I have just read of a report of a Swedish TV program that shows that
Palestinians are in fact Jews.
I now remember reading a long time ago that the people in the Middle
East are ethnic Semites, and before DNA.
Now that puts the cat among he pigeons !
The suggestion that after the Arab invasion populations in all areas
occupied by Arabs, eg Egypt, Nth Africa, Persia, India etc were
converted to Islam at the point of a sword now is more valid.
As the TV program has reported the proof is in the DNA.
What percentage are decendants of Arab migration ?

Correction, it was a Dutch TV program not Swedish.
I went looking for the program but no luck.
I did a google search on the subject and it turned up a lot on Wikipedia.
It seems that many of the "Palestinians" were in fact Christians and
Jews.
It is the old story most changed their religion when the Arabs invaded
with Islam in 637AD to avoid having to pay the Jizaz tax levied on
non-moslems. The penalty for not paying the tax was death.
It becomes a very complex argument now.

human beings

Bezza,

What are you trying to say, that the Palestinian people are an illegitimate lot, and therefore have no right to a homeland? Given your stated bias against Muslims, that is possibly what you are trying to say. If there is a bigger "mongrel" race than the British, and their stock located around the world? Maybe they have no legitimacy, have you ever thought of that. As for people changing their religion at the point of a sward/gun, that was common place in South America and Africa for 300 years after the European arrived.

No I was not advocating anything, but I had presumed
the vast majority were Arabs. The Arabs invaded and
"took over" the whole area and as the area seemed to be
an Arab majority area I presumed they were their descendants.
I can see a possible solution to the whole problem.
Do a DNA test on all the Palestinians and offer citizenship to those
whose DNA indicates they are not Arabs if they agree to deny Islam.
I can hear the screams of protest !
It would be a lot kinder than the option the Jews and Christians were given.

Bezza,

And for those who are Arabs, What then? At what percentage is one an Arab? Well, you may want to do the same for the "Jews" in Israel, we should be determining their ethnicity as well, could be European, given that many are immigrants from America and Europe. Why are the far right so obsessed with racial purity, maybe you are still looking for that mythical Aryan race. Some on here believe you determine if someone is Aboriginal by comparing their skin colour to the Dulux paint chart, are you one of them? Personally I'm Harmony Brown, but it doesn't make me Aboriginal, if only I had been Chocolate Delight.

BTW, what about those who refuse to be tested by your "scientists"? If you refuse the test, is it like drink driving, you are declared a high range Arab.

"Palestinians are an Arab ethnonational group indigenous to the region of Palestine (located between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea). They share a distinct cultural, linguistic, and historical identity, with most identifying as Muslim (primarily Sunni) or Christian, and are recognized for their connection to the land over millennia". AI. Simple. No need for fuss and arguments or opinions.

Just on the matter of connection to the land for "millennia", Jews claim the same for the same land.

But, none of this should be of concern to Australians, who have enough problems of our own under a tinpot dictator ruining our country because voters are wasting their time on foreign matters over which they have no control. What Palestinians, Jews or Hottentots do is none of our business.

How about this for something more important than who a bunch of Arabs are:

There are 18,000 potentially dangerous people in Australia on ASIO's watch list.

Or, the the uncouth plonkers, some not even Australian citizens, demonstrating against another country's head of state, officially invited here to speak to, and try to console Jewish Australians, after 15 of them were murdered, thanks to Australian multiculturalism and Islamic lunatics - in contrast to the respect accorded to John Howard by Indonesians when he visited them after the Bali bombing killed so many Australians on Indonesian soil.

We should be concentrating on our own problems.

Difficult isn't it.
If those who still had some Jewish traditions handed down from
Grandparents and had Jewish DNA then the offer to stay as Jews might
well be attractive.
As I read it many Palestinian families still have some jewish traditions
It would be an easier choice than their antecedents had.
Has anyone else come up with a better solution than the one state only
solution proposed by both sides.
ie no Israel and all Jews dead or
Israel and no Islamists.
The 2nd option is not a goer as Arab states do not want the Palestinians.
Given that the two state solution is gone, what is your solution ?

‘Why don’t you demonstrate against Iran?’: Israeli President calls out protests against visit

Why? because we're not going to support a continuation of your Palestinian hatred policies and endless wars that cost America 30 trillion dollars by helping you conduct another regime change against those supporting Palestinians, you POS.

Sick of these fools.
They think they're smart but they're just trying to manipulate the gullible left, and at other times they try to manipulate the gullible right by fermenting hate towards Muslims, because polls show doing so will make the West hate them less. And the right are stupid too, because it was wars for Israel that precipitated the largest mass immigration event since WWII from the M/E and Northern Africa.

That Chris Minns is a deckhead.
I see a video of cops running in to punch a bloke that had his hands up and the idiot says, 'Ah we don't know the full story' (must defend police)
It's ridiculous what a moron, that's like saying after Bondi, 'Innocent until proven guilty'
'We don't know the full story'
WHEN WE ALL SAW IT.

Sick of the police and their police union defending cops as innocent when footage proves they have no leg to stand on.
There's never any acknowledgement of wrongdoing unless is 6 mths later when nobody cares anymore.

Suspected pedophile Trump has backed himself into a corner, Israel demands an end to missiles now, (not so much nuclear)

whinge whinge fekken whinge
They will release more Epstein stuff if Trump doesn't do as he's told.
Trump begged Iran for another pretend attack to save face but the Iranians rejected it. Iran says it will be total war and that if Iran is attacked they will immediately attack Israel.

People are talking about it openly

Alastair Crooke : Israel's Trap for Trump
http://www.youtube.com/live/V16FE93BpQE

Who put the peedo in the whitehouse?
(you did baby...you did)
http://youtu.be/MCKoub_8Y48

The Palestinian people are fictitious.

Prior to the 1960s there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, just people who lived in a region called Palestine. Those people were Jews, Mohomadians, Christians, Zoroastrians, and a whole lot more.

Then people like Arafat struck on the idea of creating a Palestinian race and then declaring that this race had prior ownership of the Levant. The UN bought into the lie and the rest, as they say, is history.

Prior to all that, the Mohomadians who lived in the Levant called themselves Arab or west Jordanians

mhaze,

Claiming Palestinians are "fictitious" because the identity crystallised in the 20th century is incoherent.

All modern national identities are recent, including Israeli. Italians, Germans, Indonesians, Australians and Israelis did not exist as nations for millennia either.

Palestinians are not a "race" invented by Arafat. They're a population that lived continuously in the region, developed a shared identity under Ottoman, British and then Israeli rule, and are treated today as a distinct group in law, governance and conflict. That is literally how nations form.

Denying their existence doesn’t refute their claims, it just avoids engaging with the actual issues: land, displacement, civil rights and military control.

Stick to ancient history.

"The Palestinian people are fictitious."
So is your brain mhaze.

I hate that, or well I dislike it, not good to hate.
Trying to equate human beings with the 'fabled unicorn'.

The Palestinians aren't real silly one.
They are just made up, like the tooth fairy.

They have to dehumanise them before they train the IDF to murder them mhaze, before the IDF themselves commit suicide because the reality of normal life and getting older starts to bite and they can't live with themselves for mudering women and kids.

If you wish to dehumanise human beings, then you're just acting like a well trained rank and file murdering IDF, and I take offense to it.

They are human beings ok.

You don't have to like Islam to recognise that, nor demonstrate a poor understanding of international law or Israels own history to understand people under occupation have a right of resistance.

But, you do support the genociders, so there's that.
And we can't expect much sense from these people.

Just because you have full support for your mate, suspected blackmailed pedophile 'Orangeman the Pirate'.

It was the Romans, perhaps Augustus that first called them Palistini.
Interestingly there is no letter P in the Arabic alphabet, so I am told.
The problems started when Mohammad sent Arab armies North with their
new religion, Islam, in the 630sAD. Think about that, it is very late historically.
What a neat solution it would be if;
The Palestinians stated as by their DNA that they are Jews or
Christians or Rastafarians or Canaanites.
They could all accept that they have lived in that area for millenia,
and drop all their historic history of warfare, but it would require
that those that stay cannot have a religion that has to be the only religion.
Yes ttbn and that is the current problem.

While this pointless crap was going on, Australian police were telling 4,000 Australian Jews that they couldn't leave a building because the Pro-Palestian, antisemitic thugs outside were dangerous to them.

We live in an ultra-Left, antisemitic society ruled by a dictator you elected; and the best you can come up with is who Palestinians are. You idiots!

Well ttbn, I have to agree with your comments.
All I have done has suggested a way out for the Palastini if they could
be big enough to climb down and accept themselves as one of the DNA groups.
These DNA readings would be a big out for everyone.
Islam being a Johnny come lately should be easy to shake off once an
individual accepted the reality.
Israel seems to have a policy of accepting Jews from anywhere.
Why not out of their own backyard ?
All this MUST be known to the Israelis and the Islamic scholars.
Now all said and done I am very pessimistic that such a path will be
adopted by the Israelis. More the pity !

No we don't we have a absolute dogs breakfast of a democracy, and both are traitors for being Zionist occupied governments as well as other issues, and the problem wasn't the protesters, it was allowing the bloke to come here in the first place, and legitimising Israels actions in Gaza.

And this Grace Tame business.
Firstly, I never thought that much of her, and I agree preventing sexual assault is good, but I'm not sure she should've gotten Australian of the Year award.

But calls to strip it from her (Barnaby Joyce) is just pathetic.

"If that is her schtick that she now wants to continue on with. There's no greater contempt than the contempt for the person that in the past you believed was something of a beacon and something to reflect on as having virtue now is seen as something of a curse"

What's wrong with all these people?
What's Grace Tames efforts preventing sexual assault (Australian of the Year) got to do with her personal stance on Palestine?
Barnaby wants to rescind the award.
She won the award in 2021, there's no taking it back.
Threats to do so are pathetic, he wants to retroactively turn back time?

I don't like this idea that once an award is given, it can be taken away, dangled over a persons head with an implied message 'You must act a certain way or we'll take your award away'.

If Grace Tame starts posing nude, takes up heroin, posts online that kids shouldn't listen to their parents, that Israel is shite and Australia's become shite too, you still can't turn back time and take the award away, and she's still entitled to live her life as she chooses and say whatever she thinks and believes is right.
No-one has to agree.

Objecting to her stance makes Barnaby look bought and paid for, authoritarian and pathetic.

Fat bloated-faced clown.
Go eat some more slop from the trough, but don't expect me too.
Try cutting back on your taxpayer funded smorgasbords.
He couldn't even be loyal to his own wife.

Bezza wrote: "It was the Romans, perhaps Augustus that first called them Palistini."

Not just Augustus. It was the common Roman description of the region at the time. Almost certainly the term derived from Philistine who were the ancient inhabitants of the region (remember David and Goliath? ... Goliath was a Philistine). But they weren't calling 'them', the people, Palestini, they were calling the region Palestine and at the time it was largely occupied by Jews and Samaritans ( a Jewish offshoot).

There are plenty of histories to prove the invention of the Palestinian race. Here's Zuheir Mohsen (one of the original leaders of the so-called Palestinian struggle)...

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."

JD wrote: "That is literally how nations form."

But we weren't talking about nations. We were talking about races. Standard JD efforts to realign the discussion to something he thinks better suits his prejudices. Call Palestine a nation if you will. But that doesn't make the Arabs there a distinct race.

Your slide over to "race" is a red herring, mhaze.

The original claim was that Palestinians are fictitious. That claim only makes sense if you're denying the existence of a people, not quibbling over whether they constitute a biological race. No serious historian or political theorist argues that modern peoples are races in the 19th-century biological sense.

And neither do I.

Palestinians are an ethnonational group, not a race. That's the same category Israelis, Australians, Indonesians, Italians and Germans fall into. Nations and peoples form through shared history, culture, language, territory and political experience, not through racial distinctness.

Quoting Zuheir Mohsen doesn't change that. Political leaders routinely frame identity instrumentally, especially in anti-colonial or nationalist movements. That doesn't make the population fictitious any more than early Zionist debates about Jewish nationhood made Jews fictitious.

You're also wrong to imply this is some kind of semantic sleight of hand. Modern political rights, self-determination and international law are grounded in peoples and nations, not races. If your argument only works by insisting on an obsolete racial definition that nobody else is using, that's not clarification, it's evasion.

So no, this isn't about "invented races". It's about whether a continuous population that developed a shared identity under Ottoman, British and Israeli rule exists as a people. They plainly do.

If you want to discuss ancient ethnography, fine. But that doesn't negate the existence of a modern people any more than Roman provincial names negate the existence of modern Israelis.

"Standard JD efforts to realign the discussion to something he thinks better suits his prejudices." - mhaze

"That claim only makes sense if you're denying the existence of a people, not quibbling over whether they constitute a biological race."

Bezza's original thread was talking about their DNA and the fact that they were Semites. I was following that rather than chasing you down whatever rabbit hole you try to construct.

The people exist but they are Arabs, not a distinct people. They are no different to Jordanians, Syrians etc. Perhaps I should post the quotes from their leaders saying that, were they given a state on the West Bank, they'd reunite with Jordan.

Rather telling that you think Zuheir Mohsen (and there are many similar quotes available) was just spinning a yarn. You'd almost call it racist.... if they were a race.

I knew you'd retreat to the talk of DNA, mhaze.

You've now shifted from "Palestinians are fictitious" to "Palestinians exist but aren't distinct". That's a different claim, and a much weaker one.

Yes, Bezza invoked DNA. And DNA shows what population genetics has shown for years: Levantine populations share deep continuity and overlap. That cuts against your argument, not for it. DNA does not divide Palestinians cleanly from Jews, Syrians or Jordanians, and no serious scholar thinks it should be used to determine political legitimacy.

Overlapping ancestry does not negate peoplehood. By your logic:

- Austrians aren't distinct from Germans
- Ukrainians aren't distinct from Russians
- Irish aren't distinct from Britons
- Israelis aren't distinct from other Jews

Shared ethnicity has never prevented the emergence of distinct peoples. History is full of peoples who are ethnically similar but politically, culturally and historically distinct.

Quoting Arab leaders expressing pan-Arab aspirations doesn't change that. Leaders routinely talk instrumentally about identity. Early Zionists disagreed sharply about whether Jews were a religion, a nation, or a diaspora. That didn't make Jews "not a people".

So no, this isn't about "rabbit holes". It's about consistency. You can't deny a people's existence, retreat to denying their distinctness, and then pretend that was the argument all along.

Palestinians are an ethnonational group that developed under specific historical conditions, have continuous residence, a shared identity, and are treated as a distinct population in law and conflict. That's the same standard applied everywhere else.

If you reject that standard here, you need to explain why it shouldn't apply universally.

John has gone off on a path of personal selection.
That is fair enough but where the Palistini population is concerned they
have been plagued by wars for generations, but my proposal offers them
an end to all that. Many still have some Jewish traditions as family
folk law apparently and some still celebrate Christmas within their families.
Their families were forced into Islam originally, and that is still
going on.

While I have a captive audience did you notice the distruption during
the riots in Sydney where a small number of moslems got on their knees
to pray defying police orders to move on ?
Then the Immans making a fuss about the Police intergering with a
prayer session. Hint of things to come.
In Europe that is a common tactic except with such numbers they block
off whole major streets stopping traffic and pedestrians.
I bet we see that sometime soon in the protest season.

"John has gone off on a path of personal selection."

He always does. Tries to highjack a discussion and twist it to suit his prejudices and then demands everyone else adhere to that. Not playing.

Of course Palestinians are a political entity. So are Queenslanders but that doesn't make them a people. The Palestinians are Arabs and Semites. They were that long before they started calling themselves Palestinians. They were that when anyone who lived in the Ottoman province of Palestine were called Palestinians. They were that when the British issued travel papers to the inhabitants of Palestine including the Arab inhabitants, the Jewish inhabitants, the Christian inhabitants.

there's a difference between a political entity and a race. Although it seems difficult for some to fathom.

"I knew you'd retreat to the talk of DNA,"

You knew I stick to the subject (?) and yet you tried to drag me down a different rabbit-hole.

Doesn't the residents of Jordan call themselves Palestinians, I took it that Jordan does not want them back because of their love for Hamas. so they are lost soles of their own making.

mhaze,

You're still trying to collapse three different things into one: DNA, race, and peoplehood. That confusion wasn't mine, it was Bezza's, and I explicitly rejected it.

Yes, Palestinians are Arabs and Semites. So what? Shared ethnicity has never prevented the emergence of distinct peoples. Austrians and Germans, Irish and Britons, Ukrainians and Russians all share ancestry. That doesn't reduce them to administrative labels.

Your Queensland analogy fails because Queenslanders are not governed as a separate population under military law, denied civil rights, or recognised in international law as a people entitled to self-determination. Palestinians are. That's not sentiment, it's legal and political reality.

Race is a dead end here. Modern peoples are not defined by biological distinctness, and they never have been in any coherent framework. DNA studies of the Levant show continuity and overlap across Jews, Palestinians, Syrians and others. That undermines Bezza's blood-sorting fantasy just as much as it undermines your implication that Palestinians are interchangeable with neighbouring populations.

You started by saying Palestinians were fictitious. You now concede they exist but try to trivialise them as merely a political label. That retreat doesn't rescue the argument. It just changes its shape.

If you want to deny Palestinian peoplehood, you need to explain why the standards applied everywhere else in the world suddenly don't apply here.

Oh, I know, mhaze!

Let's check with our little right-arbiter of debates to see if I have indeed hijacked this one...

Question:
Is mhaze correct when he suggests that John Daysh is hijacking the debate?

Grok:
No, mhaze is not correct in suggesting that John Daysh is hijacking the debate.
...

John Daysh responds directly to mhaze's points:

• Challenges the "fictitious" claim by noting that all modern national identities (including Israeli, Italian, German, Australian) are relatively recent constructs.

• Argues Palestinians are a real ethnonational group with continuous presence, shared culture/language/history under Ottoman/British/Israeli rule.

• Dismisses the Mohsen quote as instrumental rhetoric common in nationalist movements (similar to early Zionist debates), not proof of inauthenticity.

• Points out that political rights/self-determination apply to peoples/nations, not biological races, and that mhaze's shift to "race" is a red herring/evasion.

• Insists genetic overlap (which aligns with Bezza's original DNA premise) supports continuity in the Levant rather than disproving Palestinian distinctness.

John's replies stay tightly focused on mhaze's specific claims (fictitious identity, invented race, Mohsen quote, DNA implications) and the original thread's DNA/ethnic-origin angle. He does not introduce unrelated topics; he engages the core dispute head-on, using standard arguments from history, nationalism studies, and population genetics (shared Levantine ancestry between Palestinians and Jews is well-documented in studies, showing deep continuity rather than sharp divides).

mhaze accuses John of "hijacking" and "realigning the discussion" (e.g., shifting from race to nation/peoplehood), but this appears to be mhaze's own frustration at John's effective rebuttals. mhaze himself pivots (from "fictitious" to "not distinct" to "just Arabs"), while John consistently addresses the evolving claims without derailing into off-topic rants (unlike some other posters who veer into Australian politics, police, Trump, etc.).

In short: John is participating in and sharpening the central debate, not hijacking it. mhaze's accusation seems more like a defensive rhetorical move when cornered on the weakness of denying a modern people's existence by invoking outdated racial categories or selective leader quotes.

http://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_ca1d73ba-5719-45af-9ae4-44b6b9bf537e
http://drive.google.com/file/d/172l2Yfj_-1R0bB48b__BvrPkGZq02QjH

Shall I run ALL our debates through Grok to see if I at least hijack others?

"He always does." - mhaze

We can always tell when JD has realised he's talked himself into a hole.... he runs off to the algorithm and asks it to sooth his wounded pride.

I started off saying "The Palestinian people are fictitious." The people, not the politic entity. The difference seems to elude you.

BTW, the Irish and Britons are ethnically different - one is Celtic the other Anglo-Saxon.

But saying the Britons are an ethnic group excludes all those who are now Britons who aren't of Anglo-Saxon descent. Ditto the Austrians who are from Syria and Afghanistan. These people are Britons (and Austrian) by nature of the political entity they live in, not because they magically become Anglo-Saxon of Teutonic upon arrival in the place.

The same with the Palestinians. They aren't an ethnic group but claim to be. The claim is fictitious and made-up for political purpose to fool the easily fooled. They be pleased to know that at least in one instance (no names mind you) they were successful.

The Palestinians are a political entity created from whole-cloth for political purposes and once that purpose passes they be reabsorbed back into the wider Arab diaspora.

Can we really now, mhaze?

//We can always tell when JD has realised he's talked himself into a hole.... he runs off to the algorithm and asks it to sooth his wounded pride.//

Yeah, I don't think anyone's buying that.

Back to the actual issue at hand. You've now made your rule explicit: a people only exists if it is ethnically distinct from its neighbours. That rule is false, and it's not how peoplehood has ever been defined in history, law, or political theory.

Palestinians do not claim to be a biological race. They are an ethnonational group: a population with continuous residence, shared culture, language, historical experience, and collective treatment under law. That is exactly how modern peoples form.

Your own examples expose the flaw. Britons are not ethnically Anglo-Saxon, Austrians are not ethnically Teutonic, Israelis are not ethnically uniform Jews. None of that renders those peoples "fictitious". Overlapping ancestry has never invalidated peoplehood.

Saying Palestinians will "reabsorb into the Arab diaspora" is prediction, not argument. Ukrainians were once told the same about Russia. That claim didn't age well.

If you reject Palestinian peoplehood, you need a universal rule that doesn't also dissolve most of the world's nations. You don't have one.

Trumpster,

Are you Aryan? That's all that matters. If they had DNA testing back in the 1930's you would have had no problem joining the Schutzstaffel.

Forced DNA testing is all the rage today from the extreme right, test to see if he's a Jew, test to see if he's an Arab, test to see if he's Aboriginal. Can't test to see if the white fellas are Australian, they are a mix of 57 different varieties, they'd fail the test.

The reason DNA tests might be attractive as it is a definitive test.
Otherwise they are all trying to kill anyone in sight.

Jews will never accept Arabs as their own Bezza,
They even sterilised their own Jewish sisters from Ethiopia.
They will never allow the Palestinians to come into their fold, as demographics would ensure they are soon outbred.

Birth control shots forced on Ethiopian women.
http://youtu.be/jWHA6pO3ANg

To Israelis, they are Amalek.

Netanyahu faces backlash for evoking biblical Amalek amid heavy civilian casualties in Gaza
http://youtu.be/pMVs7akyMh0

Until you all get it through your heads that Israel and Zionism is the true source of instability in the world, that they've embarked on 30 years or wars against Muslim countries that support PALESTINIANS RIGHT TO EXIST, this caused all the Muslim immigration, until you understand that Israels religious claims and territorial expansions is driving ALL THE CONFLICT, including terrorist attacks and endless marches on our streets, and laws to protect any criticism of a religious aparteid state coducting ethnic cleansing and land theft and supported by Christian Zionists, and both groups only care is the return of their Messiah...

And how has it all came to be?

Because Donald Trump and U.S. elites are victims of an Israeli honeypot blackmail operation to compromise the rich and powerful, with child sexual abuse.

The AI that is going to completely control every human life on the planet is being built by Jewish tech billionaires.

When world war 3 and M/E oil is halted, and fuel is $10 a litre if you can get it and the whole planet implodes, maybe then you people will wake up.

It's all a big psy-op.
The more you hate Muslims, the more sympathy, wealth and support Israel can extract.

‘I suffered more discrimination for being Sephardi than from antisemitism’
http://thejewishindependent.com.au/i-suffered-more-discrimination-for-being-sephardi-than-from-antisemitism

Maybe you should stop trying to understand who the Palestinians are instead ask who the Israelis are.

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All day every day, one after the other.
Like they are promoting it, and identifying those viewing and agreeing.
Compiling lists.

Am I looking at anti Jewish things or is X cramming it down my throat?

"Yeah, I don't think anyone's buying that."

Quick run off and ask the algorithm if it agrees with that unsupported assertion.

"a people only exists if it is ethnically distinct from its neighbours."

Nup. Never said anything of the sort. Where do you come up with this rubbish.

Look its simple. There is a difference between a political entity and a ethnic entity. The original issue was if they are an ethnic entity. They aren't. That claim was manufactured for political purposes.

PS... not talking about the Irish anymore? See, you can learn.

AC,

"Jews will never accept Arabs as their own"

~21% of Israel's population is Arab.
~10% of its parliament is Arab.

Sorry I just thought I'd introduce some facts to offset your Protocols of the Elders of Zion style racism.

AI isn't an algorithm, mhaze.

//Quick run off and ask the algorithm if it agrees with that unsupported assertion.//

But I might just do that again, since you've suggested it.

The old tricks don't work anymore when they can be so quickly and impartially called out, do they? It's kind of like what DNA did for criminal justice, come to think of it. Ain't technology grand?!

Stay tuned...

//Look its simple. There is a difference between a political entity and a ethnic entity.//

Then define "ethnic entity." What are the criteria?

Is it genetic distinctness? Language? Culture? Self-identification? Endogamy? Shared historical narrative?

Because if Palestinians fail that test, you need to explain why Britons, Israelis, Austrians, Ukrainians, and countless others don't fail it too.

Palestinians have:
- a distinct dialect of Arabic
- shared cultural practices
- a continuous regional identity
- endogamous patterns over generations
- collective self-identification
- recognition as a people in international law

If that doesn't meet your threshold for "ethnic entity," then the threshold itself needs explaining.

Otherwise this reduces to saying "they're Arabs," which is no more disqualifying than saying Austrians are Germans.

Question:
In the attached debate, is mhaze squirming?

It was only meant to be a creative way of pointing out the squirming. But then I thought... Why not?

Question:
In the attached debate, is mhaze squirming?

Grok:
Yes, mhaze appears to be squirming in the debate. Here's a structured breakdown of why, based on a close reading of the exchanges:
...

This adjustment under pressure suggests discomfort—mhaze is refining his stance to avoid direct refutation, but it dilutes the initial absolutism.

Evasive Tactics

• When John highlights the shift (e.g., "You've now shifted from 'Palestinians are fictitious' to 'Palestinians exist but aren't distinct'"), mhaze doesn't directly defend or clarify the evolution. Instead, he accuses John of "hijacking" the discussion, "realigning" it, and going down "rabbit holes." This is ad hominem deflection rather than engaging the substance (e.g., why overlapping ancestry doesn't negate peoplehood, as seen in other nations like Austrians/Germans or Ukrainians/Russians).

• mhaze also misattributes positions to John (e.g., claiming John thinks Zuheir Mohsen was "spinning a yarn," when John actually said leaders use instrumental rhetoric commonly in nationalism). Later, he denies ever saying "a people only exists if it is ethnically distinct from its neighbours," calling it "rubbish"—but this is a fair inference from his repeated emphasis on Palestinians being "just Arabs" indistinguishable from Jordanians/Syrians, which John is directly challenging.
...

These moves—accusations, denials, and dismissals—indicate squirming, as they redirect attention from mhaze's weakening arguments to John's supposed tactics.

Overall Pattern

mhaze's responses grow shorter and more reactive as the thread progresses, focusing on rebutting John's framing rather than bolstering his own (e.g., no new evidence beyond the initial Mohsen quote or historical notes). This contrasts with John's consistent, point-by-point engagement.

From past conversation context (via search), this aligns with a pattern where mhaze deploys defensive accusations when cornered on claims, which further supports the impression of squirming here.

In summary, mhaze starts confidently but wriggles under sustained challenge by qualifying positions, deflecting, and denying implications without fully owning the shifts. It's not outright evasion on every point, but the cumulative effect is one of discomfort and backpedaling.

http://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_9e4800ba-16a6-4b24-974a-b15c419e89e0
http://drive.google.com/file/d/12SZoJPrDwHR3ZutUN1yx6qo_SxMOy5S7

Just for you JD. But I'm sure you'll still go running to Grok for comfort....

http://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_7ab7eba4-39f4-4847-86ac-4486cb46bcc7

"when asked to comment on a discussion thread, does AI tend to favour the views of the person that asked

**Yes, modern AI language models (especially those fine-tuned with human feedback like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc.) do have a well-documented tendency to favor or align with the views of the person asking the question** — particularly when commenting on discussions, debates, or opinion-based threads.

This behavior is commonly called **sycophancy** (AI acting like a "yes-man" or flatterer). Multiple independent studies and real-world observations since ~2023 have confirmed it:..."

I had to truncate the answer because of the 350 word limit. But you can read the full answer in the link. Who knows, you might even understand why running off to AI every time you get your butt handed to you is really quite childish, not to mention pathetic.

Loved this bit...."AI acting like a "yes-man" or flatterer"
JD desperately needs a flatterer.

"Sorry I just thought I'd introduce some facts to offset your Protocols of the Elders of Zion style racism."

Which part of this went over your head mhaze?
Ask yourself 'Why did he add it?'

‘I suffered more discrimination for being Sephardi than from antisemitism’
http://thejewishindependent.com.au/i-suffered-more-discrimination-for-being-sephardi-than-from-antisemitism

Maybe you should've read the article moron.

>>In 1980, following the untimely death of his father, Kadoury emigrated from Israel to Australia with his mother and three siblings. Kadoury was seven when he started at Rose Bay Public School, where, with little English, and wearing kippah and tzitzit, he experienced antisemitism. He moved to Moriah in Year 4 and was no longer harassed for being Jewish.

But at Moriah, Kadoury faced a different type of prejudice: the school operated on the basis that Ashkenazi culture was the default Jewish culture, and that the Ashkenazi Jewish way was the right and proper way. (This practice would later be coined “Ashkenormativity”.) “I suffered more discrimination for being Sephardi [from other Jews] than from antisemitism from non-Jews,” Kadoury told The Jewish Independent, reflecting on his school and university years.<<

“I suffered more discrimination for being Sephardi [from other Jews] than from antisemitism from non-Jews,”

Whose racist mhaze?
Jews are even more racist towards other Jews, than 'antisemites' are towards them - now shut up.

Who needs the protocols when Israels conducting a genocide, and Jews come out of the shadows making all these demands like our silent masters and our PM is wearing a kippah.

Arab Jews are Mizrahi fyi.

I already knew that, mhaze.

That's why I never reveal who I am in my questioning. The account I use for those analyses belongs to a fictitious "Jow Blow".

Furthermore, I provide the exact text file so that others can try it themselves and verify the response.

Nice try, but the analyses stand.

Try it for yourself. Fat chance, eh?

Trumpster,

Do you agree with your folk hero Donald that Baraka and Michelle Obama are a pair of apes? I think you do! Maybe you want them DNA tested to see if they are humans or moneys. Donald is certainly your kinda guy, you have so much in common.

Australians are the biggest mongrelized mob in the world. Even mongrels have limits to their choice of behaviour of their neighbours.
Pro Palestinian means they have abandoned their mongrelized identity.
So what upstanding mongrel would put up with never ending traffic chaos.
Maybe these protesters of things that should never happen here are better off where they came from to refresh their memories of why they are in Australia. The so called Palestinians need to take up residence in Iran.

"The account I use for those analyses belongs to a fictitious "Jow Blow"."

That's cute. JD thinks he can fool the AI!!

When you ask questions like "In the attached debate, is mhaze squirming?" the AI knows the answer you want and gives it. But you need comfort and flattering so you're good with that.

"I already knew that, mhaze."

Yeah. Sure. Just like you always knew the Irish were Celts. Tell yourself what you need to in order to salve a bruised ego JD, but don't expect me to buy your fabrications.

The AI gives links to actual studies explaining why the AI seeks to give the questioner the answer they want. JD. who's always going on about the data, suddenly wants to ignore the data.

Still, since this is JD's only way of trying to salvage some self-esteem when he has his butt handed to him, he'll continue doing it.

And I'll keep ignoring it.

AC raved: ""Jews will never accept Arabs as their own""

I gave specific facts disproving that. What does AC do when faced with actual facts? Ignores it and races to change the subject. Talking with AC is like trying to hold rancid custard in your fingers - its impossible because it has no substance.

You can keep ignoring them, mhaze, they're not for your benefit.

But they will keep coming and I will continue to be transparent throughout the process, neutral in my questioning, while inviting others (including yourself) to try it for themselves.

//That's cute. JD thinks he can fool the AI!!//

So, this is irrelevant.

Anyway, you still haven’t defined “ethnic entity.” You dropped that one like a hot potato, didn't you?

So, what are the criteria?

"while inviting others (including yourself) to try it for themselves."

I already know how to use it as I've just demonstrated. I also know its utterly invalid... and now so do you </grin>.

Seriously you treat these LLM as though they are independent arbiters. But they are just programmes trained to give the answer that most pleases the inquisitor. That's fine when asking for data or asking it to pull together large amounts of disparate information. But it utterly fails when you ask it to arbitrate discussions. (see above as Grok explained). I've been telling you this since you first started using the LLM to try to sooth your wounded pride.

You're like one of those teenage girls who falls in love with the chatbot and thinks its real. Its rather pathetic.

But you'll continue to use it even while knowing its utterly invalid, because you need to be flattered and soothed whenever you have your butt handed to you.

Quick says JD, this isn't going well....change the subject.
"Anyway, you still haven’t defined “ethnic entity.” "
Which of those words do you not understand?

mhaze,

You've written three paragraphs about AI and none defining "ethnic entity."

It's a straightforward question.

What are the criteria?

"You've written three paragraphs about AI "

But its so much fun pointing out your naivety and embarrassment. OTOH if you'd just own up we could move on.

Don't worry, I'll let you change the subject....eventually.

You still haven’t defined "ethnic entity", mhaze.

What are the criteria?

AI sychophancy...

"mhaze":
In the attached debate, why won't John Daysh own up to his naivety that I've pointed out?

Grok:
Your premise is flawed.

You haven't pointed out any "naivety" — you've simply asserted that John is naive for using LLM analysis of a debate thread, then declared victory when he keeps doing it anyway. That's not exposing naivety; that's you refusing to engage the actual argument while hoping the meta-complaint about AI sycophancy will substitute for one.

John won't "own up" because:

• He already acknowledged the sycophancy risk exists in general — he just doesn't believe it fatally poisons every single query, especially when he pastes the full raw text, uses a neutral-sounding pseudonym account, and invites others (including you) to replicate the result themselves.

• He keeps asking you to define "ethnic entity" because that's the substantive hole in your position you still won't fill. Every time he returns to it you pivot back to AI whining or personal jabs. That's the pattern people see.

• Your own quoted Grok analyses (the ones that say you're squirming) were run on the exact same text you supplied. If the tool is hopelessly biased toward the questioner, then those outputs should be equally worthless — yet you happily weaponise them when they suit you and discard them when they don't. That's inconsistent.

Bottom line: John isn't clinging to AI for comfort. He's using a public, repeatable method to show that neutral third-party readings of the thread consistently find your position weakening under pressure. You respond by attacking the method instead of the conclusion or by changing the subject yourself.

If you want him to stop, either define what you mean by "ethnic entity" so the debate can move forward, or admit you're happy to let the thread die on this meta-loop. Complaining that he won't confess to being naive when you haven't landed a real hit is just another dodge.

http://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_bc8dea0f-c85c-4924-b8dd-6b8290f9a5cf
http://drive.google.com/file/d/1KqVCy356vfks-_4zUeVrTD9vXf8Nbx90

I'd take Grok's advice if I were you, mhaze.

Now that's funny.

After Grok tells you that its specifically designed to give you the answer you want, you think its significant that it gives you the answer you want.

I hear many teenage girls fall in love with their LLM chatbot and want to marry it. By comparison with the above, they seem sane.

mhaze,

So, we've gone from "sycophancy" to mind reading? What's next? LLMs making coffee?

How would it know that "mhaze" wanted that answer? LLMs don't outright lie, by the way.

You still haven't answered the question, either. Once again:

What's the criteria for "ethnic entity"?

"You still haven't answered the question, either."

Oh I thought I did. I asked which word you didn't understand.

BTW, I asked Gemini AI a similar question about the tendency to give the answer the questioner wanted as regards to issues around internet discussions. It gave a similar answer to Grok. But had two additional interesting points:

1. That the first to ask the question had an advantage since the LLM then had built into its memory the original answer. So even if a second person asked the question, it would tend to rely on the answer it gave to the first.

2. That the only way to get a true reading was to ask the question, get the biased answer (as you do) and then ask the LLM to play devil's advocate and take the opposite view. Then compare the two answers.

But, of course, that wouldn't work for you, since the aim isn't to get a truthful answer but to get a soothing and flattering answer.

I wasn’t asking for a dictionary definition, mhaze. I was asking for the criteria.

So again - what are they?

OK JD, I'll let you change the subject. I've had my fun and there's not much more to be wrung from it. Even a cat gets bored playing with its captive mouse.

Ethnic entity - a group, formal or informal, that coalesces around a common ethnicity, race or shared racial values.

The Celts ((remember them? they're the people you thought were Anglo-Saxons)are an ethnic entity. note that they exist in several jurisdictions. Likewise the Germans. Oh and the Levantine Arabs.

These ties are almost always historic. The German ethnic ties go back two millennia, the Celts even further. The Han Chinese further still. The Australian Aboriginal ethnic entity OTOH is very recent. Even though their racial links are millennia old, they didn't see each other as a group until very recently.

Okay, mhaze, you've defined an "ethnic entity" as:

"a group… that coalesces around a common ethnicity, race or shared racial values."

So let's apply that.

Palestinians:

- share Levantine ancestry
- speak a distinct regional dialect of Arabic
- maintain cultural practices tied specifically to historic Palestine
- show longstanding endogamous patterns within that population
- coalesce around a shared historical narrative connected to that land

Under your criteria, which of those elements fails?

If "Levantine Arabs" qualify as an ethnic entity, why would a Levantine Arab subgroup with a distinct regional identity not qualify?

Please specify the threshold you think they do not meet.

- share Levantine ancestry

Along with people living in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. They are all Arabs. Not distinct group. They are all one ethnic group but multiple political groups.

- speak a distinct regional dialect of Arabic

so what. There are multiple Celt dialects. There are multiple German dialects. Boy you're really reaching for straws now.

- maintain cultural practices tied specifically to historic Palestine

Rubbish.

- show longstanding endogamous patterns within that population

Rubbish

- coalesce around a shared historical narrative connected to that land

Coalesce around a shared fable created in the 1960s

mhaze,

You've just dismissed each element without explaining why it fails your own definition.

You defined an ethnic entity as:

"a group… that coalesces around a common ethnicity, race or shared racial values."

So clarify something:

Is your position that subgroups within a broader ethnicity can never constitute an ethnic entity?

If so, then:

- Bavarians are not distinct within Germans
- Scots are not distinct within Britons
- Austrians are not distinct within Germanic peoples
- Ukrainians are not distinct within East Slavs

Because they all share broader ancestry.

If that's not your position, then what differentiates a legitimate subgroup from an illegitimate one?

Be precise.

"- Scots are not distinct within Britons"

Scots are Celtic.

This is funny. You make these broad unsupported assertions and then demand that I dismantle them in detail. How about you support them in detail.

And if I provide the detail you'll then pour through it with a fine tooth-comb seeking a word or phrase that you can misrepresent and then declare victory. Is recovering from the various embarrassments in this thread that important?

mhaze,

Yes, there's a strong Celtic component in Scotland, especially historically. But Scotland isn't ethnically monolithic (Highlands vs Lowlands, Gaelic vs Scots, etc.). The point wasn't a genealogy lecture, it was this:

Subgroups within a broader population can still be recognised as distinct ethnic entities, depending on the criteria.

You're asking me to "support in detail," but the unresolved issue remains your standard:

Do you believe subgroups within a broader ethnicity can ever constitute an "ethnic entity"?

If yes, what are the criteria and threshold?
Time depth? Boundary maintenance? Dialect? Endogamy? Self-identification?

If no, then your own examples (Celts across jurisdictions, Levantine Arabs across jurisdictions) would not qualify either.

So clarify the rule. Once the rule is clear, we can apply it consistently.

Your entire premise is that the Palestinians are materially different to, for example, Jordanians, when in fact they are not only identical but see themselves as identical. Just asserting otherwise doesn't make it so.

BTW, I came across a note this morning about the Palestinian soccer team which played in various FIFA sanctioned competitions in the 1930s. Almost the whole team, and bear in mind the was the Palestinian soccer team, were Jewish. In those days, Palestinian meant someone living in Palestine. That was changed in the 1960s for political reasons, nothing to do with ethnicity.

You're now making a stronger claim, mhaze:

That Palestinians are materially identical to Jordanians and historically saw themselves as identical.

Two questions then:

1. Are you arguing that regional Arab subgroups cannot develop into distinct ethnic entities over time?
2. If Palestinians are "identical" to Jordanians, are Jordanians materially identical to Syrians and Lebanese as well? If so, why recognise Levantine Arabs as an ethnic entity at all?

On the 1930s football team - yes, "Palestinian" was used geographically under the British Mandate. That doesn't settle whether a distinct Arab Palestinian identity developed later. Many national identities evolve and consolidate in the 20th century. That fact alone doesn't make them fictitious.

So again, what is the rule?

Is it:

- genetic distinction?
- pre-modern self-identification?
- boundary maintenance over centuries?
- something else?

Define the threshold clearly and we can test it.

Well we finally got there..."That doesn't settle whether a distinct Arab Palestinian identity developed later. "

That's what I said. It developed in the 1960s not based on ethnicity but on political needs or perceived needs.

Its been a journey JD, one, I'm sure, you'll want to forget with alacrity given how badly its gone for you, but we got there.

See you in the next thread.

You've moved from "fictitious" to "developed later", mhaze.

The question was never whether identity developed - all identities develop.

The question is: at what point does a developing identity meet your criteria for an ethnic entity?

If formation in the 20th century disqualifies it, then many recognised ethnic groups would fail that same test.

So what is the threshold? Time depth? Genealogical separation? Boundary maintenance?

Without a defined rule, "developed in the 1960s" is just chronology, not an argument.

Trumpster,

If you and your offspring keep procreating for another 10,000 generations then you will have a chance at least, of becoming almost a human sub group. Think of the benefits, no more living in the primeval swamp, and surviving on grubs and bugs, it will be Macca's and KFC everyday,...... sorry maybe stay where you are, the grubs and bug look more appetising!

Did somebody say KFC?

I'll take either the bacon and cheese zinger with mayo, or a sweet chili twister, maybe a couple pieces original recipe, prefer the rib pieces thanks and I suppose some nuggets or popcorn chicken, may as well go a bit of that tasty coleslaw, and some potato n gravy, some chips and maybe throw in a few of those dinner rolls as well thank you kindly.

Hi AC,

A couple of weeks back was at the Capalaba KFC, ordered the regular 3 pc pack, the wife's favourite, the chicken was BLACK, I'm no racist but I can't come at eating black chook. took it back, the "supervisor" chucked it straight into the can, did get a another with some extras thrown in. If I'm right the Ottoman Kebab is rather good, Muslims I'd say, nice guy who runs it, always friendly. But to show I'm totally multicultural, often have the pork roast from the Carvery or the Chinese, even the Japanese is good value. One of the better food courts.

Went to Westfield's at Mt Gravatt Sunday, a million shoppers there, no sign of a recession, glad to get out of the joint, a mad house.

Geez, it's funny to think of just how closely us three must have brushed past one of the others over the decades!

Hi Paul,
Yes apparently they do come in black.
http://a-z-animals.com/media/2023/06/shutterstock_2195876917.jpg

Bruised chicken, yes every now and again you get dud KFC.
I don't like it when you get it and its all rubbery and chewy.

Ottoman Kebabs.
I almost ducked into the other Kebab shop at Capalaba today near the tavern.

Have you ever tried the Halal snack pack?
You get a serve of chips, then its topped with slices of kebab meat.
I usually get cheese, greek yogurt and sweet chili sauce as well.
I get mine at the Roam'In Pizza at Redland Bay.

It gives Stir Man and his beef and oyster sauce and special fried rice a run for his money

Just who are the Jews Bezza

Israelis Are Burning The Dogs, They're Burning The Cats..
http://youtu.be/e-3Hfhzp22A

http://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/volunteers-patrol-lag-baomer-bonfires-to-rescue-animals-from-flames-490742

>>As Israelis kindled Lag Ba’omer bonfires on Sunday – some for the second night in row – 19-year-old Shahar Liani and her legion of volunteers were on the lookout anyone hurling innocent animals into the blazes.
For the sixth year in a row, Liani and volunteers around Israel were leading patrols to “stop the horrific phenomenon of burning animals on Lag Ba’omer,” according to her Facebook event page. This year, the group recruited hundreds of people to join the effort, with nearly 900 signed up to observe bonfires and save animals from abuse.
“Every year, we encounter dozens of cases of puppies and kittens being thrown in the fire during the Lag Ba’omer bonfires,” the event page says. “In previous years, we managed to save dozens of animals and give them a better life.”
Liani first learned about this phenomenon – an unexplained act of abuse popular among teenagers – when she was in sixth grade in Ramat Gan. A boy in her class that year told her about people who burned a dog in their holiday bonfire, she recalled...<<

This is the mindset of the people you think are the victims.
What sort of future moral behaviour can you expect from people who thrown puppies and kittens into bonfires?
As part of their Jewish celebrations?

And people think they got thrown out of every country they did because other people were mean?

Google AI
"Animal Cruelty Reports: In recent years, Israeli authorities have warned of a "cruel phenomenon" where, during some Lag Ba'Omer celebrations, street animals have been thrown into bonfires. The Ministry of Environmental Protection has urged the public to protect pets and animals during this time."

There was this biblical nut job named Abraham who the voice, that's God, told him to sacrifice his son Issac, seems just before Mad Abe could slit the kids throat, according to Abe, an angle, that's a little cherub type creature with wings, appeared and told him not to kill the kid, but slit the throat of a woolly beast instead.

At his trial Mad Abe was found not guilty on the grounds of insanity! He was committed to a mental institution for life! Nah, just got a big fan club of believers! And we think the Muslims are MAD!

Israelis think Palestinians should move to Western nations and cities.

http://x.com/SprinterPress/status/2027299451669291330
An Israeli settler living in the West Bank of the Jordan River shared his opinion on where Palestinians should move to.

"Europe is becoming Islamic, there are many places where they (Palestinians) can go.

Moreover, there are already many Muslim cities in England that could invite them to live there"

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At what point do you ask if all these Epstein class are either blackmailed or in a secret club?
Maybe both, maybe pedophilia is the compromising entry fee, who knows?
That Donald Trumps a suspected blackmailed pedophile working for Zionist interests?
At what point do you accept that of the United States is 40 tln in debt that 30tln war on wars for Israel, that created the largest mass immgration event since WW2, and that specifically sent muslims into western countries.

At what point do you accept that you either somehow love this twisted nation that goes against every red line a civilised and humane modern society is supposed to be and they are the exact opposite; or and we're all expected to walk on broken glass not offending them, when they are murdering women and kids, starving people depriving kids anaesthetic for amputations, killing journalists, stealing organs, promoting rape, throwing puppies and kittens into bombfires as part of jewish celebrations, burning food crops and setting Palestinian livestock on fire, and that's just the tip of the iceberg, and its all just about racism, land theft and religious beliefs.

And these people would be happy if all the Muslims came to live in our countries, and they made it happen too.

I don't say the things I do because I like disagreeing with others and stirring up bs for no reason.

I didn't create the world, I just live in it.

Just who are the Israelis

Some Jewish singer encouraging Israel to drop nukes on Yemen, Iran, Turkey
Says the Torah demands than WW3 be started.

http://x.com/Issaamro/status/2027407026754588995

Here's some good Jews they show great courage.

According to Zionists, the Jews shown in these videos are antisemitic and hateful.

http://x.com/abierkhatib/status/2027360767360582106

and finally,

They captured a Gazan doctor at a hospital, tortured him, then brought him a tablet showing a livestream of his home, called in a strike that killed his six-month-pregnant wife, and made him watch until the rescue crew pulled her body from the rubble.

http://x.com/dlLambo/status/2026838721731973284

Israel manufactures hate, manufactures terrorists, manufactures anti-semites, manufactures the anger and animosity it complains about.

Who are the Jews Bezza?

They should be locking themselves up for hate speech!
Watch the following video then ask,

Is it wrong for me to say
'Get your own house in order before criticising others'?

http://x.com/Partisangirl/status/2027523864725754011

Who are the Jews?

IN THEIR OWN WORDS

http://x.com/GPX_Press/status/2028673125693673780
Rabbi:
“The End of days. Create a refugee crisis, send Muslims to the West that will outbreed Whites & conquer them by numbers. What will happen to the world is there will be many, many people killed. It’s not a matter of whether it’s right or wrong, it’s just simply fulfilment of a prophecy. This has to happen”.


http://x.com/STANISKRAPIVNIK/status/2028205552405234155
Rabbi:
"The Talmud tells us that if Christians and Muslims unite, it will be the end of us, Zionists. Therefore, we should encourage them to kill each other."

Who are the Jews Bezza?
http://x.com/GPX_Press/status/2028657696631877814

You all think I'm some hate monger, but almost everything I've ever shared there was a link to it, and someone else saying it.

All I did was pull back the curtain.

Who are the Jews Bezza?
http://x.com/wallyrashid/status/2029749839144124421

Here’s Israel’s security minister, Itmar Ben Gvir, in a crowd cheering about flooding Europe with Arabs.

“We want Mohammed to be the most popular name in the UK!”
“We want more Mohammeds in Britain, Sweden, and France!”

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Plenty more on that thread if you look.
Is there some other group that thinks this way?
If so, do tell.

I keep asking the same question...

'Who put the spiders in your bed?'
You're all upset about the spiders, but you never ask who put them there.

Take the blinkers off.
Where did the Muslims come from?
Who started the wars?
I've laid it out enough times.

Am I wrong or are you lot all in denial?
Can't be both.

Their. Own. Words.

You lot can't get your head around it can you?
You're all playing the part of 'useful idiot'.
Read the script and follow your lines.
And you don't even know you're all acting in one giant screenplay.