granted.

Lucky I'm not PAUL.. see how he reacted to one Elymas.

"RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD" EVANGELISM.

6They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus, 7who was an attendant of the proconsul, Sergius Paulus. The proconsul, an intelligent man, sent for Barnabas and Saul because he wanted to hear the word of God. 8But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith. 9Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said,

"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun."

Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand. 12When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord. (Acts 13)

COMMENT.
Now.. you might be temtped to criticize the Almighty here.. but I'd think twice if I was you.
This man was deliberately and maliciously seeking to actively divert peoples hearts from the truth of God in Christ. He was not just mocking... or apathetic.. he was steering the procunsul away from Christ to sure up his own 'religion' (magic)

Now this is one of 2 incidents of this type recorded. (Annanias and Saphira also incurred direct wrath)
It isn't often God punishes people in this world.. and this bloke should be thankful his punishment was not terminal.
A point to note... it was GOD...who did it..not Paul.

Boaz, it's just a story.

It is not "rubber meets the road evangelism" - even with the capital letters you gave it - it is just a story.

It is an allegory, invented for the purposes of moral instruction.

It is a metaphor, illustrating the folly of, and punishment for, deception.

>>Now.. you might be temtped to criticize the Almighty here.. but I'd think twice if I was you<<

Why on earth would an atheist be tempted to do that?

>>A point to note... it was GOD...who did it..not Paul.<<

Are you really sure about this? Temporary blindness can be induced by a second-rate hypnotist - you've probably seen them on TV - or occasioned by a form of hysteria.

You are clutching at straws here, Boaz, presumably to distract from the fact that you addressed none of the points in my last post.

Except for thanking me for something that I patently did not do:

>>Dear Pericles.. thank you for confirming what I said: I don't abuse PEOPLE<<

If you believe that is what I confirmed, then you have your self-delusion volume control turned right up to eleven.