Looks like the missiles are flying again, the war in the M/E continues.
It's unlikely the Strait of Hormuz will open fully anytime soon.
This will result in significant global consequences.

This thread is just a free general discussion on M/E and other global conflicts.
Everyone's free to say whatever they think.

There can be no settlement unless that enriched uranium
is handed over to the US or the International body that
is involved with controlling fissile material.
I remind you all that when Iran was refining uranium
they announced that Israel would cease to exist in 2027.

If memory serves me they had a countdown clock in Tehran
working towards that date.
Do you think they were kidding ?
I don't, it is the fundamental of their religion.

Congress wants to tie the United States to Israel with this new legislation. It’s a trap
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/05/congress-us-israel-legislation

Google? 'If section 224 passes, should Australia cut ties with The U.S.?'

AI Overview

Whether Australia should cut ties with the U.S. if Section 224 passes is a subject of intense debate, balancing deep security integration against sovereignty and strategic risk. Proponents of maintaining the alliance argue it remains essential for regional security against China, while critics warn of becoming too deeply integrated into U.S. conflicts, arguing for a more self-reliant or "US plus one" policy.

Key Considerations in the Debate:

Strategic Integration vs. Sovereignty: Critics argue Section 224 could lock Australia into an AI-driven, interoperable military partnership that includes Israel, forcing Australia into U.S.-led conflicts and compromising sovereign decision-making.

AUKUS and Reliability: Concerns exist over the sustainability and costs of the AUKUS deal, with some arguing the U.S. has become a less reliable partner under a transactional, "America First" approach.

Security Risks: Conversely, many argue that breaking the 70-year alliance would require enormous increases in defense spending to maintain a credible deterrent, as discussed in this analysis on ASPI Strategist.

Alternative Strategies: Instead of cutting ties, some experts suggest a "US plus one" strategy—maintaining the alliance while diversifying partnerships to reduce over-reliance.

Note: The context indicates high uncertainty in 2026, with some calling for a total re-evaluation of the alliance, while others focus on mitigating risks while deepening relationships in the Indo-Pacific, as described by this report on GIS Reports.

Lets not beat about the bush; the following is what
Islam believes and what Iran's rulers MUST implement.

Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert
to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax. (9:29)

· The unbelievers are stupid.
Urge the Muslims to fight them. (8:65)

I have long list of other verses but I have not been able to
copy them, or a further selection, into this msg.
It maybe the msg size limitation.
I will try and put the file up elsewhere, but there is a lot
more like 8:65.
For Trump there is one that says a moslem can promise to do
anything at all while knowing that it is a lie so long as
it is to the advantage of Islam.

So it means their words are of no value at all.

Baz,

Not only do some people "beat about the bush", they are also 'up a wattle'.

Indeed ttbn,
I tried to find the verse that permits lying to
an infidel but could not find it.I may have confused the
principle of Taqiyya as verse.
Taqiyya is permitted especially in Sunni as a means to escape
oppression or death in which you hide your Islamic belief.
If Trumps demands are considered oppression then it is OK to
deceive him with agreement.

The upshot is no matter what they say, if they retain
their belief then their oath is meaningless.
As is their signature on a piece of paper.
Knowing this you have you implement change at the point of a gun !

Not much more to say about that.
It explains why there has never been a peace treaty or
cease fire that lasted more than a few days.

Here is someone saying it more elegantly than I can.

http://us.list-manage.com/N5cfOXhSa40?e=fb1080b608&c2id=7695d8445a33ce68feb603ec7612dafd

Sorry I hate these long urls but I only get one or two free a day

de Barry

Baz,

The Muslims lie to non-Muslims. The Albanese government lies to its own people.

I followed the link in the first post, and read through the article.
It expresses what many persons think.
And it does so very well.
And what it says is a realistic assessment of the situation.
The future will be very interesting.
And there are likely to be real liars to point a finger at.

Hi AC,

From my student days of the Vietnam War I have strongly believed Australia's best interest would be served as a non-aligned country in our region. There is no doubt in my mind that America is a belligerent nation world wide, and seeks to control all others by economic means or through military force. Put simply 4% of the worlds population can't consume 30% of the worlds resources unless they make sure the other 96% are not getting their fair share.

Trump curtsies, I mean signs

Hi AC,

This deal is an absolute disaster for the US/Trump as far as it goes. At the very best all Trump can hope for is a deal, sometime in the unspecified future, that returns to the Obama deal of 2015, with a $300 billion sweetener, and a "toll" charge thrown in, even that deal is unlikely.

Where is our forum friend the Trumpster on this, not a peep out of him. I wonder why? What's your take on this outcome.

He's doing what you do when your team loses the Origin.
They say they didn't watch it.
But we all know they turned the TV off at half time and went to bed early.

Hiding out, not wanting to face your comments most likely.

Trump said yesterday he had to do it to avert a global depression.
(He had to fix the mess he created) still might be some supply shocks, it takes 6 weeks for ships out of the Persian gulf to get where they're going.

The Supreme Leader — and his closest advisors — are all dead.

Iran’s new leader is a closeted, one-legged nepo-baby who’s too
scared (or too disfigured) to be seen in public.

The Iranian economy is in abject ruins.

Iran’s navy, air force, and air defenses have all been obliterated.

Iran’s nuclear program is buried beneath a mountain of dirt.

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Iranian missiles, military equipment, and nuclear technology were destroyed.

Iran’s enemies — which include Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and more — have unified against it.

Iran’s terrorist proxies, including Hamas and Hezbollah, have all been weakened.

The mullahs are fractured and divided, and Iranian leaders are resigning.

Regionally and beyond, Iran’s capacity to project power is at a generational low.

Finally, perhaps, there’s an opportunity for peace in the Middle East.

It seems Paul still wants to call the match at half-time. It seems the concept of a ceasefire to allow for further talks is too complex for the Paul's and AC's of the world to fathom.

The main aim of the war was to stop the mad mullahs from getting a nuke. That remains the case and remains the main point of the Geneva discussions. If it can't be achieved then its back to obliterating what's left of their economy.

Its why the $300 million or so is on the table. Its a very Trumpian incentive to get them to do what he wants - play nice and you'll get some sweeties. Of coarse, it assumes that the Iranian leadership actually cares about the Iranian people, and that might be a little wayward.

Hi Trumpster,

I feel so sorry for YOU as the poor deluded fool YOU have become about the Daffy Donald Dopey Deal. You say $300 million the real figure is $300 billion. Like all your other calculations you're got it WRONG, only out by a factor of one thousand!

No one cares about the mad mullahs in Iran, and all what YOU say. The fact is Daffy Donald is begging for a deal to save his scrawny political hide. He's even taken to blaming his deputy dog J.D for his own stuff ups.

Look at him -
AC pointing --> He's still regurgitating false narratives
"Regionally and beyond, Iran’s capacity to project power is at a generational low."

Dopey Donald thought it would all be over in a single weekend.
Bibi convinced him, the Iranian regime's a house of cards he said.
We're going to trick them while in negotiations again.
They won't know what hit them.
So DD had Bessent crash the Iranian economy too.
Mossad stirring up the protests.
Killing cops and setting building on fire.
We want the Shah!

Then Dopey Donald launched a covert operation to extract 'the dust'.
... And the Iranians were waiting to ambush them.
We lost one of our pilots!, but we got him back!
And it was an amazing rescue mission!
The best rescue mission of all the rescue missions!
Ever since rescue missions were invented...
So Dopey Donald says

Iran says 'Screw you we're not going to do what you tell us!"
And Dopey Donalds standing there with his pants down
Yelling and screaming ALL CAPS

With Hegseth saying 'Yeah! We are going to bomb these guys into oblivion! We're going to bomb everything.

Ahem, didn't all your 27 military bases in the M/E get blown up?
Didn't the U.S. mostly run out of offensive and defensive weapons?
Aren't they facing a global financial catastrophe which they started?

Didn't Trump sign a surrender document in Versalles?
No comprehende of the significance of what he did?

He can still try his luck on the Strategic Petroleum Reserve if he wants to, what's left of it, muck / crud, whatever you call it.
Some say the resulting global depression has already been locked in.

Trumps like 'No I'm no giving them cash, no'
I'll pay then in US wheat, and soy!

That sounds like some kind of victory Donald when you just recently tried crashed the Iranian economy, now you're so dumb trying to please Zionists by saying 'I won't give them cash' that you're try to offer the Iranians U.S. food parcels instead?

Give me a break.

Trump lost the war.
Badly. Humiliatingly.
But he has to pretend he didn't.

Just a couple of things:

.The Mad Mullahs don't care what happens to Iran as long as they remain in charge, which they do and always will. If Iranians themselves had really wanted to get rid of them (they've had half a century to do so) they would have at least tried to do it by now.

. The U.S/Trump lost when they broke to Golden Rule, never-negotiate-with-terrorists.

Even those of us who think highly of President Trump know that he has stuffed up big time on this one. He is now lashing out at Israel, a country that knows he to fight a war, and whose experience has taught it that you must kill radical Islamists, not chat to them.

Apart from all that, Iran has been a lost cause ever since Jimmy Carter's meddling.

What a dismal situation.
The only way to deal with religious terrorists is a
no compromise order to them to disarm and make sure
that uranium is never available to them.
Power reactors must be managed by a suitable powerful
organisation. Fuel pellets manufactured and accounted
for their reactors. Swap depleted pellets for pellets.

They have to be treated differently because their
religion says if they die in a retaliatory strike
they will be in paradise immediately !
So nuclear war is to be welcomed.
No counter argument possible.

"The U.S/Trump lost when they broke to Golden Rule, never-negotiate-with-terrorists."
- They don't have a choice except to negotiate, they lost the war.

But the U.S. won't make a deal in good faith and the Iranians are onto it.
They're all about the commitment to the commitment.
They're not going to be screwed over like Russia on the Minsk deal.
They want a committee of oversight to maintain the deal.
Trumps not going to be able to sell victory.

And if Trump don't play, Iran will say look sorry we're busy right now, come back and see us in September, with the Strait closed.

"The only way to deal with religious terrorists is a
no compromise order to them to disarm and make sure
that uranium is never available to them."

They could just make more if they were serious about doing so.
They're not religious terrorists, it's more of a military dictatorship.
And are you willing to conscript half a million Americans to fight them in a ground war, for another WMD lie?
When Iran can just blow the shite out of everything with conventional weapons anyway?
Obviously, they will destroy all gulf oil and gas infrastructure, so where are we then?

They're not going to give up their right to enrich uranium now.
They're a signatory to the NPT and have a right to enrich for civilian purposes.
This whole thing has been a Netanyahu and western engineered screw up since day 1.

Hi AC,

No surprise that a country that clandestinely developed nuclear weapons, Israel, and another that was the first to develop and use them the United States, should be so against other ratbag nations like Iran from also developing their own nuclear weapons. Dose anyone seriously believe the world is a safer place because countries like Pakistan and India have these weapons of annihilation, hardly! I am totally in favour of disarmament, and that includes Australia disarming.

These people are morons.

http://theconversation.com/iran-just-outlasted-the-worlds-most-powerful-military-what-can-australia-learn-from-its-strategies-284443

"Think of Iran using drones and mines to keep US ships out of the Persian Gulf and making it harder for US forces to raid Iran’s oil terminal at Kharg Island.

For Australia, this means continuing to demonstrate the ability to prevent an enemy from achieving its goals after war breaks out. This can be hugely valuable if it stops the enemy from using certain weapons or taking specific actions against us."

'Putting up a good fight and getting twice as many Aussies killed while fighting a superior adversary and are going to lose anyway' is not a strategy.

That's a 'sacrifice the plebs and buy the elites time' strategy.

I've got a new war strategy.
Politicians and political donors kids are immediately conscripted on Day 1 of any international conflict, and they must not be placed where they are protected.

This ensures the rich and wealthy or those with financial interests in war wont take us there for any stupid reasons.

A report by the UN's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory accuses Israel of deliberately targeting and killing Palestinian children. The commission found that the Israelis had used "large-yield bombs" that killed children "in such high numbers" indicated intentionality. Also the report found the IDF had used drones and snipers to target children's vital organs in the head and upper body. The Zionist murdered 20,000 children in Gaza!

Well the first question that arises is;
Is it true ? or Is it "Misinformation"
Is it partly one IDF unit acting illegally ?
Is it a terrorist unit sending them to Paradise for
propergander reasons ?
Or even the the dreaded "End Game" ?
ie an attempt to eliminate the next generation of terrorists ?
It is the same logically as destroying the enemies factories.

I doubt we will ever know, but think about it, it is the
logical question we all will face if the Ayatollers get their way.