In July of this year, $450k plus censor, Julie Inman Grant narrowly avoided a Senate Inquiry into the “growing scope” of her powers to police the internet because Labor and the Greens voted against the PUBLIC SERVANT being answerable to Parliament.

Now, an “extraordinary” letter from the eSafety Commissioner trying to influence the Opposition’s stance on her office has come to light.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/esafety-commissioner-julie-inmangrant-quietly-pressures-opposition-to-drop-calls-for-inquiry-into-her-extensive-powers/news-story/628b5b2ee74db380f6cb143c790c9d72

Fortunately, the opposition wasn’t influenced and still wants an enquiry.

While there are different views on censorship and the Commissioner’s role and powers, public servants should be answerable to Parliament and the people; not just to the government of the day, as Labor and the Greens think.

To their credit, the Liberals want Ms. Inman Grant pulled into line. She was their creature, after all; the current lot cannot be blamed for the late and unlamented Malcolm Turnbull who, when addressed by the lady as Mr. Prime Minister, oozed, “Ooh, Malcolm, please”.

The make-up of the panel that ‘chose’ the ESC is a secret, but Malcy would have to have approved the winner.

At the time, she was described, in aggressive terms, as “the tip of the spear” in “world first” (how little old Australia loves to claim a ‘first’) on stopping under 16s having media accounts. Now she wants to police everyone, including foreign companies.

Ralph Babet’s Bill having gone south in the Senate, the shadow minister has called for an enquiry. Good luck with that while Albanese is around! But at least the Opposition might have started doing what it is supposed to be doing; which in this case might be the start of an apology for siccing this woman onto us in the first place.

Australia’s "uniquely heavy handed” approach to social media is a global embarrassment. There are many derisive comments coming from countries who thought better of us. In fact, there have barely veiled threats from America that Australian censorship and threats to free speech could affect the relationship.

We should not be fooled that child-protection is the motive for having a Public Censor. We are all in the firing line, and Big Sister Inman Grant is just doing what the government wants her to do; which is why they don’t want her investigated. She might squeal to protect herself, instead of them.

Over the weekend it was revealed that the woman would not be renewing her contract next year because of the criticism and online trolling. Good time to drop the Commission as well as the Commissioner. Let parents look after their children.

Anyone who takes any notice from sky news is close to insanity.
You are saying public servants have a parliament of their own.
Some one ordered whatever the public servant was to do.
Public servants are servants of elected representatives. And you want them to be accountable to parliament.
Not in Australia.

"the Liberals want Ms. Inman Grant pulled into line." The voters certainly pulled the Liberals out of line, well and truly at the last election. Why would anyone listen to that cackling bunch of navel gazing morons. Oh! ttbn does.

I seem to attract only idiots who attack me and my sources instead of dealing with the topic. It's a waste of time and effort starting a thread here, and not many people do so anymore. I think I will join them.

You are saying public servants have a parliament of their own.
doog,
?? Only festering bureaudroids could answer like you & Paul1405 do. Every village idiot has more sense to know that Ministers have absolutely no clue as to the portfolio they're assigned to. Who do they rely on for info to sound somewhat knowledgeable at interviews, the bureaucrats & their droids, that's who !
That the far greater majority of droids are Labor orientated is proven when their party is in power vs their opposition. Hare-brained schemes & policies get passed more under Labor than under Conservative administrations. The reason why Conservatives fail so much is due to the sabotage by these bureaudroids & not the policies of LNP.

ttbn,
you'll find this time I'll cop more absurdity from those two & that'll give you a small break..

Indyvidual

There's no point in asking doog what he means. He is on a par with the Troll when it comes to expressing himself.

Apart from the idiots, most people seem to have given up: they are not interested. And, frankly, I am sick of starting threads just for bozos to use them to have childish arguments about each other's opinions instead of just expressing their own opinions on the SUBJECT.

Under the Westminster system of Ministerial responsibility, public servants are responsible to their departmental Minister. A dissident minority mob, like the rabble that is the Noalition, have no authority over the public service. I know you conservatives believe you are the born to rule class, and when the electorate unceremoniously kicks your arse, as it did in May, you still think its was all a big mistake, and you are still calling the shots. Have I got news for you! That bunch of rabble from the Noalition which masquerades as the Opposition, are worthless and totally irreverent to the political debate. Instead of rabbeting on about a public servant they don't like, how about they develop some policies, any policies at all, that they can take to the Australian people at the next election Maybe that's too much to ask from a bunch of dimwits!

Paul1405,
Yes, the Westminster System has worked well recently for the Poms & here.

The Westminster system is of pom design made for lame brained ass holes.
public servants answering to parliament is a non brain proposal.

AU is a free vote system one person one vote the winner is of freedom of choice and anyone who challengers that scenario is of stupidly going against the grain of the voting system.

A lot of persons do just that on this site. The believe of hard right news and papers is propaganda all because of someone's unproven believe.

100% political discussion proves nothing. There is a lot of discussion unrelated from politics that need to be brought into day light.

Died in the wool armchair political comments are so far biased it turns people off.

doog,
Parasitism might be your & too many others'preferred system however, it's been tried & as right now it's living proof that it is unsustainable.

More info on what you think parasitism is doing to hold up advancing Australia.
Across the board au is doing just fine in this climate of changing worlds.
Au does not need nukes, au does not need fly by night policies.
We need to be friends with US and things will be dandy.

More info on what you think parasitism is doing to hold up advancing Australia.
doog,
What line of work are you in that makes you ask such an unbelievable question ?

I do believe Trumpy has a fantastic deal for his new bestest mate Xiping up there in China; Trump; "Xiping I'll give you Australia, if you give me Mongolia?" Xiping; "Trumpy throw in that joint New Zealand and you've got a deal." Trump; "Good deal, now, are you interested in owning a Mexico, I've got a cheap one for sale?"

In the latest development, Trumpy's new foreign policy will be based on the hit TV show 'The Price Is Right', it will air on prime time TV. Contestants like Vlad and Xi come on and the host, that's 'Trumpy', gets them to guess the price of countries instead of washing machines and toasters. Sounds great! Larry Emdur, eat your heart out!

Trump is absolutely the way to go. The split in govt in US says heaps. Trump is not interested in solving the problem. It's up to the apposing party to relent.
So do not you see the similarity that is happening here.
Hard right broadcasters never give up in the face of overpowering election results, that may as well be a protest for term of elected govt;
That shows ignorance of electoral vote. Unable to recognise and comply with the will of voters.
Then again poms cannot bring themselves to say they have lost a soccer match without riots

Hi Doog,

Not only do the Far Right Poms believe they are "Born To Rule" but also believe they are "Born To Win", just like when they lose an election, its some leftest conspiracy that caused their defeat, a riot is perfectly in order. When they lose a football match, obviously the wrong result, unnatural against the commandment of God, and brought about by some spaghetti munching darkie referee from Europe, who can't speak the Kings English. Under the circumstance are not the Bovver Boys within their God given right to riot, and crack a few heads? Seems perfectly fair to me.

Public Servants should pull their socks up. There's too much funding wasted that could come to good use for the community. We must never ever have another Robodebt or as this BOM website fiasco right now. In both cases livelihood & actual lives are jeopardised due to bureaudroids covering their butts rather than do their job. Police & Magistrates & Judges also have to move closer to real everyday life in their policies.
If a job appears to have too much responsibility then get out & let competent & responsible people run the show. Too much damage is done to society the way things are run presently !
Media too needs a kick up the ar$e ! That Ferguson twit interviewing Barney Joyce the other day is a perfect example of a bureaudroid that should not be in the business.

What have public servants got to do with the implication of robo debt.
who ordered the implication is the responsible body.
Public servants do not have any power to implement any thing.
Same as any other public service job. There has to be an instigating force. You are bypassing the elected representatives of the time.
And we all know where that force came from.

doog,
Spoken like a true bureaucrat ! Albo must be just so proud of you !

Not only should public servants answer to Parliament; Parliament should answer to the people. It does not. Why? Because Australians don't care. What sorts of mugs continue to accept compulsory voting when their votes mean nothing anyway? What sorts of mugs accept that a party with 30% of the primary vote gets to dictate because of the absurdity of compulsory preferential voting?

What sort of mugs care so little about their traditions, values and identity that they allow the mass immigration of aliens who are going to make them a minority in their own country?

What sorts of mugs, having voted against the Voice, allow the Victorian dictators to introduce an aboriginal Voice-on-stilts?

What sort of mugs allow the introduction of aborigines (often more white than not) going ahead of everyone else in hospital-emergency irrespective of level of seriousness of complaint? Within 30 minutes! While the rest of us could die, in an ambulance ramped outside! How about a 93 year old woman in respite care missing out on a meal while the staff celebrate Diwali in working hours!

What sorts of mugs have allowed political thugs to deliberately make what used to be the cheapest electricity in the world the most expensive in the world for no good reason?

Australian mugs, who have never valued democracy because it was handed to them on a plate - that’s who.

Even in the unlikely event of the mugs suddenly taking interest, it’s too late now. The handful of politicians who talk the right talk are never going to put things right because the mugs won’t vote for them.

Of all the useless politicians in Victoria, on both sides of the uniparty, Liberal Bev McArthur was the only politician to speak against the racist VicVoice.

She might find herself getting the same treatment as Moira Deeming from her mini-Labor party - or small ‘l’ liberal, party. It’s hard to think of a name for them when they are really no different from Labor.

The Liberals, state and federal, should merge with Labor and openly form the one party system they secretly desire. It will make no difference to us, as they ignore us anyway.

But, even McArthur is a scaredy cat, saying that she didn’t doubt the “sincerity” of the perpetrators of this racist muck. The only things sincere about them is their anti-white racism, their identity politics, and their anti-democratic contempt. And of course, she ‘had to’ acknowledge the wrongs claimed to have been afflicted by un-named people on other un-named people who have been dead for years.

No sympathy, of course, for Victorians who keep voting for the bastards.

What a load of codswallop i am glad no one else in AU thinks like that. Never satisfied with what they have. Even though your preferred political party is falling apart. Sad case of no brain power. Abbott, scomo, are all to blame for everything you are proposing. Absolute rubbish through and through.
Albo is the best leader we have had for several years and going from strength to strength. Who wouldn't be satisfied with the current leadership. 25 million cheers for Albo.

i am glad no one else in AU thinks like that
doog,
Real Australians definitely don't but as they're being out-bred by the likes of you they're becoming the smaller part of society hence your side's vehement push for "Democracy".
The kind of Democracy in which revenue-absorbing minority i.e. parasitic crank groups are dictating to the revenue makers.
The economic woes will soon bring a change of Government as per usual.

Indy,

"The kind of Democracy in which revenue-absorbing minority i.e. parasitic crank groups are dictating to the revenue makers." Is that you with your aged welfare?

Just for you. A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism, from which it gets its food, to the host's detriment. Parasites can be a variety of organisms, from single-celled protozoa to worms, and even the aged welfare mob!

Paul1405,
Your familiarity with parasitism must be from your existence as a bureaudroid which your description of a parasite fits so spot-on !
Being supported by all now rather than just those younger than you when in retirement is the perfect summation of parasitism.

Did the author of this posting pass away.? Indy is trying to stay upright for something fictitious he believes in.
Upstanding citizens like Paul and yours truly is bemused by what you are trying to prove, with what backup other than your biased mind.

Indy,

In your paranoia hatred of public servants, for a long time on this forum you would demand that 95% be sacked, you forget that PS are just like the rest of society, there are the good, the bad and the indifferent. You of all people rely on public servants to make sure your aged pension is paid each fortnight, and the PBS, Medicare etc is working to provide your health needs when you want, which I'm sure at your age that's often. So give the poor bloke whose doing that for you in the public service a rest!

the bad and the indifferent
Paul1405,
Exactly the ones who make up a far too late component of the PS & as you well know, they're the ones I'm on about ! Judging by your excuse tactics & attacks I can reasonably assume you're one of them.
Instead of feigning integrity why not practise some ? I guarantee you'll feel great after achieving some improvements for the good of this nation & its society ! Best of luck at having a go !

that should read "far too large a component".

damned predictive text

In your paranoia hatred of public servants,
Paul1405,
There you go again with your lying. There is no paranoia nor hatred, there's only a saturation at being fed up with so many bureaudroids & the subsequent wasting of good tax Dollars by these incompetent & self-centred. Your personal experiences can vouch for that no doubt !

Without our system as is we would be we would be autocratic and communist.

Indy,

In your paranoia hatred of public servants, that's not lying, many times on this forum you made the demand that 95% of public servants should be sacked. That's police officers, nurses, teachers, care givers fire fighters etc etc even the bloke who pays your welfare. Now, do you deny saying that, if you do then you are the liar! Such a demand comes, because of your bitterness and hatred towards public servants.

Paul1405,
Do us & yourself a favour & don't try so hard to sound so silly.
All these professions you claim I want to have sacked is beyond stupid. It's the bad & useless among them as you stated yourself a few posts ago who need to be weeded via natural attrition. The fact that these bad ones make up a huge part of the PS is not me lying, it's you trying to cover up because you appear to be one of them. Why not try hanging out with the good ones & see for yourself !
had the Goaf not stuffed upon so badly by removing National Service* things would be actually quite good by now.
* All he had to do is to pull Australian soldiers out fighting wars in other countries..

Indy,

PLEASE EXPLAIN your figure of 95%, it was an actual number you bandied about on this forum, don't deny it, you were being very specific, you said 95% of public servants should be sacked. PLEASE EXPLAIN why you want 19 out of 20 public servants sacked, that figure can't be achieved unless you have mass sacking of police officers, nurses, teachers etc etc and of course the bloke who has been paying your unjustified welfare payments all these years! Now he should be sacked for wasting our taxpayer money by throwing it at YOU! Don't try to weasel out of what you said!

Paul1405,
Natural attrition is not sacking and, yes the majority aren't doing their job properly & should be moved to private enterprise where they'd need to earn their salaries instead of just receiving money for very, little.
Three office staff & thirty field workers performed better than the thirty field workers under fifteen + office staff now. I'll let you work out the percentage.

Indy,

You never mentioned "natural attrition" at all, you said SACKED! So natural attrition you now say, by the time 95% fall of the perch, the other 5% would as old as YOU and like YOU, totally useless.

Even your example shows how stupid YOU are; thirty field workers under fifteen + office staff. SACK 95% that leaves no office staff and 3 fields workers, running around like chook's without their heads, not knowing what to do

running around like chook's without their heads, not knowing what to do
Paul1405,
That's exactly what Labor & you are doing !

We need to make a clear distinction between Buraudroids & bureaucrats & professionals when we refer to Public Servants.
It is grossly unfair to call decent conscientious people the same as those useless & corrupt incompetents who make up the bulk of those on the public payroll.
I really think there needs to be another term for the good ones. Also, there should be instant dismissal for those who sabotage the incumbent Governments efforts & cause economic & social harm because of ideological loyalty to other parties in opposition.

According to this Indy bloke;

"useless & corrupt incompetents who make up the bulk of those on the public payroll." That's the majority of police officers, nurses, firefighters, military personal, even the bloke who pays this parasite his fortnight welfare payment, and has done so for the past 20 years! Of course, he who takes and contributes nothing would know

Paul1405,
What idiotic waffle. Is that how you perform in the PS ? You really haven't got a leg to stand on have you. It's clear you're one of the majority who don't perform hence your riling up without ever producing evidence to the contrary !
No wonder taxpayers are getting fed up.

Paul1405,
You really are the benchmark for just about everything that's wrong in society !

Paul1405,
Are you one of those bureaudroids who pass on enquiries from Department to Department several times until the fifth or sixth Departmentt write back to contact the Department the first enquiry was sent too ?
Would you call that efficient or even sane ?

Public servants should not be allowed to vote nor should they be allowed in their positions if found out they manipulate whatever they do to favour the opposition of the day !
No-one should be allowed to join the Public Service unless National service was served first ! Same goes for us migrants.

Indy,

You ask; "Are you one of those bureaudroids who pass on enquiries from Department to Department" No, I've never been this bureaudroid (what ever that is) you refer to. I do understand you once said you were a menial level public servant for a short while, cleaning toilets or something, until the Labor government of Whitlam found out how incompetent you were and sacked you, been swinging off the taxpayer teat ever since!

Jealousy is a terrible thing, can't agree with any of your bunk about public servants shouldn't be allowed to vote. But I agree you dodged national service, and now demand young people be conscripted for your benefit.

Paul1405,
Going by your goofy evasive quips it is clear that my questions are hitting nerve after nerve with your guilt factor !
You're $hit scared that one day merit will actually matter in the bureaudroid circles ! Then what hope will be there for you ?
Probably unfit to clean toilets ?

How much longer can the Australian Public Service continue under the present direction before it implodes ?