Why has the Albanese government lowered the minimum English requirement for would-be immigrants?

To replace the population with left wing voters more quickly?
Because better educated people don't wish to live in Australia?

Assimilation and employment suitability are clearly not a requirement for the far-Left government.

The reduction is a “significant drop” in English ability requirements from being “able to understand sentences and frequently used expressions” to a person who “can only understand and use familiar, everyday expressions and VERY BASIC PHRASES".

The move is “reckless and out of touch with the pressures facing Australians”, according to Andrew Hastie, who has apparently forgotten that his own party previously hankered after a Big Australia.

But, the Albanese government imported a million people in its first two years in government - 70% more than any other two year period.

Instead of moderating immigration, Labor is increasing immigration; worse, it is increasing numbers with people who are not proficient in the language of the country they wish to live in.

Multiculturalism, ghettos, identity politics have now made it easy for a political class, interested only in creating opposing groups they can control, and encouraging those separate groups to operate and seek favours unavailable to others, to continue, on a large scale, to steadily increase the Balkanisation of Australia.

In the 1980s, American author William Lind, evoked the idea of “fourth generation warfare”: where the distinction between war and peace would be blurred. China's treatment of Australia and the rest of the West almost half a century later is fourth generation warfare.

Australia and most other Western countries have allowed their enemies, Chinese Communists and Islamist through their gates without a shot being fired. Mass immigration has played a part in conquering Western values and culture; particularly as unprincipled politicians view immigrants, no longer encouraged to assimilate, only in terms of votes and taxes.

Given time, and unless more people start taking notice of what is also called ‘grey warfare’, the West will disappear; Australia and other countries will be just like those the immigrants came from.

Who needs a conventional war to get what they want! China knows it has Australia where it wants it. The recent mischievous naval demonstration by CCP naval units off our coast, and Albanese's excuses for it, clearly showed Xi that he has Albanese in his pocket, and that there is no reason to threaten Australia physically. China’s fourth generation war victory is almost won already. Total victory will occur sometime in the future, unless Donald Trump and America lose all patience and rescue us from Albanese and the likes of the diffidently grinning, gawky-looking schoolgirl supposed to be opposing Albanese.

WTF?

It has been pointed out to ttbn many times in the past that English is not Australia's official language.

Australia has no official language but it is difficult to navigate through society if you struggle with English.

Thousands have learned their English after arriving in the past and many more will in the future.

Regardless of one's position on current immigration numbers any regular readers on this forum see this for what it is.

Just another opportunity for ttbn to rage against those who are different to him.

ttbn,

The “lowering” you’re talking about applies only to certain temporary visa subclasses. The English requirements for students and graduates have actually increased. Your CEFR “significant drop” example is cherry-picked without context, and higher-proficiency requirements remain in other streams.

The changes are a refinement to better meet our needs, not a loosening of requirements.

Permanent residents can’t vote, and it takes years to gain citizenship - so the idea of “importing more Labor voters” doesn’t hold up. By the time new citizens can vote, their political leanings are shaped by years of lived experience here, and many migrant communities lean socially conservative. They’re also overrepresented among small business owners, who tend to favour the Coalition's economic policies.

The “million people in two years” figure reflects pandemic catch-up and includes large numbers of temporary entrants like students and working holiday makers - not just permanent settlers with low English. Australia remains a top destination for skilled migrants and students. The challenge is processing times and global competition, not a lack of interest from the “better educated.”

Speaking of which, aren't you lot always banging on about how the "better educated" vote Green and Labor anyway?

Ironically, these changes could just as easily create more future Coalition voters as Labor ones.

Something about Multilingual Australia.

Obviously, they acknowledge the ‘traditional owners’ of Boorloo: which is what the people they acknowledge call Perth, the place where MA gathers.

They announce that 429 languages are spoken in Australia; that 183 of them are indigenous languages, and 16,000 people use ‘Auslan’ at home. Auslan, is not so much a ‘language’ as it is ‘signing’ as used by deaf people.

English doesn’t get a separate mention even though 72% of Australians, 18.3 million, speak only English.

Multilingual Australia is “dedicated” to creating a “language-friendly Australia”, bless them.

They are supposed to have been founded by “parents” in 2002, but don’t seem to have expanded beyond Perth since then. They are funded by the state government.

Apart from amusing themselves, they don't seem to have achieved much. The 2024 Census revealed that only 24.8% of people in Australia were bilingual - let alone multilingual, and only 22.3% of them spoke a language other than English in the home.

Nick Cater realises that relaxing English requirements is an “act of national self-harm”.

It is. But the Australian political class will benefit. They are interested in what they can squeeze out of the nation before they have to escape to somewhere nice, like Switzerland.

Nick thinks “thoughtlessness” is the kindest explanation for the Assistant Immigration Minister's trashing of the importance of the English language in an English-speaking country.

On the contrary, I think a lot of thought has gone into the decision, in the quest for more ignorant people who will vote Labor out of gratitude.

Note “assistant” . Think: the monkey doing the organ-grinder's job; or, why does it take two to make such a mess of the portfolio? Or, are two ministers needed to speed up the population replacement policy?

A person who can score only the new requirement of 24 out of 30 has only a “rudimentary” knowledge of English; which wouldn't get him into even wet-Left Canada on a work visa.

They couldn't get into the UK either, if they tried the legal way.

Worse than ‘not much English’ is some fool's recent suggestion that “ … the Australian citizenship test be conducted in languages other than English”!

Apparently, a group of Fifth Columnists called itself ‘Multilingual Australia’ has deemed that there is a “tendency” to view Australia through the “narrow prism” of an “English-speaking society” which is muddying the waters of cultural, ethnic and religious inclusion,

Auslan is a language, ttbn.

It has its own grammar and syntax, independent of English, and is recognised in Australia as the primary language of the Deaf community. Dismissing it as “just signing” is like dismissing any other minority language.

English remains overwhelmingly dominant in Australia. The Census shows 72% speak only English at home, and most who speak another language are also fluent in English. Multilingual Australia’s advocacy isn’t about replacing English - it’s about inclusion for communities that already exist here, and it doesn’t remove English from public life.

Regarding the visa changes, a PTE score of 24 is not “24 out of 30.” PTE is scored on a scale from 10 to 90, and 24 equates to IELTS 4.5 - “functional English” under our migration framework. That’s enough for basic communication, and most entrants continue improving their English after arrival. At the same time, requirements for students and graduates have actually gone up.

Finally, the “grateful Labor voters” conspiracy theory still faces the same problems:

- permanent residents can’t vote,
- citizenship takes years,
- and many migrant communities lean socially conservative - and sometimes economically - sometimes aligning more with the Coalition’s positions than Labor’s.

If that’s a Labor vote-harvesting scheme, it’s a spectacularly inefficient one.

G'day John,

My experience with migrants from non-English speaking countries over about 40 years, is the majority speak fairly reasonable English, as a second language, men more so than women. Those with Tertiary educations, generally speak very good English. Indians are really a surprise they probably speak better English than ttbn.

p/s Had an Australian woman to deal with yesterday, at crises central, her lingo went something like this; "I f'n told him, I had f'n had enough, he's just F'n... f up! Doesn't f'n know what he's f'n do'n" That's a f'n true story, maybe she should be deported back to F'nville where she came from!

If you're interested ttbn there is a protest against high levels of immigration on the 31st August in all states.

http://marchforaustralia.org/

This is similar to many recent protests around the world. I understand even the apparently "immigration extremist" Trudeau has been forced to backflip on immigration.

http://www.newsweek.com/justin-trudeau-admits-immigration-mistakes-canada-changes-policy-1988094

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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government "made some mistakes" on immigration while outlining the country's plans to reduce the number of immigrants arriving under its permanent residency program over the next three years.

In YouTube videos posted on Sunday, Trudeau made the remarks in English and French, saying, "Bad actors, like fake colleges and big chain corporations, have been exploiting our immigration system for their own interests.
The prime minister said, "Far too many colleges and universities used international students to raise their bottom line because they could charge these students tens of thousands of dollars more for the same degree."

He continued, "There are really bad actors who outright exploit people, who target vulnerable immigrants with promises of jobs, diplomas and easy pathways to citizenship—promises that would never come true."
"

But Australia's extreme genocidal immigration policy seems to be at even greater levels.

Many Australian inner cities districts have been taken over by international student slums.

Better to be racist than dead...

We the founding culture of Australia need to create a nation that ensures the survival of our children. We can't help everyone on the Earth. It is the responsibility of other cultures to look after their children's future.

For thousands of years cultures have had to protect their interests from outsiders seeking to exploit their discipline and productivity, this time is no different. There are many ways that outsiders will seek to take your belongings.

If our culture is to serve as an example to the world, our culture must survive. If the world don't want to follow our example that is their choice.

It's cowardice to suicide western culture, in a slow death of dissolution, to a nihilistic world.

We don't tell outsiders how to live, and we don't let others tell us.

If outsiders want to learn from us, mostly we have been happy to explain.

Better to be racist than dead!

Good points, Paul.

The data I’ve seen lines up with your experience, and that example you gave of the woman at crisis central is perfect.

Mate, you know what I reckon? Fckin’… I reckon we round the lot of ’em up and shoot ’em, rite? I mean, the fckin’ abbos are comin’ ’ere by the boatload, mate!

Fckin’… I seen this one darky the other day, rite - the ones with the towels around their fckin’ heads - I seen him linin’ up at fckin’ Centrelink.

Mate, me and the missus gotta support the fckin’ kids, rite? How we supposed to do that when we’re supportin’ him too? Sinkin’ a carton of piss every night ain’t makin’ it any fckin’ easier - I'll tell ya that much!

And they’re takin’ all our fckin’ jobs, mate! If I lose me job, where am I gonna get a new one?

Fckin’ Schrödinger’s immigrants, I tell ya.

G'day John,

I mentioned somewhere here about a Tamil mate. They came to Australia 2 1/2 years ago he's a qualified engineer on the skilled migration program. Got a very good job, rented a house, bought a new car,now saving hard to buy their own place. They have just had their second daughter. Surprisingly their oldest daughter when she went to primary school here, she was year 7, but she was well ahead with reading, writing, mathematics, was about 2 years above her class average. Funny story, when they arrived I naturally said we'll go for dinner, "I know a nice local Indian restaurant", my mate said; "Can we go elsewhere, we eat curry at home all the time, we're going out." So I took them to a Turkish place. He spent some years working in Germany, said there's really good Turkish restaurants in Germany. The fact is there are a very normal family.

Even the oldest daughter shows me up, I asked her; "Do you like McDonalds?" she replied; "Yes, but do you know its not good for you, its very bad for you."....."What about K Fried?" I said do you know the ABC? she looked at me like I was stupid, then proceed to rattle off A to Z in double quick time. Gee, you're smarter than me, hummmm. I'm sure that girl is 9 going on 35.

CM

I'm not a fan of mass demonstrations no matter the cause. Mass movements attract people who lack confidence in themselves as individuals; and they don't achieve anything. The ballot box is the place to make changes, and Australians made it clear that a far Left, authoritarian, anti-American government is what they want. It cannot be denied. I have no sympathy for the average Australian, but I do recognise that our ridiculous voting system needs replacing if we really want to punish errant politicians, who sometimes “admit” their wrong-doing (Trudeau) but keep on doing it; and if they are forced to go, the drones replace them with someone just the same: a bit like battered wives who discard a brutal husband, but replace him with something similar.

The illegal Sydney Harbour Bridge demonstration of hatred and stupidity is just one example of good-for-nothing mob anger that won't achieve anything. Netanyahu has got even tougher, and publicly branded Israel's erstwhile ally as ‘shameful’.

Most of the participants were unknown nutjobs; with a few known nutjobs: Julian Assange, Antoinette Lattouf, Mehreen Faruqi, Libertarian John Ruddick, and Bob Carr; and a big photo of Muslim murderer Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Just the sort of rabble Australia needs to be identified with!

A few Labor MPs were not important enough to be identified.

Gone is the time when Australia was celebrated as a place where there was no room for the hostilities of the old world. All for nothing. Life will go on elsewhere despite idiots ruining our reputation.

The biggest laugh is the draconian desire to ban ‘hate-speech’ while condoning it to the whole world on an Australian icon, and calling it a ‘peaceful demonstration’.

Paul,

Your Tamil mate’s story really illustrates how far reality is from the caricature some people paint.

If English proficiency and education are what keep a culture strong, then families like his aren’t a threat - they’re a boost. His daughter is already ahead of the curve academically, understands nutrition better than many adults, and will grow up bilingual in a country that could actually use more of that.

The funny thing is, if we’re being honest, a bigger challenge to “preserving Australian culture” isn’t skilled migrants with functional English - it’s the parts of Australian culture that wear low literacy, lack of education, and anti-intellectualism like a badge of honour.

If English ability is your yardstick for who’s “fit” to be here, then the real problem isn’t at the border, it’s in our own backyard.

Answer- Ttbn- The reason I'm promoting this demonstration is because it is a way to spread our message and keep people on message. There are many useful results of talking about our ideas amongst ourselves but many avenues for talking amongst ourselves or in public through the media are denied to people on the Traditionalist side of politics, even in our ostensibly democratic nation. As Elon Musk says traditionalists don't have access to the town square. It shows that many give lip service to democratic principles as long as the public doesn't have any real agency. But there is some risk to those attending rallies. The police seem to have crossed the line into politics, and authoritarian extremism. There is a risk of being doxed by our political enemies and loosing your job, family, etc for expressing your opinion. Our political enemies don't face the same challenges as we do, hopefully this is why we will win. I suspect in many cases the police facillitate the doxing of traditionalist's. But the police are downstream of Marxist/ Woke/ Labor governments in many cases and live under their own tyrannical threat over their jobs, families, children, future. John Locke, the father of liberal democracy, promoted governments free of gangs but sadly we just have bigger gangs, making Locke a mafia boss, and democracy "depositism".
Governments know that they made a mistake stopping the white Australia policy, so rather than admitting their mistake, and fixing it, they kick the can down the Marxist road, double down on the Marxist rhetoric, and stomp on free speech.
I believe that most of the problem lies in Marxist indoctrination through universities.
I would love to chat with you ttbn at a rally some day. So would many people I know.
Take care mate.

Ttbn- Remember we don't have to feed the ugly noisy trolls. We can talk to each other and to the empty space, filled with quiet minds waiting for a chance, that recognise manipulation, even if they don't know what to do about it. For every loud mouth there are ten quiet ears listening for wisdom. As you've said wisdom isn't created in the academy, the academy should be seeking the wise, but doesn't have the wisdom to do it. One definition- Wisdom is knowledge of how to use knowledge.

Ironically, Canem Malum, we’re in a “town square” right now!

Further to this:

- Sky, 2GB, Spectator, The Australian, Rebel News, and most on X say the same things daily to massive audiences.

- Neo-Nazi rallies have been held in recent years, filmed and reported on without the organisers vanishing into gulags.

- Multiple Senators and MPs push this exact rhetoric in Parliament - and on national TV.

- Facebook groups, Telegram channels, podcasts, and YouTube shows run 24/7 for “traditionalists,” all free to join.

- Even complaints about being silenced are broadcast… loudly… in real time… without consequence.

The microphone works just fine, it seems. The problem is that the messages have no basis in reality.

CM

Our rulers have certainly lost confidence, common-sense, and honesty in the half century since the White Australia Policy was abolished. They used to make laws for us prior to 1973, now they make them for the United Nations.

Yes. We can ignore the “ugly noisy trolls”, but the media glorifies them, and people like our appalling Prime Minister, a liar, claims that 100,000 people, many of them not even Australian citizens, speak for our country.

I'm not sure that the ‘quiet Australians’ who do indeed outnumber the thugs, are much use any more, following their re-electing of a government that left no doubt in its first term that it was incompetent, authoritarian, anti-American, and all the other things that remind us of that other Fascist Italian, Benito Mussolini, who did pretty much everything to Italy than is now being done to Australia.

Good on you for withstanding and not feeding the noisy and ugly trolls on OLO.

ttbn,

If the “quiet Australians” really do outnumber the so-called thugs, and if they’re free to vote - which they clearly are - then what we’re talking about isn’t censorship or silencing.

It’s just that when given the choice, the majority didn’t agree with you. That’s not suppression of democracy, it’s the outcome of democracy.

And by your own account, those “quiet Australians” are less useful to you than the noisy ones - which makes it sound like your problem isn’t that people are being silenced, it’s that the people who agree with you aren’t persuasive or motivated enough to carry the day.

If anything, the fact they re-elected a government you can list a dozen faults for should be more troubling to you than any protest on the Harbour Bridge.

It suggests your frustration isn’t with “not being heard” - it’s with not having the numbers.

... the majority didn’t agree with you.
John Daysh,
You sound rather sure of this, I'll keep that in mind once the enquiries commence & will remind you of these words !

Correction-

"John Locke, the father of liberal democracy, promoted governments free of gangs but sadly we just have bigger gangs, making Locke a mafia boss, and democracy "depositism". "

Was supposed to be-

"John Locke, the father of liberal democracy, promoted governments free of gangs but sadly we just have bigger gangs, making Locke a mafia boss, and democracy "despotism". "

Very well said John,

In 2019 ttbn was extolling the virtues of The Australian Conservative Party, heaping lavish praise on his new found wonder god, that "Churchillian" leader of all conservatives, Corny Banana! ttbn waxed lyrically as to what awaited Australia, as the great messiah Corny, would sweep aside neo liberals, and misguided progressives and march upon the hallowed halls of the Australian Parliament, and assert his authority as the nations 31st and greatest Prime Minister. A new found Caesar, just as Julius had marched triumphantly into Rome, Corny would march triumphantly into Canberra. Truly a man in the mould of the great conservative himself 'Pig Iron' Bob. Unfortunately, things didn't quite go to plan. Despite Corny and his entourage jet setting first class, staying at only the best 5 star establishments, and dinning Sumptuously at the finest of restaurants, it just didn't happen as planned! It was all the fault of those pesky unintelligent, uninformed and unworthy voters! Corny and his party scored less than half a percent of the popular vote, ttbn was left totally flabbergasted, vowing to turn communist! After all it was some of his aged welfare that went towards the great phonies campaign. However there is hope, there is always the fish n'chip shop lady, someday, you never know, what might be inflicted upon us.

In the 2023-24 financial year, the AFP received 382 reports of human trafficking and slavery, which included:

109 reports of human trafficking (inclusive of entry, exit and child trafficking);
91 reports of forced marriage;
69 reports of forced labour;
59 reports of sexual exploitation;
21 reports of domestic servitude;
10 reports of debt bondage;
16 reports of deceptive recruitment;
Four reports of slavery;
Two reports of harbouring; and
One report of organ trafficking.

The AFP believes that many more cases are not reported, hinting that that could be down to the public’s “ignorance of other peoples cultures”. Or, could it be the public knows alright, but they are not prepared to risk police action themselves for criticising ‘holy’ multiculturalism, mass immigration, and no encouragement to integrate with the host culture?

We are told that all cultures are ‘equal’, and we are a bunch of racists; now they want us to report these cultural practices that are not - suddenly - equal to our own.

Very few Australians living under the Albanese regime are brave enough or silly enough to say ‘boo’ about things brought on by the regime via its dangerous, careless immigration policies and the enforcement of multiculturalism.

The Federal Plods mutter something about raising awareness of Australian law.

How do all these immigrants get a visa without knowing our laws! What has been wrong with successive immigration Ministers, and their department!

ttbn said- "I'm not sure that the ‘quiet Australians’ who do indeed outnumber the thugs, are much use any more, following their re-electing of a government that left no doubt in its first term that it was incompetent, authoritarian, anti-American"

Answer- Generally I would blame myself for the election result for not explaining things well enough to the public. The public can only make decisions based on the information that they have. I think that sooner or later the public have to see the truth behind the glittering generalities, but by spinning the public around the tricksters can keep things going for a fair while (like pin the tail on the donkey). Also as said, many on our traditionalist side have been cancelled, some losing jobs, divorced, even losing bank accounts (apparently Commonwealth). Some traditionalist activists have been targeted by police on tenuous grounds. Some journalists have been sacked for interviewing traditionalist activists, creating an effective media ban.

I think that police arrested traditionalist activists on tenuous charges in your town earlier on Australia Day. Seemingly charges were designed to prevent home break-ins, but they were just walking down the street in daylight, some spent over a month in lockup, later being released without charge.

I agree it's surprising the public didn't see what we do, at the last election, they seem confused and defeated and don't even want to use their own eyes. Hopefully we can give them the courage to stand up for themselves.

To Indyvidual's comment- In previous eras people were shot for treason. There has to be a deterrent.

Ttbn- I think that Anglo culture has been shown to be less than equal at least by our politicians, universities, legal profession. We aren't entitled to the territory that we created. They are the racists! BLM is a joke, Africa is four times the size of the US. Standard Taoist/ Marxist agi-prop- In Taoism you do something by doing the opposite- In this case you enact racist policies at the same time as accusing the victim of being racist (also known as DARVO).

ttbn,

Those AFP figures don’t show “tolerance” for these crimes. They show they’re illegal, being reported, and being investigated. That’s the system working, not turning a blind eye.

It’s also a leap to treat every case as proof of an immigration failure. Forced marriage, trafficking, and exploitation can be committed by Australian citizens too - including those born here. The AFP data doesn’t even say all the alleged offenders were migrants.

Visa applicants already go through background checks, security vetting, and English testing. Criminal acts that happen after entry are no more proof that the visa process “failed” than crimes by citizens prove that citizenship is broken.

And the “all cultures are equal” strawman misses the mark.

Saying cultures have equal worth isn’t the same as saying every cultural practice is acceptable. We've has always drawn that line - that’s why polygamy, forced marriage, and slavery are banned, regardless of who tries to practice them.

If anything, a rise in reports suggests more awareness and trust in law enforcement, not that these crimes suddenly appeared. Treating their existence as proof immigration is inherently dangerous is like saying domestic violence is proof marriage itself is a failed institution.
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Canem Malum,

It’s worth noting that the people you’re talking to here are openly disagreeing with you… without fear of that happening.

//In previous eras people were shot for treason.//

That alone tells you this isn’t an “era” where dissent is being crushed in the way you’re implying.

If “cancellation” means the loss of a job, a platform, or an account, that’s still a long way from the state-sanctioned executions you’re nostalgically referencing. And it makes the “no access to the town square” line hard to take seriously when you’re in the square right now, saying this to hundreds of readers.

If you want to convince anyone outside the echo chamber, you’d be better served showing evidence of targeted police or employer misconduct, rather than indulging in imagery that sounds like you wish political opponents faced firing squads.

That just proves the other side’s point about the dangers of your rhetoric.

There is a difference between dissent and treason.

Indeed, Canem Malum.

//There is a difference between dissent and treason.//

The problem is you’ve been calling “treason” things that are actually just legal, democratic disagreement.

If you define treason as “enacting policies I oppose,” then your distinction from dissent disappears.

It just becomes a word you use to make political opponents sound like criminals.

The line peddled by the extreme posters, ttbn and the Kudos Kid is, if you don't agree with me then you're a traitor, and you should be shot. Under their perfect totalitarian regime, there is no place for dissent, there is only treason, and therefore such people should be shot. In this perfect world of theirs, the firing squad is kept very busy, as it was in past regimes they agreed with. For these mad nut jobs Nazism, Fascisms etc brings "stability" and social order, as all opposition is eliminated or silenced. There is no room for protest, protesters are disloyal, and counter productive to good social order and have to be dealt with, as all disloyal traitors are dealt with...the firing squad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14974085/Pauline-Hanson-makes-explosive-claim-Anthony-Albaneses-election-win-warns-prediction-Australia-come-true.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawMIoSlleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETExRVlrb3gxVnpTaWZDeEhGAR6Z2EJh9DCur9T1UgpVVeGvIuzSVdNe6zAI09Ih5pBtn6h418Z4jQWT77VrZg_aem_2-3AIcNNRAaoxtP2oIsPvw
John Daysh,
I didn't expect this to start that soon !

Indyvidual,

I’ve seen that line of reasoning doing the rounds amongst young bogans in rightist echo chambers, but I would have expected that someone of your more advanced age would understand how preferences work.

This was all covered in detail a few weeks ago when it was explained to ttbn.

We don’t elect governments by adding up everyone’s first preferences nationally. We elect one MP per seat, and each seat is won only after someone gets over 50% of the vote in that seat - including preferences. That’s how the House’s preferential system works.

Preferences aren’t “back-room deals” either. Parties can hand out cards suggesting an order, but voters number the boxes themselves, and that’s what the AEC counts.

If you look at the measure that actually compares Labor and Coalition after preferences - the two-party-preferred - Labor won 52.13% to the Coalition’s 47.87%. That’s a clear majority under the system we’ve used for over a century.

And if a government needs 50% of the primary vote to have a mandate, then plenty of past Coalition governments were “illegitimate” too - including Howard’s in 1998, when he actually lost the national two-party-preferred.

Basically, Labor won the seats, won the two-party vote, and formed government exactly the way the rules have always said you do.

But this is off-topic.

But this is off-topic.
John Daysh,
You wish ! It's your echo chamber vs ours. The people are fed up with forking out for tax after tax to keep your bandwagon rolling. How about substance in place of perpetual theory for a change ?

Indy,

What us taxpayers are fed up with is forking out tax after tax to keep YOU with your snout firmly fixed in the aged welfare trough. Why don't YOU do us all a favor, and pack up and get back to where YOU came? That's right YOU can't, your mob bombed that sh!thole out of existence!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/764688822753520
Paul1405,
Your mates in New York ?

What's your point Indy, trying to point out more of your CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNIES are you. Looked like a bunch of blokes having an argument to me. At least my culture is not like yours, we don't run around setting each others pants on fire, that's what your mob do!

Paul1405,
I sense you don't like the similarity in that video with you ?

Indy,

The point is, you are racist who hates black people, nothing funny in that. That seems to be the point of your clip.

you are racist who hates black people
Paul1405,
It beats me why you insist on being wrong at everything you remark on. You don't call me racist when I remark on stupid, greedy & generally bad white people but you bleat racist as soon as you can sense that other than Caucasian is hinted at for the same bad traits.
Such accusations are invariably made by those with a mentality that finds the accusation of racism as a universal excuse. Sad really because I think you have the intelligence to be better but your mentality is letting you down at every turn.

Indy,

Tell me want point you were trying to make with that clip you posted, if it wasn't racially motivated? The sad thing is most racists don't believe they are any such thing. Do you have a clip of a white fella nutting off, why didn't you post that?

I think Paul1405 hates white people and wants to see them removed from Australia or merged into the background. All the while being as pure as the driven snow. I don't think that Paul1405 wants to protect white culture but wants to protect Aboriginal culture.

Canem Malum,
I don't believe Paul1405 has any link to Aboriginality, his mentality is simply not Aboriginal. He's obviously Subcontinental playing the race card & without the word racism he'd literally have nothing to work with.
He gives the impression of being a sad angry failure of a human being.

Indy,

The fella you called a Concrete Jungle Bunny calling, and you say you're not a racists. I still can't workout why you posted that clip of some angry black fella. Still wont say what the point is, other than he's black, and we know what you think of black fellas.

Kudos Kid,

What's this about white culture, what exactly is this white culture you speak of? Meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars. No, I never said, I want to see white people removed from Australia or merged into the background, what's that merge in the background BS? You might be white, no loss if you were removed. "protect white culture but wants to protect Aboriginal culture." What's that all about? Why does white culture need protecting?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2094400880971090
To think Labor is actually assisting these sleeper cells to come here ! Suicide wish perhaps ?

Concrete Jungle Bunny
Paul1405,
Exactly at what point is that becoming racist ? You really should refrain from remarking on things you clearly have no understanding of only indoctrinated hatred !

Concrete Jungle Bunny is an interesting term...

It seems to refer to a time when small brained relatively unsophisticated humans lived in trees in the African jungle and juxtaposes it with seemingly small brained unsophisticated behavior by those of superficial African appearance (at least relative to white people) that occupy and have taken over a different sort of high technology concrete jungle.

The term also seems to relate to the habit of these unsophisticated groups to "breeding like rabbits or bunnies" poor free range children sometimes without known parentage, and without prospects of benefitting from the sophisticated concrete environment.

Woke / Marxist's / Hebrew activist and mentor of Hilary Clinton, "Saul Alinsky" in Rules For Radicals talks about the power of ridicule. But it appears that radicals don't like ridicule being used against themselves.

I think that Paul1405 seemingly a big lover of ridicule himself should perhaps grow a thicker skin and stop whinging about the use of the term Concrete Jungle Bunny. If he can't take it he shouldn't dish it out. And if the culture in question takes the ridicule to heart maybe they could dig themselves out of the apparent misery hole of their existence.

Maybe Paul1405 could also take his head out of the apparent sandy misery hole of self serving Woke / Marxism and look around a bit.

Kudos Kid,

You conveniently drop the word concrete, to begin with. According to YOU; "Jungle bunnies small brained relatively unsophisticated humans lived in trees in the African jungle" all bunched up together, seems not much room in that jungle. Humanoid ancestors, never lived in trees, they live in groups on the savanna lands, very few trees. Then YOU got these small brained unsophisticated humans moving into your exclusively white neighbourhood, there comes the reference to concrete, out of the trees and into the condominiums. They had no TV, so what did they do, they started to breed like rabbits, no longer monkeys, now they're rabbits, Floppsy, Mopsy, and Cotton-tail. BTW Bunny is slang for rabbit, they're the same thing. I know you think your ancestors were Polar Bears, but remember under all that white fur, is black skin!

Kudos Kid, your fellow Nazi and Aussie blow in, Indyvidual claims the term "Concrete Jungle Bunny" is not racist, I say it is. His use of it, directed at me with my Aboriginal ancestry, makes him a racist, and you are to, with all your Woke Marxist nonsense.

Perhaps Paul1405's last reply is indicative of a small brain when he can't do a quick search on humans living in trees. Anyway in support of whatever culture Paul1405 derives from, I hope the following supports his cultures development, an olive branch between cultures if you will, but sadly I suspect that Paul1405 and his ethnicity isn't sufficiently advanced to recognise it.

http://pressbooks.calstate.edu/explorationsbioanth2/chapter/9/

early hominins initially lived in trees, but increasingly started living on the ground, so we were a product of an arboreal last common ancestor (LCA) or, our LCA was a terrestrial quadrupedal knuckle-walking species, more similar to extant chimpanzees.

http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2024/02/13/how-did-human-ancestors-go-from-walking-on-all-fours-to-standing-on-two-legs-ancient-eardrum-fossils-illuminate-the-likely-evolutionary-path/

Second, the last common ancestor of apes and humans was similar in its locomotor repertoire to Lufengpithecus, using a combination of climbing and clambering, forelimb suspension, arboreal ...

Kudos Kid,

Is your name "Lucy" are you also a knuckle dragger? The majority of extremist like yourself tend to be so. Do YOU consider the use of the disparaging term, "concrete jungle bunny" a racist insult, or not?

BTW, a couple of important elements within a given culture, are ancestral land occupation, with unique language and traditions. YOU I assume are claiming to be of the "White Australia" culture, but it would appear to have none of the necessary elements to claim to be a unique culture. So what are you?

"concrete jungle bunny" a racist insult, or not?
Paul1405,
Last time I saw rabbits they were just about every colour but the one thing they had in common was that they all didn't move far away from their warren.
They all seemed happy & their breeding habits proved that. I didn't get the impression that racism played any part with them.
You keep looking for racism that doesn't exist outside your silly mind. Also, one can't be racist to one's own kind in case your racist mentality blinds you you from knowing that.
Give it a break ! Look for something else to latch onto such as silly people & you could get a running start by starting with yourself !
btw. I got to know a few choice descriptions for those who went to communities to help & let me tell we could have had every reason to be offended if we would have been as fixated on opportunistic hatred like you.

Ideological concepts can get themselves into paradoxes to such a point that the reason for the original concept is lost.

Removing the ethnic component from institutions is the start of genocide. Cultures construct institutions for cultural stability, many of them were originally formed by the grass roots, not the government, but over time they have become absorbed into the government perhaps, and subverted by the state.

Multiculturalism needs the concept of racism to survive, if you reject the flawed concept of multiculturalism in favour of a superior concept of sovereignty, enlightened self interest, the concept of good fences making good neighbours, then the concept of genocide and preservation of all cultures obviates the need for the concept of racism.

The importance of anti-genocide trumps the importance of individualistic anti-racism. Anti-racism seems to provide cover for implicit genocidal policies. ie. anti-racism is implicit genocide.

I suspect that Aboriginals struggle with the idea of whether they are part of the White majority of Australian's or not- a sort of hate-love relationship. They seem to want to preserve their identity, which would require their own institutions manned by their own people, but this seems incapable of being sustained within their own diaspora, probably because they can't even agree amongst themselves. Perhaps the hooha is just the last death rattle of a sad dead culture. This is unfortunate if true. Aboriginals in desperation appear to have sought allies from Woke/ Marxist ideologues who really don't have their preservation interests at heart. Role based ethics concepts might assist preventing sliding into oblivion, some cultural baggage may need to be jettisoned for the cultures survival. Aboriginal cultural baggage seemingly prevents cultural preservation. Seemingly, white hate stops Aboriginals moving forward.

I believe that Indyvidual cares about Aboriginal communities and wants 'their best selves', but can't abide the ignobel behavior. Of course I expect Paul1405 to reject this. To Paul1405 I say "do what you want, to dig your own grave as a culture, it's your choice". Once people say something they feel that they have to defend their words.

Bunnies are cute but stupid.