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You've acknowledged the study is ecological - population-level trends, no linkage between vaccination status and individual deaths.
That matters. Ecological studies can suggest patterns. They don't, by themselves, establish individual-level causation. That's not denialism. It's a standard limitation.
Your logic is:
1. Low COVID circulation
2. Vaccination increased
3. Excess deaths increased
4. Therefore vaccines caused the deaths
That's a temporal sequence. It isn't causal identification.
To move from "after" to "because", you need more than saying other causes were "examined and rejected". You need modelling that actually controls for:
- Age structure shifts (small regions can swing with small absolute changes)
- Healthcare disruption and delayed treatment
- Cause-of-death composition
- Baseline mortality trends
- Precise timing between rollout, outbreaks and reporting lags
Otherwise "natural control group" is a description, not a design.
On the international point: listing vaccination rates next to excess mortality doesn't demonstrate a consistent relationship. The claim you're making requires that higher vaccination independently predicts higher excess mortality once infection waves and demographics are accounted for.
Where is that analysis?
If the conclusion is "near-certainty", there should be a clearly articulated identification strategy - not just temporal alignment.
So again: which part of the paper provides the causal framework strong enough to justify that level of confidence?