I've watched a chorus of politicians brand the March for Australia as an "anti-immigration" march, and called it "divisive".

This seems inaccurate, starting with the fact there were three different marches, which seemed to have had three different colours. I think it is fair to say they were "anti-immigration", but from what I could see on TV they were much more than that. The Australian flags weren't just saying "stay away", they were also saying "stay together".

There was a neo-Nazi speaker in Melbourne, which was a bit more than unfortunate, and because of the secretiveness of the organisers, I have no idea whether this was on purpose or not.

But putting that to one side I can't see how you can label these marches as divisive, but stay quiet and say nothing about the much larger marches of a couple of weeks ago calling for the elimination of the Jewish state. Seems to me that the rhetoric of division is in this case divisive itself.

I wasn't at the march, but the marchers have a legitimate point. Our immigration policy has brought too many people in too quickly, and many of those people do not accept Western liberal democratic values, let alone Australian ones. That policy is divisive, and it's time that mainstream political players buy into it instead of leaving it to the amateurs, Bob Katter, and One Nation, or allowing Labor and Greens politicians to try to delegitimise debating this issue all together.

The answer to your question is pretty easy, Graham,

The pro-Palestinian rallies, while absolutely including problematic slogans and fringe elements, are rooted in opposition to a specific government’s actions, not to the presence of an ethnic group in Australia.

The "March for Australia" was rooted in broad generalisations about immigrants, framed a whole class of Australians as incompatible with our values, and leaned into "take our country back" nostalgia that often excludes far more than it includes.

One protests what a government does.
The other protests who gets to belong.

The difference is one between disagreement and exclusion.

We can and should criticise antisemitism where it occurs. But let’s not pretend that branding multiculturalism as the root of national decay is somehow less socially corrosive.

You say the marchers have a legitimate point about immigration levels. Fair enough, let's have that debate. But once again, it’s being hijacked by those who package it in nationalist dog-whistling, scapegoating, and cultural panic.

For mainstream the discussion to take place, the fringes need to be disavowed. We can't pretend they’re not there.

Because right now, they’re marching at the front.

All demonstrations/protests/riots give me the pip. But, it was obvious that Sunday's expressions of support for Australia - with Australian flags, not those of proscribed terror groups as per the regular anti-Israel, anti-West hate gatherings - were doomed to criticism, before they even occurred, by the usual communists in the media, within the left political machine, and among nutty social media posters.

And, that's what happened. Use the same tactics the loony leftists use, but in a positive way FOR your country and not against it, and they go off the planet - the effing hypocrites.

As for a few people playing ‘Nazis’, when the boot is on the other foot with cameo performances from terrorist supporters on the Bridge, how about someone like our PM saying, it was “mostly peaceful”. No. It doesn't work that way, does it.

It's really pretty simple. The migrants until about the mid 70's were looking for a better life. Those like myself didn't. We came for a different lifestyle, for what the nature of Australia had to offer etc. Nothing economical or political or religious. Then gradually, there were those who were instructed to infiltrate Australian society to change it away from its Western European origins. That movement has gained momentum due to vote buying politicians & corrupt bureaucracy.
The is resulted in the dumbing down of Australians of anglo heritage which wasn't accidental-it is planned & no government has stood up against it & now Anglo heritage society is starting to pay the price. Those, like in the deliberately misnamed anti immigration march are still a minority but they're now gathering support to keep this Nation as it was first planned to be. A multicultural society regulated by the original Western principles.
Many opposers have not adhered to their pledge at naturalisation ceremonies & they're now openly challenging our society which with all its faults is still the only salvageable society. The increasingly blatantly pushed alternative isn't, judging by the situation in the lands they come from.

ttbn,

You’re flattening two very different things into the same category. Flying the Australian flag at a rally isn’t automatically "support for Australia" any more than flying a Palestinian one is automatically "support for terror."

Flags are just symbols. What matters is the context and the message wrapped around them. In Melbourne, that context included a neo-Nazi speaker. That’s not "a few people playing Nazis." That’s giving them a platform.

Likewise, pro-Palestinian marches absolutely should be called out when they tip into antisemitism. But those rallies are framed around opposition to a government’s policies. The "March for Australia" was framed around who gets to belong here at all.

One is about politics. The other is about identity and exclusion.

That’s why the reactions aren’t symmetrical, and why "mostly peaceful" lines don’t work as cover when the extremists are the ones with the microphone.

John

"One is about politics. The other is about identity and exclusion."

What sort of ethnic and cultural diversity is there in Gaza? And with chants like "from the river to the sea" and "gas the Jews", expansion and genocide might be on their agenda. Of course, it could be the Iranian Republican Guard giving things a nudge, but I think the entrenched hatred of others make neonazis look amateurish in comparison.

One of the official (meaning political) first off the rank for the totally disconnected-from-realty troublemakers and fools was the Minister for  Multicultural Affairs, Anne Aly who squealed: “This brand of far-right activism grounded in racism and ethnocentrism has no place in modern Australia”.

We don't hear anything from the Minister about the regular multicultural, antisemitism and hatreds the eastern states are subjected to on an almost weekly basis.

Apparently antisemitism, hatred of the West thinly disguised behind  hatred for the only democracy in the Middle East,  is Aly's idea of “modern Australia”.

Just one more example of multicultural character assignation of ordinary traditional Australians  descended from “settlers” and those post-war migrants who willingly assimilated with the local culture and helped bolster it with hard work and sincerity, not coming here for an easy life provided by Anglo/Saxon/Celtic culture and democracy. 

An insult too to the more recently arrived migrants who joined their fellow Aussies in protesting what is happening to their adopted country - rubbish that they escaped from. 

The political class that is supposed to be guarding our country's traditions and culture, and sharing them with newcomers anxious to come here, are doing exactly the opposite.  

Australia is now, possibly irreparably, divided like never before, thanks not to a few bad eggs who should never been let into our country, but by our own cynical, corrupt, self-serving political class, and their uncontrolled mass immigration, which all Australians, old and new, have every right to speak against. 

We must continue to do so, and stop empowering horrible people by trying to reason with them. They are immune to reason. Division is their goal.

Fester,

Antisemitic slogans like "gas the Jews" are vile, but the distinction I drew remains either way.

There's an irony here, too: the neo-Nazis who spoke in Melbourne would have no problem with those same chants. They’d probably applaud them.

That shows the overlap, not the difference.

When Australians march under a banner that immigration itself is the problem, it paints every migrant community as suspect. That’s identity politics at its ugliest, and it happens right here, not just in Gaza.

When people chant "from the river to the sea," it’s framed as a political position on statehood (however extreme or destructive). When a neo-Nazi takes the microphone in Melbourne, it’s framed as a cultural purge of who belongs in this country.

Both deserve criticism. But pretending they’re the same thing, or that one excuses the other, just blurs the lines until nothing is accountable.

We can condemn antisemitism in Gaza and xenophobia in Australia at the same time. One doesn’t wash the other away.
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ttbn,

Anne Aly’s comment wasn’t "character assassination" of all Australians, it was a pointed description of a very visible element at those rallies. You can disagree with her choice of words, but the moment a neo-Nazi gets the microphone, it’s no longer just "ordinary traditional Australians."

Pretending otherwise is wishful thinking.

Antisemitism in pro-Palestinian rallies deserves to be called out too - and it has been - but that doesn’t erase what happened on Sunday, and it doesn’t make it any less legitimate to describe those rallies as "grounded in racism and ethnocentrism" when that’s exactly what the loudest voices on stage were promoting.

The truth is simpler: immigration policy is a fair topic for debate, and no one is saying otherwise. What undermines that debate is when it’s wrapped in scapegoating and identity tests for who counts as a "real" Australian. That’s division by definition.

Draw a distinct line between reasonable policy arguments and extremist dog-whistling if you want to discuss immigration. Until this happens, the extremists get to define the terms and the rest of us just end up reacting to them.

John,

Yes, I see the irony as well. I think that "them and us", "we were here first" and "rack off' are the building blocks of the voice, Palestinian hatred and romper stomper racism. At least Hitler and the Mufti were bonded by their virulent antisemitism.

GY says;

"There was a neo-Nazi speaker in Melbourne, which was a bit more than unfortunate, and because of the secretiveness of the organisers,"

WELL, the organisers were the neo-Nazi's and it was unfortunate that certain Useful Idiots from the right of politics like Bob Katter were out there supporting the hate and bigotry of the organisers! For a couple of Old Farts on this forum its all about exclusion, never about inclusion!

More Indians could be on the way.

India is in “secret” talks with the Albanese government to build 1 million houses in Australia using Indian migrants. Cost? $500 billion is being bandied about. The Indian Industry Minister is pondering on the idea of Indians  being trained in Australia so that Australian standards could be met. That's a relief, but how about training the 650,000 or so unemployed Australians to start with.

Albanese is so far keeping this revelation  to himself. Probably dopey enough to think that secret actually means secret. Of course they might not vote Labor as 85% of the Indian diaspora does; one of the reasons Albanese prefers foreigners to locals. It won't matter to him that most of them will speak English with an accent worse than a Spike Milligan take off. 

Albanese's deal with his second bestie, Prime Minister Modi,  already recognises Indian qualifications in Australia from secondary school to degree level in Australia; so the idea of  the  training of Indian brickies here could be worth squat. 

As for the making of bricks, Albanese is sh.tting tons of them over his housing fantasy. 

Lastly, where would extra Indians live while they were building all these houses. Board with the 961 thousand of them already here, perhaps. You know: the masses of immigrants causing the housing shortage in the first place.

Someone really hates Indians! Where has this Old Fart got all this "secret" info from? Was he at one of those hate marches yesterday listening to some black clad, balaclava wearing neo-Nazi?

Sussan Ley has blown it again, rabbiting on about a few extremists who tried to hijack the protest against mass immigration - same as the government - instead of talking about the ordinary, fair-dinkum Australians marching with a real grievance against her party's as well as the government's ruinous mass immigration.

A real Opposition leader would promise to slash immigration and dismantle multiculturalism. At least that would give voters an option that they didn't have at the recent election.

"few extremists who tried to hijack the protest" maybe this bloke doesn't consider black clad neo-Nazi's as extremists, they organised and led these riots, led the attacks on peaceful people. The police had to use pepper spray and batons to arrest several of the violent thugs in Melbourne. The "real grievance" is the hatred these White Supremacists have for people not like themselves.

You're a sucker for a conspiracy theory Paul. Here are a couple of pieces of evidence might shake your certainty that it was all a clever plot by neo-Nazis.

Here the Age's neo-Nazi turns out to be a supporter of Israel and Christianity who was attacked by pro-Palestinian demonstrators i.e. not a Nazi at all http://youtu.be/7hW23DLNSlw?si=3RfMNfN3VkgOrDk4.

And this is Channel Nine's coverage of the Sydney march. All very civilised and no sign of the Nazi's, plus a fair vox populi. http://www.facebook.com/share/1YCmAfAmyw/Manners.

-Kudos GY, ttnn, Indyvidual.

Yes we know which ethicity Minister Aly is referring to when she talks about stopping ethnocentrism- Anglo-Celtics, the people that created Australia, from a piece of dirt.

Hopefully these wonderful Anglo-Celtic people are aware of her apparently bait and switch genocidal tactics.

It just shows that "Anti-Racism is Racism".

Every culture needs their own nation.

Of course "Marxism is an Academic Kleptocracy", that believe that "my stuff is their's and their stuff is their's".

Some people say "my country is mine and your country is mine..."

Marxism is happy to believe in state ownership of property when they are the state. They want the world, because the only way they can justify their existence, is by destroying everyone else. No one wants to live in a Marxist country, I wonder why. Maybe it's because Marxist countries don't allow those that produce to keep their production for their own families. As a producer you need to produce stuff that others want. As Elon Musk says we need to reduce government spending and red tape. Why can't I sell food out of my house if it's clean? Why are such high barriers created to ensure cleanliness- is it for cleanliness or for protectionism. Is the government trying to stop innovation to create slavery and scarcity? All in the name of protection of the people... If all resources pass through your hands then you have total power.

Leadership is not about total power, but about faciliating exchange cheaply, to preserve and grow the greatness of your culture. And in a great culture everyone is encouraged to be as great as they can be, and benefitting by common striving, some more successful than others, but all better for it, for eternal beauty not decay, but it's easier to destroy than create, to fight the nobel battle inspite of facing the abyss.

Bob Whittacker said that as a thirteen year old he laughed when he heard about Marxism as a wonderful system where "the farmers and the factory workers lived under an enlightened modern system created by academics". I blatant shakedown power grab by people that can't produce even for themselves (academic abstractionist's rather than realist empirical experientialist's- Sanzio Raphael). But some "rusted on Labor supporters" never grow up, even when their jobs and families are replaced by foreign workers! Workers of the world unite, to convince a great culture to commit suicide, as a bunch of deballed cowards, led around by the smell of 'aimless gossiping lotus clambake split bums- incognito as sophisticates', that don't even have the courage to stand up for their own families! But it's a bit hard when their own families have let evil Machiavellian Asian Totalitarian Interlopers corrupt their family's spirit.

Grow a pair!!

Academia is complicit in the ripping off of Australia, using migration, all the while pretending that they are innocently objective researchers, and seeing their pockets quietly grow.

'many of those people do not accept Western liberal democratic values, let alone Australian ones.'

Western liberal democratic values?
- like mass immigration?

There was Bob (The Mad) Katter, blasting away with a megaphone covered with Nazi symbols.

"Neo-Nazis attack Indigenous protest site after anti-immigration rally in Melbourne as officer allegedly assaulted in Sydney'
At least 50 men, mostly clad in black, approached Camp Sovereignty as sun was setting on Sunday."

GY, there is ample evidence of neo-Nazis leading the riot in Melbourne, they were not on the outer edge, or bring up the rear or down a side street, they were in the forefront

CM

Good on you.

We need to keep stating our case and ignoring the idiots who think that personal attacks on us will shut us down. This is Online Opinion, not Reading And Responding To Online Morons. You know the two I'm referring to.

Canem Malum,

That’s quite a leap. We started with a minister condemning far-right ethnocentrism, and you’ve turned it into a defence of Anglo-Celtic ethnocentrism, a Marxist conspiracy, and a rant about food safety laws.

Let’s not lose sight of the obvious: saying racism has “no place in modern Australia” isn’t an attack on Anglo-Celtics, it’s a defence of equal belonging. If you read it as a threat to “the people that created Australia,” that says more about your assumptions than about Anne Aly’s words.

“Anti-racism is racism” is just a rhetorical trick. By that logic, opposing sexism would be sexist, and opposing corruption would be corrupt. It collapses the very distinction between principle and prejudice.

And no, every culture doesn’t “need their own nation.” Multicultural democracies exist, function, and thrive all over the world. The fact that you can post screeds like this in public without consequence is itself proof that Australian democracy - built by many hands, not just Anglo-Celtics - is stronger than you give it credit for.
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ttbn,

It’s telling that instead of engaging with anything your opponents say actually said, your contribution is to pat CM on the back and call people names.

If the case for exclusion and ethnonationalism were as strong as you think, it ought to stand on arguments rather than applause lines.

Do you ever wonder why others don't have to call you names?

CM

I appreciate the chance to express my opinions. Others are entitled to express different opinions but, frankly, I am not interested in their opinions. I certainly no longer feel any need to take issue with them - it is pointless, made clear by a couple of posters who go hammer and tongs at each to no avail. When they get sick of arguing, they retire still holding the opinions they did at the beginning. They would be better of belting a tennis ball off a wall.

When I see these people's names, I scroll on past. I know exactly what their comments will be. Over my lifetime, which some people think has been too long, I have found that life is much better dealing with people who feel the same way as you do yourself. It's a pity that these aggressive posters in question can't find that sort of peace and certainty.

ttbn.

Fair enough. I also get tired of those endless back-and-forths where people just bash away without listening, and nothing changes. I can see why you’d prefer to spend your time with people who see the world the same way.

Out of curiosity... did you use the wrong handle in your reply, or is "CM" a spirit you converse with?

I find it frustrating when the thread ends up as a them and us stand off. There is reason to support lower rates of immigration that doesn't make you a neonazi. Canada currently has halted high immigration, and it seems to be bringing benefit to Canadians.

It sounds like John Daysh is saying that the race and identity of Anglo-Celtics have “no place in modern Australia”. What! I think this view is genocidal and very wrong, and seems to be symptomatic of extreme Marxist ideology. The Marxist's have been using their concept of "the future" and "the modern" to manipulate society for about a hundred years. We need to stop letting Marxist ideology and their friends from manipulating us and decide what we want.

ttbn- You've listened patiently many times to the blatant Marxist oxygen thieves of the air time, and their domination tactics of the debate in the public square. We need to ignore them and hear from someone different. They ask to let them finish their point, and you wait patiently for your turn, but then they won't listen to yours, and call you names for saying that this is wrong... We need to talk amongst ourselves and to the public that are looking for direction to help them with their own lives. As they say if you don't listen to god, he will spit you out, hopefully Marxist's and their friends that think they are their own gods will spit us out, so we can live our own lives, but sadly they want war and won't leave us alone. We will have to lock them up!

Regarding Mr Sewell- I've noticed that the main stream media has been misreporting Mr Sewell as him wanting to recruit the marchers. From what I heard of his comments he was saying that people don't need to join his group, but they should organise their own groups. We need to stand up for our own culture.

I notice that the "Socialist Alternative" banner is at the front of many Woke/ Marxist rallies. Socialist Alternative is probably the most extreme Marxist group in Australia with significant influential people in the union movement, and with connections to Antifa and other groups that have connections to criminal and violent amd extremist activity overseas. Socialist Alternative is prominent at agiprop at universities around Australia, and has links with Marxist political parties and the website Red Flag. Socialist Alternative seemingly was heavily involved with the failed Voice Referendum. Marxism has been estimated to have killed 100 million people worldwide in a bigotted attempt at cultural purification using gulags, executions, mass starvation, mass killings.

Some wars are necessary, but it's concerning when Marxist groups, often after studying at university, don't have a touchstone to normal people, and believe that they are superior in thought to normal people, and believe or say, that everyone in the world should live under their system.

The institutions have been weaponized not for the Australian people but inverted against them by Anti-Australian political ideology. Using their own taxes. The police, the courts, the schools, etc. We need to resist this, wives should try to behave rationally and support their men rather than attack them, and both need to support their children and teach them together, a broken family is a weak family and a poor family, and their children are hobbled, and their legacy will be forgotten.

Kudos Kid,

"I've noticed that the main stream media has been misreporting Mr Sewell as him wanting to recruit the marchers."

Facts; Thomas Sewell born 1993) in New Zealand, Australian citizen.
Sewll a neo-Nazi activist and organiser, known for controversial public activism, violent criminal conduct, and promotion of National Socialism.
He is the leader of the National Socialist Network, the European Australian Movement and the founder of the Lads Society. The groups led by Sewell focus on promoting white supremacy and far-right activism in Australia.

According to Sewell, in 2017 he attempted to recruit Brenton Tarrant, the eventual perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, into the Lads Society.
Sewell drew public condemnation in 2021 after he attacked a security guard at a television office. In October 2023, he was sentenced to a prison term of one month and seven days after attacking hikers at Victoria's Cathedral Range. A convicted criminal

From his posts it seems Canem Malum is a kindred sprite of one Thomas Sewell. I think the Kudos Kid is a card carrying member of these radical far right organisations. Of course he'll never come clean as he is too ashamed to admit it.

Fester,

You say; "There is reason to support lower rates of immigration that doesn't make you a neonazi." Absolutely agree, but when you fall in behind black clad neo-Nazi's who are in the vanguard of the procession and you are dutifully following behind, you tend to be associated with them up front.

Canem Malem,

Let’s get this straight. Saying “racism has no place in modern Australia” isn’t a call for Anglo-Celtics to disappear. It’s a call for everyone - Anglo-Celtics included - to live as equals without exclusionary hierarchies.

To twist that into “genocide” is not just a distortion, it’s a grotesque inversion.

And your defence of Thomas Sewell says it all. This isn’t a matter of Marxist bogeymen. Sewell is a convicted violent neo-Nazi, on record trying to recruit Brenton Tarrant, the Christchurch terrorist. Pretending he was just encouraging people to “organise their own groups” is apologism, pure and simple.

Paul is right: you can want a debate on immigration without being a neo-Nazi. But if you march shoulder to shoulder with them, or worse, start running interference for their leaders, you don’t get to complain when people make the connection.

The garbage at the ABC- The philosophers zone- Who's responsible for extreme belief's

http://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/philosophers-zone/id135353439

"
It's easy to say that people who hold extreme antisocial beliefs should be held responsible for those beliefs. But in fact, many extremists operate within what philosophers call impoverished epistemic environments - epistemic "bubbles" and echo chambers whose inhabitants might be ignorant of the truth, or subject to manipulation. But does that mean responsibility for extreme beliefs therefore lies with the wider public? And if so, what are we to do about it?
Guest: Anne Schwenkenbecher, Associate Professor of Philosophy and Academic Chair of Philosophy, Murdoch University WA
Producer: David Rutledge
"

I tried downloading a transcript of the podcast (or even the podcast) so that I can criticise the segment point by point but sadly I haven't been able to download it from the ABC even if I pay for it as part of my taxes.

I get annoyed at the ABC and their cowardly unaccountable virtue signalling from on high.

We need to defund the ABC and SBS and the universiies.

It's time that we stop letting our enemies feed us back our taxes as propaganda

In our democratic country we were never asked if we wanted to be replaced.

Anti-immigrant protests
It doesn't fit the official multicultural narrative.
This will be decried as racist and all participants considered heretics that should be excommunicated and limited in their ability to take part in society.

Canem Malum,

You're quoting a podcast segment about epistemic bubbles, then immediately demonstrate why that topic matters.

The segment raises the possibility that extreme beliefs flourish in echo chambers. Your response? To call for the defunding of every institution that might offer alternative perspectives.

That’s not resisting propaganda. That’s surrendering to the echo chamber.

You’ve gone from criticising media bias (a fair topic) to calling for:

- the dismantling of public broadcasting,
- the defunding of universities, and
- suggesting that Australia is in the grip of an “enemy” trying to “replace” you.

That’s not civic concern. That’s siege mentality. And ironically, it confirms exactly what the podcast warned about: people so steeped in their bubble that anything outside of it feels like enemy propaganda.

“In our democratic country we were never asked if we wanted to be replaced.”

No one’s being replaced. We’re not in some Game of Thrones-style succession crisis. What’s happening is natural and inevitable demographic change - all of which is manageable with sound policy. You may not like it, but framing it as a conspiracy to “replace” you is neither democratic nor rational. It’s the language of extremism.

You’re angry at the ABC, angry at universities, angry at migrants, and now angry at a podcast trying to understand why people get so angry they start seeing enemies in every institution. The irony’s so thick it could fund a department.

You want accountability? Start with yourself. If your views can't withstand scrutiny or coexist with dissent, it’s not the ABC that’s fragile.

Kudos Kid and others,

A grub at one of these flag waving riots has been arrested for running amok with a placard supporting the accused murderer of two police officers in Victoria Denzi Freeman, a so called Sovereign Citizen! Out of control Neo-Nazi's, wack job Sovereign Citizens, don't worry you have plenty of like minded supporters on this little forum! Right Fellas!

Did anyone else see the police arrest of the neo-Nazi leader Thomas Sewell outside a Melbourne court today. According to the Kudos Kid poor Mr Sewell is simply misunderstood. With him continually referring to me as a Marxist, Communist, whatever, I only have one word to describe this bloke.

Are these friends of YOURS? More violence from the far right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhG3OdGjSFc

Paul, you miss the obvious hypocrisy of your position. There were probably more readers of Mein Kampf in the antisemitic marches than the March for Australia. And I know which group represents the biggest threat to peace in Australia and the world.

Here's a tweet with an image which makes my point. http://x.com/GrahamY/status/1962841356260495464

And there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to control the level of immigration into your country, but there is in wanting to wipe a whole country out.

It seems that Sussan Ley has offered her support to Albanese to “repair our social cohesion, to strengthen what binds us, and to ensure that every Australian, no matter their background or faith, can feel safe, respected…”.

This is another example of the #me too leftist shift of the Liberal Party. A genuine conservative party would have no truck with with Socialism on this matter: they would be miles apart on how to achieve social cohesion. And the Socialists prefer division; they have done everything possible to divide and rule since they were elected. 

The Liberals are finished as far as  conservative politics go. 

Despite Australians' objections to mass immigration, Tony Burke has just advised that 185,000 immigrants will still arrive in 2025-26. He admits that it is the same ‘Permanent Migration Program’ as last year. He has shared the blame with state governments, who “recommended maintaining the size and composition of the Program, with a focus on skilled migration”.

Skilled migration? A recent revelation suggests that “skilled” migrants have been making up only 8% of migrants. Most of them are useless members of large families, taxi drivers, delivery drivers and low paid menial workers helping to keep wages down, and unskilled locals out of work.

Burke proudly announced that there has been no disruption to the delivery of “the Program”.

Incidentally, the soundly defeated Dutton offered only a reduction in numbers of about 40,000. And the shadow immigration spokesman has dropped that idea, too.

Since the election of Labor in 2022, over one and half million people have been brought in.

"Since the election of Labor in 2022, over one and half million people have been brought in."
- How many homes were built in that time to house them?

GY,

It may be so; " There were PROBABLY (my capitals) more readers of Mein Kampf in the antisemitic marches than the March for Australia." Yes if there was one, then that's one more than the knucle graggers, as they PROBABLY can't read. As for your claim that "Mein Kampf is the sixth-best selling book in the Palestinian territories." A totally unsubstantiated claim, why not say NUMBER ONE not 6th that would make you claim sound a whole lot better. I would be surprised if there are any book shops left in Gaza after what the Zionist Nazi's have done to the place, and cook books wouldn't be the best sellers give the mass starvation. BTW what are the 5 books that outsell Mein Kampf. Maybe you have read it as well, I have in my younger days, a load of rubbish!

As for Ed Husic, Bob Carr and Clover Moore participating in a peaceful demonstration and your doctored photo with Khamenei added. BTW I would be more concerned if it was Naziyahu in the backgroud, a war criminal accused of genocide and the murder of over 60,000 innocent Palestinians.

"And there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to control the level of immigration into your country, but there is in wanting to wipe a whole country out" I'll agree, the latter you are referring to is the Zionist Nazi's wanting to wipe out the whole of Palestinian, and create a pan Israeli state.

"t seems that Sussan Ley has offered her support to Albanese to “repair our social cohesion, to strengthen what binds us, and to ensure that every Australian, no matter their background or faith, can feel safe, respected…”. Well, according to ttbn that's wrong! Me thinks he wants the opposite, a hateful state where those not like himself are persecuted.

"Despite Australians' objections to mass immigration, Tony Burke has just advised that 185,000 immigrants will still arrive in 2025-26." A whole 0.06% of the current population. and this fool calls it "mass immigration"

Looks like the best move for Australia to save itself is for One Nation partnering with the other Conservatives & tell the Liberals to sit back & watch, that way they can't make things worse than they need to be.

I don't read ‘The Australian’, but someone who does advises that the paper reports that the Albanese government is planning to bring more controversial ‘ISIS brides’ back to Australia. That's the Australian females who left here to marry ISIS terrorists, who were later knocked off, leaving their widows and children in camps, with families here moaning about the previous government not allowing them to come back to Australia.

But, of course, anything goes with the Albanese government, and these treacherous females are back on the agenda, it seems.

Sleazy “non-profit” organisations and the families haven't given up ‘assisting’ the ‘group’ to get travel documents and work on the gutless Albanese.

Tony Burke says he is aware of the operation, but that Australia is “not providing assistance”. No. Just welcoming them back! His main problem is that providing “consular assistance to Australians in Syria is extremely limited due to the dangerous security situation”.

Oh, woe! Alas, alack.

So. If he could he would? He would get back a bunch of tarts who gave succour to terrorists and enemies of the West, including Australia?

In 2022 he or somewhere like him allowed four of these terrorists’ molls and thirteen children into Australia.

Three years later, it looks like happening again.

One of the ‘march for Australia’ participants declared the march to be a “magnificent success”; and he said it was probably the only day of the year when Australians were not outnumbered by foreigners in our major cities.

Instead of playing the game ‘spot-the-Aussie’ in the CBD, it was spot-the-foreigner. A pleasant, rare occurrence these days.

“If there was such a thing as a multi-racial “patriotic” Australia, it did not show itself (on the day)".

I understand that there were immigrants in the marches, numbers unknown. But our correspondent said that most of them were in the Leftist gangs opposing the march. Obviously.

ttbn,

You say the Albanese government would stop at nothing, including bringing back "treacherous females" with links to ISIS. The reality is a little less dramatic than that.

In fact, reports confirm that a third repatriation mission is underway. Around 14 adults and 20 children in camps near the Syrian-Turkish border are being quietly brought back to NSW and Victoria soon (The Australian, News.com.au, Sky). No Australian agents are going into Syria - it’s all handled from afar, coordinating with families, aid groups, and regional authorities.

Tony Burke is technically correct: the government won’t extract people in person. What they are doing is facilitating travel documents, reintegration planning, and security monitoring.

So yes, more returnees are on the way. But it’s not about open-door cheerleading - it’s a controlled, security-monitored process aimed at reintegrating vulnerable Australians, especially children, while managing risks appropriately.

When participants boast that it was a rare day Australians weren’t "outnumbered by foreigners," that’s not a policy discussion anymore. That’s a test of identity. By that logic, the immigrants who marched alongside would have been "foreigners."

So where do they fit - “us” or “them”? That’s the problem: it collapses citizenship into "us" and "them," and puts millions of Australians into the "them" column.

If the goal is to debate immigration levels, fair enough. But so long as the loudest voices frame it as "spot-the-foreigner," it won’t be seen as a mainstream policy debate - it will be seen as exclusion.

And rightly so.

Hi ttbn,
"That's the Australian females who left here to marry ISIS terrorists, who were later knocked off, leaving their widows and children in camps, with families here moaning about the previous government not allowing them to come back to Australia."
- I suppose we could let them build a tent city in the desert equal to what they had in a foreign country, but fence them in and don't let them or their terrorist inclined families near the rest of us.
Camp Allah Ackbar, in the middle of the Simpson desert.

Hi John Daysh
"What they are doing is facilitating travel documents, reintegration planning, and security monitoring.

So yes, more returnees are on the way. But it’s not about open-door cheerleading - it’s a controlled, security-monitored process aimed at reintegrating vulnerable Australians, especially children, while managing risks appropriately."

Yeah ok and who will foot the bill for these peoples stupidity?
Why should some Australians pay for the stupidity of others?

Lets say I go and play on the roof of my house and I fall off the roof and break my leg.
Do you think it's fair that everyone has to pay for my medical needs?
We should introduce a 'stupidity charge'.

I say let these ISIS lovers have a choice, make them either pay the cost of their own stupidity themselves, or have 'ISIS loving idiot' tattooed on their forheads, their choice.
That is after they are sent to prison, for doing what the government told them not to do in the first place.

Also I'd make all Uni students pay back every cent of debt.
I think about the 60 year olds cleaning the local public toilets.
And they don't gain anything when Uni grads are let off their debts.
It's just vote-buying.

The person who came up with that should have 'loves giving away other peoples taxes to people who will never have to work shite jobs' tattooed on their foreheads.

Just like the person who decided 'dormant bank accounts go into government coffers' should have 'loves stealing other peoples money' tattooed on their foreheads.

Armchair Critic,

We already accept, as a society, that taxpayers cover the consequences of stupidity. That’s why hospitals treat smokers with lung disease and SES volunteers rescue hikers who ignored weather warnings.

The reason we do it is because the alternative - letting people die in the street or the bush - would say something far worse about us.

The ISIS returnees are Australian citizens. The children are as Australian as anyone else. We don’t get to pretend they’ve ceased to exist because we don’t like their parents’ choices. What we CAN do is manage the risks through surveillance, legal process, and reintegration - exactly what’s being done.

Taxpayers foot the bill for plenty of bad decisions. That’s not new. The real question is whether we want to abandon citizenship altogether, or treat even the worst mistakes within a framework of law and responsibility.

On a purely emotional level, I couldn't give a rat's arse what happens to ISIS wives. On a more rational level, I understand that what abandonment would say about us is potentially far more damaging in the long run.

I am late to this thread but very few seem to realise that Moslems are
encouraged to Migration Jihad.
There is an Arab word for it which I cannot remember.
That word has been used for around a 1000 years.
Listen to the Iranians, why don't you believe what they say ?
It appears that "someone" is monitoring the mosques.
Not that they have to they put it in print enough times.
Do you or your wives want to live under Sharia Law ?
That is the purpose of Islamic immigration.
Think I am waffling ?
Just keep up with what has happened in Britain.

Bazza, you claim to be an "expert" on Islam, but I doubt you are. All 3 monotheistic religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have always believed that it is a duty of followers to "spread the word", but the reality is very few do. In my lifetime I've been bombarded more by zealots of the Christian variety wanting to "convert" me rather than the other two. Any religion taken to extreme is dangerous, Islam is no exception. Fortunately for us, with over half the worlds population professing some kind of adherence to monotheism they don't bother with the zealotsism as well, I make an exception for the JW's that is.

... very few seem to realise that Moslems are
encouraged to Migration Jihad.
Buzz,
Going by the evidence this is an instruction, a duty ! And, just like the British over the past 50 years, Australians too have & to a large extent still are choosing to remain too ignorant on this blatantly obvious fact. I have actually been told by some typical leftists that "if we're nice to them they'll be nice to us" ! ??
This mentality from the mainly educated is simply incomprehensible !
Migration is a two-way street however, this one is a one-way Cul-de-sac ! The Brits & Europeans have woken up to it, many Australians are still too woke !

You are right Paul, I am not an expert on Islam, but I do read
what becomes available. Especially when it is sermons by Imams.
There are plenty of sources available from the horses mouth.
Then there are verses from the Koran.
Then there is history.
There are non so blind etc etc ---
Most think Islam is a religious movement when it is much more
of a political movement.
Just watch how they twist our pollies tails.
Serious demands in Europe for a Caliphate and in Britain already
there are legal Sharia Courts.
What more proof do you need ?

What more proof do you need ?
Bezza,
There's no amount of proof that would make a supporter of islamisation admit that this is what's going on.
This goes for literally anything people are supporting. The difference in Australia appears to be that many are proud of being indifferent.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1123573226538393

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1923379028229579

If these links aren't enough for people to start thinking then I hope they'll cop the full brunt of their stupidity !

Looks like the truth is too hard to comment on !

Indyvidual

If you are referring to the lack of comments on your references, I have to advise that I cannot open them. If I could, I don't have a Facebook account, so probably couldn't use them anyway.

Taharrush- Three ringed rape. I've never heard of this before. Thanks Indyvidual for the post. My view is all cultures should have their own nation. If this is their culture they can stay on their side of a very tall fence. I don't think I should help Muslims or anyone else in mass rape. But Marxism isn't good for Muslim culture either. Marxism wants to burn all cultures to the ground.

It seems that the government and Marxist's are using Muslim rape in a proxy war against Whites. Sound's similar to the mythical Prima Nocte referred to in the movie 'Braveheart'. Remember the "rape of Munich" in 2015.

Kudos Kid,

You need to look at the world from a today's perspective, you and your Marxist rubbish is a hangover from the Cold War era of more than 30 years ago, its past. Times change, the world has moved on, KK, you and other old world sabre rattlers are irrelevant today. There are problems, big problems, but they are nothing to do with Marxism/Communism ideology as you continually blab on about.

Canum Malum,

"Three-ring rape" isn’t a cultural practice, it’s a tabloid description. Taharrush gamea was a term coined by Egyptian media after the Arab Spring to describe mob harassment in Cairo. It isn’t Islam, it isn’t universal, and it isn’t a tradition.

Cologne in 2015 was serious, but it wasn’t some ritual "rape of Munich." Police concluded there were opportunistic assaults in the chaos of New Year’s Eve, carried out by groups of mostly North African men. It was criminal behaviour, not an organised cultural export.

And Prima Nocte? That was a myth, popularised by Braveheart, never a real policy. Using it as a parallel just doubles down on fiction.

If you want to criticise criminal behaviour, fair enough. But painting it as "Muslim culture" or part of a Marxist proxy war against Whites isn’t analysis, it’s conspiracy. It replaces facts with propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults

"Critics have accused the government and media of not adequately reporting the events to avoid talking about the controversial topic of the suspect’s ethnicities.[88] Well-known newspapers, as Süddeutsche Zeitung or Die Welt have reported about the hesitation shown by the police. The latter stated, on January 10, 2016, that "for a week, the truth about the New Year's Eve in Cologne was only available under the counter. Piece by piece, it came to light, because police officers who had been deployed began to talk."[89]"

"The German political scientist Klaus Schroeder in an interview on 6 January 2016 confirmed that, until 4 January, prominent German newspapers had indeed kept negative news about migrants away from their readers, to avoid driving the public "into the hands of the extreme right"."

" Ralf Jäger, Minister of the Interior of North Rhine-Westphalia, on 21 January, nevertheless dismissed the suggestion of premeditated organized attacks: "...groups of men had agreed via social networking sites to meet at the Cologne New Year's Eve celebrations, but there was no information so far that the perpetrators had agreed upon the assaults before New Year's Eve, nor that the groups of offenders had been structured hierarchically," Jäger said."

"The Bundeskriminalamt (German Federal Criminal Police Office) on 10 January asserted that the phenomenon of communal sexual harassment is known in several Arab countries, where it purportedly is called taharrush gamea.[119][120] In February 2016, new Cologne police chief Jürgen Mathies stated, "Such sexual assaults by groups are also a huge problem in, for example, Cairo. These perpetrators probably knew this behaviour of surrounding and then abusing women with many other men from their country of descent".[121][20][106]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_J%C3%A4ger

"Since 1983 he has been a party member of the SPD."

"Jäger was criticised for his handling of the Hogesa demonstrations.[2] He also faced criticism during the aftermath of the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany. The opposition parties in the Landtag criticised him for "acting too late",[3] CDU Secretary General Peter Tauber urged him to step down because of the events.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

According to the site the SPD has an international affiliation with Socialist International.

"Ideology and platform
The SPD was established as a Marxist party in 1875. It underwent a major shift in policies, reflected in the differences between the Heidelberg Program of 1925 which called for "the transformation of the capitalist system of private ownership of the means of production to social ownership""

It appears that both Paul1405 and John Daysh have cultures that predispose them to being complicit apologists for the mass rape of white women. This deserves some analysis, as to why Paul1405 claiming to be from Aboriginal Culture, and John Daysh apparently supporting many Woke Marxist positions, would support damage to white women in particular, and white culture more broadly. This analysis could be used, for example, to understand the Woke Marxist relationship with other cultures.

In other places mass rape of white women in different forms has also occurred, with similar complicit apologism.

From DuckAI- "Apologism refers to the practice of defending a particular belief or doctrine, often in a religious context, through systematic argumentation and discourse."

It seems that Woke Marxism has a doctrine of destabilizing and destroying all cultures, but especially the powerful white Anglo-European cultures either by foreign cultures and/ or self hating Anglo-European sub-cultures.

http://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

"In 1984, a former KGB agent named Yuri Bezmenov claimed that Russia has a long-term goal of ideologically subverting the U.S. He described the process as "a great brainwashing" that has four basic stages: demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization."

According to US Hebrew Foreign Affairs Realist expert Henry Kissinger the US is in the second cold war with the new centre of Marxism "China".

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/492462.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Communiqu%C3%A9s

The 100 year old Kissinger said in an interview with the Spanish newspaper " El Mundo" in 2023 ..."that a new cold war may break out between China and the United States" Kudos Kid said; "According to US Hebrew Foreign Affairs Realist expert Henry Kissinger... "the US is in the second cold war with the new centre of Marxism "China"." Nothing of the sorts was said by Kissinger, a few weeks before his death. The only ones promoting war with China is America, and far right extremists on this little forum, aided and abetted by Trump and his ridiculous economic and foreign policies. KK the space cadet you need to get a grip on it, or let it go altogether!

The only ones promoting war with China is America
Paul1405,
Wrong, so utterly & totally wrong ! It's the parasitic Left that causes so much friction world-wide. Look at the sillies; the Germans, French, Dutch & other so-called civilised societies led by the Leftists of Not-so Great Britain. It's their antics that cause the friction with China & Russia.

Canem Malum,

Calling me or Paul "complicit apologists for the mass rape of white women" is a slander, not an argument. Nothing either of us has written defends sexual violence - we’ve defended the principle that citizenship and facts matter, even when emotions run hot.

You keep reaching for the same pattern: start with a real problem (Cologne 2015), exaggerate it into "Muslim culture," and then inflate it into a global Marxist plot. It’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory with a rotating cast of villains - Muslims, Marxists, China, Bezmenov, Kissinger.

If you want to argue for lower immigration, argue for it. If you want to criticise failures of policing, criticise them. But branding critics as rape apologists and spinning Cold War conspiracies doesn’t strengthen your case, it just shows you’ve got nothing left but insults.

"complicit apologists for the mass rape of white women" is a slander, not an argument.
John Daysh,
I'd say that going by your examples, CM's remarks don't fall into the term of slander. Warranted assumption is what they are & you're arguing them.
I'm suspecting that John Daysh is possibly Paul1405 & I think there's definitely an eastern culture connection. How else can the subtle anti-White sentiments be explained ?
I actually agree with the pointing at White failure however, I also agree with pointing at all other ethnic failures. Just as I agree with acknowledging the positives of all ethnicities.

Indyvidual,

You're calling it a “warranted assumption” that I’m a complicit apologist for mass rape - based on what? That I defend the principles of citizenship, due process, and factual argument over conspiracy and scapegoating?

And your suggestion that Paul and I are the same person is downright bizarre. I don't think for a second you believe that. Our posting styles a completely different and it would serve absolutely no purpose for Paul to create a second account. Your suggestion merely serves the same purpose as CM's accusation - to delegitimise.

As for your “eastern culture connection” theory - do you hear yourself? You’ve gone from debating immigration policy to insinuating my ethnicity or name somehow disqualifies me from participating without “anti-White” bias. That’s not just bad faith; it’s textbook ethno-nationalist paranoia.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if your arguments require accusing people of hidden loyalties, racial betrayal, or secret identities to make sense, they probably don’t make sense.

If you believe there’s a case for lower immigration or stronger cultural cohesion, make it. But if you’ve reduced your entire worldview to "those who disagree must be foreign," then I don’t need to rebut you.

You’ve already disqualified yourself.

Indy,

I am not John Daysh, and John Daysh is not me, hope you are satified. Over the years I have been open about my political allegiances, affiliations, locations, family etc, far more than most posters on this forum. Unlike YOU, I am not ashamed of my ancestry, or my place of birth, nor my political history. YOU wont even say what country YOU were born in, how strange. At some point all my ancestors were migrants to this country, some by choice, others not so (convicts), just like you.
I recall when I disclosed I had a small degree of Aboriginal ancestry, that one of my great grandfathers (we all have 4 of those) was the son of a white father and black mother, and I said I didn't identify as Aboriginal, that seemed to enrage YOU, and YOU retorted with the racists barb that I was nothing more than a "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY"! So be it. The only affinity I have with the bunnies is I support the South Sydney Rabbitohs football team, known as the bunnies!

if your arguments require accusing people of hidden loyalties, racial betrayal, or secret identities to make sense, they probably don’t make sense.
John Daysh,
Your reply reeks of me hitting a nerve !

YOU retorted with the racists barb that I was nothing more than a "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY"!
Paul1405,
Kindly please point to racist part of that !

Indyvidual,

If that's what you think, the you're ability to read tone is as lacking as your ability to distinguish between writing styles.

//Your reply reeks of me hitting a nerve !//

I've gone over my reply to you a few times now, and it reads as calmly as I felt when I wrote it. Projection perhaps?

Ah well the thread has diverted into personal argument.
Have you all forgotten about the Bil Al gang in Sydney ?

Oh Dear Indy,

Concrete Jungle Bunny

"A contemptuous term used to refer to a Black person, living in an urban environment." That's you Indy, contemptuous of black people, your posts would indicate that fact."

But I still love you like a brother.

"A contemptuous term used to refer to a Black person, living in an urban environment."
Paul1405,
The term "Concrete" was not in the the derogatory term you refer to ! I made that up in reference to mostly white people living in the high rise jungles of cities. Stop making things up.
Better go back to bed & have another session with your alter ego !