Trumpster,

Harry Truman was a hick from Missouri, Roosevelt thought that much of him, that he didn't bother to have a meeting with the mug for the first 6 months Truman was Vice-President. Roosevelt didn't bother to tell Truman about the 'Manhattan Project' or the atomic bomb. When told after Roosevelts death that there was an A-bomb, Truman asked; "If the A-bomb don't work, is there a B-bomb?" AS for what consultation Truman engaged in before gaiving the go ahead, he most likely asked a few hogs from Missouri, their opinion!

Now you admit, no 2 million, no number at all for Truman to base his decision on as John has clearly pointed out. So what was the decision to murder 150,000 innocent people based on? Besides the opinion of some hogs from Missouri!

Trumpster,

The second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki 80 years ago today, August 9th, murdering another 80,000 innocent people. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not bombed prior, as the Americans want to know how much death and destruction their terrible bombs would cause. The Nagasaki bomb was simply used to determine if it was a more effective type than the one dropped on Hiroshima. "Little Boy", dropped on Hiroshima, used uranium-235 and a gun-type assembly mechanism. "Fat Man", dropped on Nagasaki, used plutonium-239 and an implosion-type mechanism.

I was just thinking, mhaze…

If your “well over 2 million” was always meant as a modern amalgamation, you could have said so in one sentence and this whole tangent would be over.

Instead, you’ve spent multiple posts leaning on 1945 casualty estimates - Purple Hearts, Kyushu losses, Stimson’s remarks - as if they support that specific number. That only makes sense if you originally wanted readers to believe the 2 million was grounded in contemporaneous planning.

If that’s not what you meant, the simplest line would’ve been:
“Yeah, I didn’t mean to suggest the 2 million was part of what they calculated in 1945.”

Done. No fuss.

The fact that you won’t do that - and keep tying it back to 1945 data - makes it look like you’re protecting the implication because it gave your argument more moral weight. If the figure is a modern amalgamation, then my point about it not being part of the decision-making at the time stands.

You can acknowledge this, or you can keep pretending this is about me “making it up.”

Your call…

If people are shocked about the losses during WW2 they'd better prepare themselves for the next round ! The figures will reach billions and, that's only assuming that only the stupid are targeted !

People today think/know that the Black Death Plague that afflicted Europe in the 14th century was spread by infected fleas.

But nobody mentioned the fleas at the time, therefore they weren't the cause. Well that's what you'd think if you fell for JD's idiocy.

As usually happens when these types of anniversaries come around, some new interesting perspectives and information is bought forth.

This article about what we know about the Dresden bombing is a good summary of what was revealed after the Berlin Wall was indeed torn down as per Reagan's hopes, and the old East German archives were opened.
http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2023/11/28/revisiting-dresden-frederick-taylors-eye-opening-account-and-its-contemporary-implications/