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Dirty Tricks To Promote Imagined Clean Net Zero

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Yes, ttbn.

//55% of people polled by Compass opted for the use of coal to reduce electricity bills.//

And the same Compass poll showed even stronger support for renewables when framed the same way. You left that part out.

Also: "opting for coal to reduce bills" doesn’t mean people prefer coal in general - it reflects how the question was framed.

The cost of living crisis makes any solution sound tempting, even if it’s based on outdated assumptions. (Note: new coal is more expensive than wind and solar.)

//But, neither member of the uniparty takes notice of its members or supporters because they are obsessed with a mythical ‘centre’.//

The "centre" you call mythical is where most Australians live politically - not on X, not in conspiracy YouTube videos, and not in hyperbole about wind turbines and crop failures.
Posted by John Daysh, Thursday, 30 October 2025 9:42:58 AM
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Daysh

If, in your disagreeable arrogance, you think that I am responding to you, or that I am interested in anything you have to say, you are wrong. Your ramblings are not worth a pinch of poop.

You lurk, like a snake in the grass, waiting to disagree with everything other people say about anything.

You are not man enough to start a thread of your own: you just run down people who are. You are a sick, sad individual, whom even the similarly know-it-all mhaze has lost interest in arguing with.

Get a life. Get treatment. But piss off and leave us alone.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 30 October 2025 10:19:29 AM
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Hi John,

There is no fart like an Old Fart, smelly, obnoxious and rude. The "us" is this Old Fart himself and the cuckoo's who agree with him.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 31 October 2025 5:04:27 AM
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John,

"Wrong again. They ruled JCU couldn’t punish him for the initial comments alone. But they could and did sack him for persistent insubordination, not research."

You contradict yourself there. I've said all along that the High Court upheld Dr Ridd's intellectual freedom. JCU's initial censure of Dr Ridd was invalid: Dr Ridd was sacked because he breached his confidentiality agreement with JCU by complaining about the censure to the press. As the High Court observed:

"Dr Ridd should not have been given the 2016 Censure."

https://www.hcourt.gov.au/sites/default/files/eresources/2021/HCA/32.pdf

"//Wind and solar are barely 2% after decades...//

Flat-out false. "

All too true as it happens. When it comes to total energy, over 80% comes from fossil fuels, 4.7% comes from nuclear, and a bit over 3% comes from wind and solar.

https://www.iea.org/world/energy-mix

Not quite the meteoric rise you claim, and the wind and solar scam has lots of problems in Australia that the government is trying to hide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ1PTEX-OEg
Posted by Fester, Friday, 31 October 2025 5:36:19 AM
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There's no contradiction, Fester.

//You contradict yourself there. I've said all along that the High Court upheld Dr Ridd's intellectual freedom.//

The Court ruled that JCU was wrong to issue the initial censure, but correct in dismissing Ridd for repeatedly breaching confidentiality and conduct rules after being warned. Upholding academic freedom doesn’t grant immunity from workplace obligations like respectful communication and internal grievance handling.

//JCU's initial censure of Dr Ridd was invalid: Dr Ridd was sacked because he breached his confidentiality agreement with JCU by complaining about the censure to the press.//

Exactly.

That was the point. He wasn’t sacked for his research or views, but for persistent insubordination after lawful warnings. That’s what the High Court upheld in HCA 32 (2021).

//All too true as it happens. When it comes to total energy, over 80% comes from fossil fuels, 4.7% comes from nuclear, and a bit over 3% comes from wind and solar.//

Cherry-picking global total energy to make a point about electricity, where wind and solar are growing rapidly, is misleading. In 2023:

- Wind and solar made up 12.4% of global electricity (Ember, Global Electricity Review 2024).
- In Australia, it’s over 36% of electricity - not 3%.

Fossil fuels dominate transport and heating - sectors wind and solar haven’t fully penetrated yet. But in electricity, their rise is meteoric.

//Not quite the meteoric rise you claim...//

Wind and solar were virtually non-existent in the 2000s. Now, they are the cheapest source of new electricity globally, according to the IEA, CSIRO, Lazard, and others. That is meteoric by any meaningful definition.

//The wind and solar scam has lots of problems in Australia that the government is trying to hide.//

Referring to growing pains and technical challenges as a “scam” is ideological spin, not analysis. Every major grid transformation in history has faced implementation challenges.

That doesn’t invalidate the technology - it highlights the need for planning and integration, not retreat.
Posted by John Daysh, Friday, 31 October 2025 8:31:55 AM
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John,

You wax on about how fair and reasonable JCU was toward Dr Ridd, yet the whole matter was predicated on a censure of Dr Ridd by JCU that the High Court thought was wrong.

And more of you cherry picking allegations, all the more ridiculous as you are the one cherry picking. Net zero is about all C02 emissions, so all energy production is relevant. What purpose is there for you to limit your view to electricity production beyond cherry picking? Looking at the whole picture shows how minuscule wind and solar compared to other energy sources.

"Now, they are the cheapest source of new electricity globally, according to the IEA, CSIRO, Lazard, and others."

That is a dishonest and misleading statement. As you are well aware, when the cost dispatchable power is considered, wind and solar are very expensive as Australia is proving. Those costs also extend to environmental destruction and economic loss from the destruction of productive farmland and loss of industry like aluminium smelters.

As it happens, there is long term data on energy costs which shows nuclear power to produce dispatchable power at similar cost to non-dispatchable wind and solar, a finding supported by the IEA, suggesting a cost for nuclear with life extension to be less than half what the CSIRO's dodgy modelling claims for dispatchable wind and solar.

https://www.iea.org/reports/projected-costs-of-generating-electricity-2020

Rising C02 level is a world wide phenomenon and comes from all energy production. It will not be corrected by a nation accounting for 1% of emissions replacing its electricity generation with a prohibitively expensive and nonviable alternative.

Australia is headed for an economic and environmental train wreck. Time to end the wind and solar con.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 1 November 2025 7:35:29 AM
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