Just heard on GayBC Radio that Unions demand a 6% pay rise for workers. Would it not be more sensible to have a 6% pay cut for high Government bureaucrat earners who get paid criminally far too much already with regard to usefulness & benefit to Australian society !
Bringing costs down improves economics due to competitiveness, not increased cost.
I was a blue collar worker & yes a bit more was always welcome however, I always failed to see the benefits because pay rises invariably bring about increased expenses.

Ask your federal MP if he or she would be interested in taking a 6% pay cut.

see the national rent seekers also just given that hater Tame a job. Will fit in well with all the other nasty bigoted haters. Pity we pay for this diarrhea.

Ask your federal MP if he or she would be interested in taking a 6% pay cut.
ttbn,
In a real democracy that wouldn't be up to them to decide. After all, they're working for the Nation or aren't they ?
The Public Service Board should be made to front up to explain on what grounds they came to warrant that pay rise !

That'd be one for Pauline to look at !

How hypocritical, non productive aged welfare addicts with their snouts firmly in the trough, wanting to deny the real productive workers a justified pay increase. 2.67 million snouts sucking up $62.2 billion in aged welfare cash payments from the taxpayer last financial year, add in all the other pensioner perks and its more like $100 billion! The numbers are growing exponentially, and this Aged Pension handout nonsense is unsustainable and needs to be replaced with a Seniors National Service.

About 2 million aged pensioners are living in a owner occupied house, with no mortgage. Means test the house, and pay down the pension to cover the million dollars in assets. That would immediately reduce the aged welfare payout by about $47 billion. Those who agree to give up this housing largesse could be housed in government provided barrack style accommodation, one bedroom pre-fabs would be cheap and quick to build, temporary accommodation could be provided in tent encampments on the margins of cities and towns, close to churches and cemeteries, while older folk are waiting for work and housing reassignment. The new supply of existing housing would be used to house more productive people, solving the housing problem overnight! A win win situation for all.

Indyvidual

I meant that what you suggest isn't going to happen, so there's not much point in talking about it.

But, if Australia was a "real democracy", after the budget and the Albanese Soviet government's actions over the last four years, and we had CIRs, there would be enough signatures to force an early election.

But, as we are not real democracy - not just allowed to vote for the same people every three tears, with neither of them getting in on the popular vote - there's no point talking about that either. Australia continues to be rooted. And it will remain so until preferential voting is scrapped.

Runner,

Yes. The Tame business is a disgrace; but, remember, she lost all her speaking engagements and support after publicly calling for the slaughter of Jews (that's what intifada is: killing) and she will be on the bones of her arse.

Think of it this way - if the ABC is the only one to take her on, she is real rubbish.

I actually think it's good that the ABC gave Grace Tame a job.
It's like a call to all the whiney b*tches to publicly identify themselves.

You know seriously I might be willing to actually earn my second comment deletion just to have my 2 cents here...

First thoughts

'What a bunch of fekken homos'.

How many of you were planning on actually listening to Graces's four-part podcast, 'Autistic AF with Grace Tame', which discusses aspects of women’s experience with autism in Australia?

NONE OF YOU.
You weren't going to listen to the show, but you're all spastically bent out of shape.

And what because a person who was once Australian of the Year gets a little radio time ffs?

This has always been about fake outrage by the Jewish lobby trying to cancel Grace Tame because she supported Palestinians, they've been somewhat successful in this regard.
Just as they attack anyone who doesn't parrot their bs.

All's I see is that you all seem to be climbing over each other like a bunch of depraved schoolgirls at a rock concert trying to argue which one of you traitors puts Israel first more than the others.

'I sucked 2 Jewish dicks this week, ner ner I'm better than you'
'Well nice try and ner ner to you, because I sucked 5.'
- Like I said, bunch of homos.

The reason why fuel and food and everything else has gone up this year is because of you traitorous Jewish-narrative-repeating genocide supporters.

Israel first grumblers have become worse than a stadium full of whinging poms.

Constantly attacking and trying to cancel everyone, to protect the vile and repulsive state of Israel.
Youse are the ones making yourselves look like NAZI's.

'Autistic AF with Grace Tame'
- Really, this upsets you?

It's because you care more about Israel that letting Grace waffle on about whatever bs she wishes to.

"About 2 million aged pensioners are living in a owner occupied house, with no mortgage. Means test the house, and pay down the pension to cover the million dollars in assets. That would immediately reduce the aged welfare payout by about $47 billion. Those who agree to give up this housing largesse could be housed in government provided barrack style accommodation, one bedroom pre-fabs would be cheap and quick to build, temporary accommodation could be provided in tent encampments on the margins of cities and towns, close to churches and cemeteries, while older folk are waiting for work and housing reassignment. The new supply of existing housing would be used to house more productive people, solving the housing problem overnight! A win win situation for all."

In this 'kick em out, take their homes and stick em in dog-kennels on the outskirts of town and trample on their dignity' 'plan'...

Will the homes be going to needy Australians, or Albo's foreign imports?
Just out of curiosity you know, because it kind of seems a little drastic.

'The name Grace Tame MUST BE PERMANENTLY STRICKEN FROM RECORD!'
You all wonder why this country has gone to shite, look at yourselves.
I'd be crying, if it wasn't so funny that Grace Tame has had such a negative impact on your day.

As for the 6% pay rise for workers.
Everyone appreciates a few extra dollars, but is the country trying to make itself more uncompetitive than it already is.
This news will undoubted help the Australian Toaster Manufacturing Company compete with those cheap $12 Chinese models, I'm certain of it.

An increase in wages is ineffective.
Because such an increase is always offset by an increase in the price of goods.
So wage earners are back to square one.
Any increase in wages must be balanced by a decrease elsewhere.
For example, the government could take control of the price of land.
Land is free for the government to allocate.
Having the cost of services added right at the start might seem legitimate.
But to allow that cost to inflate the price of land for evermore is not.
The price of land and provision of services need to be two separate items.
And perhaps those who pay the upfront cost of services should not pay for ongoing maintenance.
For at least twenty years anyway.
Lower land prices should enable the lowering of rents.
That should lead to the lowering of costs.
The price of land has spiralled absurdly out of control.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars just to have access to a small piece of land is stupid.
Remember the land itself is free.

Hi Ipso Fatso,

"An increase in wages is ineffective.Because such an increase is always offset by an increase in the price of goods"

I would suggest that inflation is generally price driven, and not wage driven. It is relatively easy to increase prices, where as to increase wages is much more difficult, involving long drawn out court cases. The current wage case is based on the past 12 months and what inflationary effect there has been in the economy in that period.

Australia's Public Enemy Number 1: Grace Tame.
it's like been frightened of a goldfish.
Help! the goldfish is going to get me!

When will people wake up to the fact that the economy is very close to hitting the wall due to the immoral imbalance of wealth creating force vs wealth gobbling forces ? When will people realise that ever increasing wages & salaries only result in increasing costs ? The financial & economic "experts" are failing miserably in their jargon waffling predictions. They never offer solutions & only tell us what we already experience. There are simply too many hangers-on yet it's always the Pensioners who, as the lowest cost of all are portrayed as the burden. The real burden are the insanely highly paid, the somewhat less insanely high paid, & the too highly paid in the unproductive sectors of the Public sector. Private productive enterprise is being strangled by too many Government expenses & Taxes & economy sabotaging bureaucratic interference & incompetence. Any new Government's first policy should be to reduce these drains to stimulate the economy. The inexperience & unproven performance of a new administration should not be rewarded with higher salaries than the one voted out. An apprentice doesn't get full pay until they prove themselves & the same should apply to bureaucrats living off the taxpayers ! The many pay rises over the past decades have proven that pay rise do not improve standards in performance or improve revenue. If only One Nation could work on reintroducing common sense & at least some morals because the ALP/LNP have shown us they can't ! A national Service, an immigration based on merit & compatibility will reshape this nation in a more positive way than DEI could ever hope to achieve !

Hi AC,

You may have misunderstood me; "stick em in dog-kennels" what I didn't mention, and I think this will change your mind completely, those dog-kennels will be carpeted, wall to wall. Unfortunately due to the housing shortage in the dog world some will have to share their new abode with our K9 friends, there could be a Bullmastiff or the odd Rottweiler involved. What our old folks will need to remember is "sharing is caring".

As for their old folks ex-houses, perfect accommodation for women and children fleeing Syria, refugees and people let out of immigration detention. Everyone's a winner!

What I really don't like is old farts who get two pension rises a year in line with inflation, from the taxpayer, come on here pontificating how workers who are already struggling should get nothing. You know who they are.

The morally bankrupt keep bleating that the minimum wage workers should get no pay rise according to people with morals. No-one's suggested that. The deliberate false interpretation comes mainly from those with their snout permanently stuck in the public coffers troughs with little or literally no benefit to society let alone the workers. Raising wages parallel to raising inflation & other costs due to incompetent management is not helping the minimum wage earners in vital but totally unappreciated work one iota. Reducing the massive salaries of non-productive bureaucracy will as the funds saved could go towards those low wage earners the gravy train bureaucrats pretend to feel so utterly sorry for.
Why not beef up the Superannuation for low wage earners by 17% ? Or, enable low wage earners to get into salary sacrifice ? Would it not make more economic sense to implement new policies to improve the spending power locally instead of boosting the spending power by the (only in matters of irrelevance) elites overseas ? There's just so much room for improvement for all if only some could muster some moral & common, practical sense ? The next PM should stipulate/advocate a reduction in bureaucrat salaries for those from $200,00/year upwards by staring with 3 or 5% & going up to as much as 20% for $ 800,000 & over. Even then most would still be grossly overpaid but the real life benefits to the economy as a whole would improve for all ! There is no moral, economic justification for the present levels with the present performances/merit of these people !

Hi Paul,
Yes, that changes things.
Pet companionship in later years can be very beneficial for ones mental health, and the wall to wall carpet is luxury only a few ever get to enjoy.

Australia now has a record 178 billionaires, grown almost 10% in one year, with total wealth exceeding $686 Billion, an increase of about $26 billion. Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart, $40 billion, supports Hanson's One Nation party, whose job it is, is to look after the interests of the mega rich by duping the sucker population of mugs and old farts into believing One Nation is out to serve their interest.

Let's take a third or even 50% off this bill to compensate for those Public Servants outside bureaucracy who actually perform vital duties with devotion to the well-being of the Nation.
That still leaves an awful lot of Tax Dollars not being turned into revenue unlike Aunty Gina over in WA who employs a lot of people & their families. How many families get employed by the revenue created by bureaucrats ? Not many is my guess !

Got this from ChatGTP
Australia’s total public sector wages bill is $250 billion a year}. This figure encompasses all levels of government (federal, state, and territory) and includes frontline workers like nurses, teachers, and police.[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The cost breaks down into the following specific areas:

Broad Public Sector (Federal, State, & Local)
• Total Employees: ~2.6 million people.
• Annual Wage Bill: $250 billion).
• State vs. Federal: State governments account for ~77% of public sector employment, meaning the majority of this cost is driven by state-level services like healthcare, education, and public safety. [1, 2, 3]

Federal (Australian Public Service - APS)
At the federal level alone, the government’s operational expenses—including salaries, training, and office spaces—have reached $114.6 { billion} per year. [1]
• Federal Wage Bill: Federal government employee wages account for roughly $37.3 { billion} of the national total.
• Average Salary: The average federal government employee earns over $100,000 a year}. [1]

Number of NON-PRODUCTIVE'S ON AGED WELFARE for the rest of their lives 2,670,000 annual TAXPAYER HANDOUT $62,200,000,000 add in fringe benefits and its $100,000,000,000 AMOUNT OF INCOME TAX PAID $0!

Pensioners are not non-productive, they keep a large slice of the economy going, particularly in country areas. Their pensions are returned into the economy, many bureaucrat salaries are spent on overseas luxuries & travel. Also, the amount of tax blue collar workers contribute is of greater percentage compared to bureaucrat salaries whose Superannuation is topped up by the Taxpayers to the tune of 17% plus salary sacrifice reduces their tax contribution again & for many, negative gearing also reduces their contributions.
No matter how much the hangers-on attempt to pull the wool over our eyes & how much jargon they use to confuse the manipulating of public monies, the fact remains that wage earners & private enterprise contribute a greater percentage to the coffers out of their pay than bureaucrats do from theirs !

Hi Indy,

"Pensioners are not non-productive, they keep a large slice of the economy going"
YES, I have to agree if it wasn't for all those pensioners down at 'Gods Waiting Room' both the gambling and alcohol industries would go broke, yep very productive.

"Their pensions are returned into the economy"
YES, I have to agree, they come out of the productive economy, and they are returned via 'Gods Waiting Room' see previous comment.

they come out of the productive economy
Paul1405,
So, what are you worried about then, you're not losing anything !

Isn't it odd that Paul1405 only remarks on the old age pensioners "handouts" to which they actually contributed all their working lives. Yet, no mention of incompatible non-productive migrants from his side of the family who don't contribute yet take a bigger slice of the welfare cake than anyone. Add to that the alleged NDIS fraud & immigration rackets & the crime that comes with many as an extra, definitely un-needed benefit to Australian society !

Hi Indy,

"the old age pensioners "handouts" to which they actually contributed all their working lives" That is a fallacy, there was no "contribution" towards your aged welfare made by you during your working life. Aged welfare is paid from the taxes collected today. YOU may have had some form of superannuation which YOU would have collected on retirement.
p/s What about people who never worked, or worked a short period only, they also receive aged welfare, at the same rate as those YOU claim "contributed", where was their "contribution"?

where was their "contribution"?
Paul1405,
I have commented on that many times & I find it poor in the extreme of you but unsurprisingly to pick loopholes as a reason to reply. You don't reply to questions put to you in many other posts. it must be eating you up inside not to have answers or have the mentality to come up with relevant replies ! i suppose it can't be easy to reply sensibly when you lack sense ! Just like you won't be able to find a reasonable answer to this question. Where is your contribution ?

That is a fallacy, there was no "contribution" towards your aged welfare made by you during your working life
Paul1405,
No fallacy, there was a 7.5% contribution from every wage packet. The fact that the Uni parties moved the goal posts mid match is not the workers doing.
Also, when it subtly vanished from the deductions, the wage didn't jump back up by 7.5%.
Then, they brought in Superannuation which was primarily targeting public servants as they get most of the benefits from it but they had to include wage earners to make it more acceptable. Yes, Super helped me however, just upping the pension would have done the same if not better for a lot less cost overall. No extra costly bureaucratic involvement required ! The upcoming 4.75% pay rise is already costing workers before they even see the first few Dollars as businesses have to increase their charges to hand the money back to the Government ! Rather futile economics really !

Hi Indy,

In a wealthy society like Australia I believe we can, and should support anyone who for legitimate reasons who can't support themselves, that includes the elderly. That support should be in a way that maximises the living standards of those supported. Agree? Its my view the best way of providing for retirement is through a sustainable national superannuation fund investing in Australia, and not through direct pension payments. There should be a minimum safety net payment of 25% of average weekly earnings which at the moment is about $1,000 fortnight, plus all the fringe benefits PBS, Medicare etc. In fact at one time the goal of the pension was to pay a liveable payment of 25% (AWE), its never been achieved.

Australia is a gold mine, regardless of politics, its a wealth producing nation, and why shouldn't Australians, like you and me, be given every opportunity throughout our working life to invest in that wealth, and see the reward in our retirement. Agree?

The situation today with the Aged Pension is not too bad, but over time, with an rapidly ageing population its not sustainable. The alternative is to have people work longer, and at the same time cut retirement benefits, that's the reality for the future for the elderly if things don't change for the better. Agree?

There is enough money for all services, it just needs to be withheld from those who get most of it for doing literally nothing. The State & Federal bureaucracy is the sponge that sucks the coffers dry, not workers in retirement !

Hi Indy,

You are too harsh on the public service, there is a case for a strong PS as a necessary utility of government. In any large bureaucratic organisation like the PS there is going to be waste through mismanagement and laziness. The vast majority of PS do a good job, they are held to account for what they do, or don't do.

My granddaughter who is turning 21 soon, asked me about superannuation in her job. Was it a good or bad thing, I said good, also wanting to know would that be used as her retirement, I said most likely it will be counted as a part of your retirement. She supports paying tax to aid pensioners, even if one day she doesn't get a government pension herself.

too harsh on the public service
Paul1405,
You know only too well that this refers to the unproductive bureaucracy & not those Public Servants who do their job !
Bureaucrats should not be referred to as Public Servants in the first place as they clearly do not serve nor serve any purpose ! Public Servants are vital, bureaucrats try to make themselves look vital. There are too many who are vital simply to enable the Labor Party to continue, nothing else.
People always nitpick loopholes but never help to close them (ring any bells ?). I personally know many Labor/LNP/ON supporters & I'm convinced that most of them are parasitic & abject to symbiosis.
The difference I see in these parties are their leadership teams & presently, ON seem to show the most integrity & Labor the least & LNP are simply an irrelevant, aimlessly wandering bunch !

ps. At least LNP aren't doing any damage to the Nation apart from costing a lot of money that's obviously wasted !

Imagine Australian bureaucrats doing that for the sake of the Nation !

The Hungarian Parliament unanimously passed a bill slashing lawmakers' monthly base salaries by 40%. Prime Minister Péter Magyar’s pay will be reduced by over 50%, and mobile phone stipends and office allowances are being eliminated. The pay reductions are designed to save the state budget billions of forints.Key details of the pay structure include:Base Salaries: An MP's monthly base salary is being reduced from 2.18 million to 1.31 million forints (approximately $4,300 USD).Prime Minister: PM Magyar’s monthly salary drops from 7.8 million forints to 3.8 million forints (roughly $10,500 USD).State Funding: State funding for political parties is also being scaled back.

Hi Indy,

You say; "Would it not be more sensible to have a 6% pay cut"... "warrant that pay rise"..."I always failed to see the benefits because pay rises invariably bring about increased expenses."

Rather hypocritical of someone who takes two pay rises every year in the form of aged welfare, with zero productivity to be gained, do you not think so?

Rather hypocritical of someone who takes two pay rises every year
Paul1405,
Not hypocritical of me but rather stupid of you to say so! I'd be the first to put up my hand for no increase if nothing else increases either. I'm not the one asking for these increases to make everything else to increase ? The Unions keep demanding more for no increase in productivity, not the Pensioners. Bring down Bureaucrat salaries & business profits & Government charges etc & Pensioners won't need a rise. To suggest Pensioners should go with less whilst the insipid, parasitic Leftists are demanding more just shows what what an insipid, selfish, empathy devoid outfit the Leftists are.
You cause increases, not us Pensioners !

Are pay increases naturally inevitable or are they as a result of mismanaging the economy ?
Who or what are the grounds for pay rises ? Isn't it perfectly natural that when pays go up so do costs ? So, why not stop pay rise & costs will have no reason to increase ?
Should cost increases attract way more scrutiny than just be accepted without scrutiny ? Should it not be a case of one not going up so the other has no excuse to go up ?
Of course this is an extremely simplistic view of looking at it but but should things really be the convoluted manipulation they are ? The system has become pure parasitism with a minute dose of symbiosis just to keep the masses from revolting !

Hi Indy,

" I'd be the first to put up my hand for no increase if nothing else increases either." YOU are big on workers making a sacrifice, no pay increase for them. Well, how about YOU set the ball rolling by returning all those pension increases YOU have received over the past 20 years. Not likely, as you once protested, the pension increase is not enough to buy me an extra schooner, down at gods waiting room!

A lesson in high school economics, INFLATION two kinds.

1. Cost Inflation; Where input costs like raw materials, labour etc are increasing, reducing profit margins, so up goes prices.

2. Demand Inflation; Where demand for good and services are increasing faster than the economy can provide them, so up goes prices.

There is also hyper-inflation cause when a currency loses it value, and the government prints more money. Or the government is borrowing and spending too much. Not something Australia is concerned with.