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China’s CO2 emissions have been flat or falling for past 18 months

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WTF?

Time to start believing me Fester.

Here is a cut and paste from one of my posts back on 14th August:

"I for one would not discount an energy future that included nuclear..."

It's not the first time I'm made similar comments but it is the only one I could be bothered finding for you but at least now you can believe what I tell you.

Believe me Fester when I say the main driver of the current energy trends is not ideology but economics.

You can bemoan the current acceleration in the uptake of renewables all you like but that is where investors are pouring their money into.
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Friday, 14 November 2025 1:03:25 PM
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Hi Fester,
China makes 5 and 10 year plans and sticks to it.
I'm sure they probably will do away with many of the coal plants one day, but firstly comes manufacturing and bringing people into the middle class, and I'm sure they will continue to add renewable capacity as well.
China needs cheap energy, it's not going to cut it's nose off to spite its face though. It will not rely on one type of energy but make sure its diversified and not reliant on any one source, but jobs and production must continue.

I agree, end the ban.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 November 2025 1:38:21 PM
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that is where investors are pouring their money into.

WTF? - Not Again,
I predict that in only a few years these "investors" will bleat poor me & demand that the ordinary Taxpayer bail them out again as per usual.
Government of the day at investing should stipulate the investment at own risk ! If they did, the proponents of the renewables' schemes will back off in troves ! Their trust in the future of renewables will vaporise before they can download a negative gearing claim form !
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 14 November 2025 3:31:04 PM
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“.... the moment of madness has gone. The country has seen the bill and is starting to feel the consequences”.

Professor of economics at Oxford, Dieter Helm, writes that the more intermittent generation that is built, the more expensive and infrastructure-heavy the system becomes. ‘Transition’ is land-hungry, capital-intensive and socially fracturing.

Even Bill Gates, “long a champion of rapid climate action”, has said, rightly, climate change will NOT end civilisation, and any transition away from fossil fuels “should not occur by pricing energy at a level unacceptable to the community.

Electricity prices have already gone past what is acceptable to the Australian community.

Described as “wise elders of the decarbonisation club”, ex ACCC Chairman, Rod Sims, and Ross Garnaut are backpedalling.

Sims warns that transition risks becoming politically unsustainable because prices are “falling so unevenly”.

Garnaut says that “scaling up subsidies” for wind and solar will not get Australia to its targets, and risks “buying failure”.

Climate change cannot be stopped. We should not be paying billions to do the impossible.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 14 November 2025 6:52:26 PM
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From no climate change to climate change will not end civilisation does that mean climate change is real now.
Au is unique for sunshine and wind, fossil fuels are to blame for climate change. The more solar we have the better we get. nothing can compete with the cost of solar, sunshine is free coal costs largely.
Transition is progressing very well, being only 2025 and solar is trading in negative figures. Peak times are being flattened with negatively costed solar. When we have the amount of solar in the grid and contracts kick in massive drops in the cost of generated power by unattended solar
Posted by doog, Saturday, 15 November 2025 6:17:51 AM
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"And democrats have found his achilles heel."

Well I'm sure you've looked into this with all the thoroughness you normally display eg when you looked into the US bombing of Iran and then spent a week wiping egg off your face.

But since Paul has obviously done a runner on this, perhaps you can explain what the Democrats have found on Trump re Epstein. Was it the evidence that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017? Oh no even The Democrats have now retracted that one. Or perhaps it was the evidence that Trump spent several hours in Epstein's home with a girl whose name was redacted. Turns out the redacted name was Virginia Giuffre who specifically said Trump never touched her.

Come on AC, regale us with your research showing the Democrats have the goods on Trump.

It seems to me that every week or three since 2015, we get stories that they've finally got Trump over whatever is their latest hoax. And then we find out that its rubbish. But I'm sure they're thrilled to know that there are still some bozos who fall for this....every...single...time.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 15 November 2025 6:23:37 AM
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