I must admit I was just predominantly being flippant Robert, while pointing out there are always other angles in every 'social variation'.

off topic, I finally came up with some suggestions of alternatives on the "Battle for Balance" as you suggested I do, and everyone has abandoned the thread. :(

Aziliz, I'd guessed you were having a play. Thanks, we need more of that :).

I've missed your additions on the other thread, I'll try and get back there in the near future and have a look. Have a nice weekend.

R0bert