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Dirty Tricks To Promote Imagined Clean Net Zero

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Fester.

The Court also found that JCU was justified in terminating him for repeated breaches of conduct policies after the censure. That distinction matters. Upholding his initial freedom of expression does not equal blanket approval of his subsequent behaviour.

That’s not opinion, it’s what the High Court ruled.

//Net zero is about all CO2 emissions, so all energy production is relevant.//

And yet, electricity is the first and most tractable sector being decarbonised - that’s why it gets focus. Globally, power generation accounts for around 40% of CO2 emissions, and it’s the easiest to clean up. So no, it’s not "cherry-picking" - it’s targeting the low-hanging fruit first, as every credible roadmap recommends.

//Wind and solar are very expensive as Australia is proving.//

Flat-out wrong. The CSIRO GenCost 2023-24 report, AEMO, and international comparisons all agree:

- New wind and solar are the cheapest forms of generation per MWh.
- The rising retail prices are due to coal unreliability, war-driven gas prices, network upgrades, and underinvestment in firming - not renewables themselves.

//Destruction of productive farmland...//

Again: emotive overreach. Australia has vast land reserves. According to the Clean Energy Council:

- Utility-scale solar and wind require 0.02% of Australia’s landmass.
- Renewables can coexist with grazing and agriculture, and many do.

Compare that to fossil fuels, which require dedicated mining zones, waste management, and pollution controls.

//IEA says nuclear produces dispatchable power at similar cost...//

The 2020 IEA report does not support your conclusion. In fact:

- IEA and CSIRO both note nuclear’s high capital cost, long lead times, and economic unviability in Australia.
- CSIRO’s 2023 modelling shows nuclear as the most expensive option for new generation in Australia - even using best-case overseas benchmarks.

And again, no private investor is willing to build one here - that’s the real-world cost signal.

//Australia accounts for 1% of emissions, so it doesn’t matter.//

By that logic, no individual action matters, which is a nihilistic cop-out. Every tonne counts in a global system. Pretending we don’t matter ignores both our emissions intensity and international responsibility.
Posted by John Daysh, Saturday, 1 November 2025 7:16:24 PM
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Power firming means battery back up.
Solar trades in negative figures probably now until may next year.
Where do the dirty tricks come in?
Nukes were voted out so forget it. Has nukes power ever traded in negative figures?
Why be one sided it will not get you any satisfaction at all.
Coal power stations are on their last legs. Ten years of Scomo sealed that to the scrap heap.
That mob were happy to see au power to cease altogether.
Thank the good lord for sunshine and wind.
Posted by doog, Saturday, 1 November 2025 7:46:32 PM
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Liberal's have vote on Net Zero. 28 against, 17 for it.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 4:59:54 PM
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Whatever the Noalition decides on climate change action is irrelevant, just a few cow cockies led by Barnyard Joy, the vast majority of Australians demand action, and they give voice to that demand at the ballot box. Its also of no consequence what a couple of old reprobates might think on the subject, they are destined to "go up the chimney", in the not too distant future, and add their bit of CO2 to the debate.

p/s The Liberal are about to dump the ineffective 'Ditzy' Ley, and replace her with god knows who, maybe Coco The Clown might make a comeback!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 13 November 2025 5:15:32 AM
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Renewables also create new ways to use electricity.

Take e-scooters and e-bikes as an example.
In the past the rest of us used our legs and pedalled.

Boy charged over fatal Sunshine Coast e-bike crash that killed 8yo child
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-19/boy-charged-over-fatal-sunshine-coast-ebike-crash/106027202

"The boy has been charged with dangerous operation of a vehicle causing death, unlicensed driving, and driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle."

Two kids have a head on collision on their bikes.
One dies and the other has the book thrown at him.
We don't know what happened, what speed each was doing, who swerved in front of the other etc.

I see plenty of kids riding e-bikes, I don't see police handing out fines or doing anything to prevent them from doing so.

Some of the laws in this country are stupid.
Take vapes as an example.
They allow them, people get addicted, and then they ban them.
Do you think banning them makes people who are addicted to them not want them anymore?
FYI I don't vape.

There's a place not far from where I live that sells cheap tobacco and vapes, and it's a stones throw from the local copshop.
Why would I want to pay $100 at woolies for something I can get for less than $5?
We have cheap tobacco and vape shops everywhere up here.
And why are people who buy it bad when it's government greed and authoritarianism that caused the problem?

Now not only does the government get no money from tobacco excise, it has created a black market that costs hundreds of millions to police.
Nation run by idiots.

I bet there a few coppers out there that don't mind their vapes either.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 November 2025 2:09:24 PM
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Here's a good video that puts another angle on things.
It's about planned obsolescence of washing machines.
We worry so much about what is good for the climate, but we don't look at the blatent consumerism that exists when products are not repairable or not built to last.

http://youtu.be/138S0rSbZ10?si=Xl35H77krAuY9m2q

My last washing machine was a Fisher and Paykel.
I bought it in 2004, and it finally gave out last year.
20 years I got out of that thing, Aussie made.

The bloke in the video makes a good point, in that the government doesn't care because they can earn more tax if you have to replace your appliances more regularly.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 November 2025 11:03:38 PM
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