Its probably worthwhile noting that 9 May represents the 80th anniversary of the surrender of the German forces to the various allies and therefore the end of the European portion of the Second World War.
(Traditionally the celebration is held on 8 May but the signing of the surrender actually happened late at night that day and therefore occurred on 9 May here and elsewhere which is why Russia commemorates it on 9 May).

The war would of course continue for several months on the Pacific front even though the final result was no longer in doubt.

The war in Europe had been the most destructive in human history with the greatest number of deaths ever seen in total numbers. Other conflicts had probably seen a greater percentage of the population killed but never in the numbers seen between 1939-45.

At the time it was hoped that the end of the war would see the end of conflict for good, but even as the war concluded, more astute statemen such as Churchill foresaw that a new, and in many ways more dangerous enemy, the USSR, was emerging and would need to be confronted.

Even though the war is considered to have been a distinct episode, it is also possible to view it as a mere continuance of the First World War and as an overall European civil war trying to come to terms with the unification of Germany (and to a lesser extent Italy) in 1870.

Most of those who fought the war are now gone but their efforts and the ramifications of the war remain with us. Its worth remembering it as appropriate.

May 8th 1945 did not see the end of the Great Imperialist War, which had its beginnings in the 19th century, and possibly even earlier with Colonialism. "At the time it was hoped that the end of the war would see the end of conflict for good". WWII like most modern wars involving Capitalism should not be seen in isolation, viewed as some kind of abnormal occurrence, but rather wars, like WWII a particularly bloody episode in the Imperialists War , War is the normal state of affairs, a continuum of the struggle by Capitalisms for its domination of the planets resources and wealth. Post May 8th 1945, the Great Imperialist War continued in such places as Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc, it continues to this day in Ukraine, the Middle East etc.

So it was a capitalist war? Yet three of the five biggest protagonists weren't capitalist at all - Japan, Germany, USSR.

Funny how ideology blinds one to the facts, eh Paul?

mhaze,

You can't see the continuum that is the Great Imperialist War, although you did say; "Even though the war is considered to have been a distinct episode, it is also possible to view it as a mere continuance of the First World War and as an overall European civil war". Its difficult to give a precise date for the beginning of The Great Imperialist War, as earlier conflicts were mostly territorial in nature, with the control of territory essential for the acquisition of wealth. The factors that are at play that precipitates a period of increased hostility are complex, the earlier Napoleonic Wars were a mix of factors, but essentially the France under Neapolitan believed they were not getting a fair share of wealth and power that was unjustly going to Britain and Russia. WWI was another escalation of the Great Imperialist War, with an extremely unsatisfactory outcome for the world (The Treaty of Versailles) Which produced Hitler, Mussolini, and earlier Stalin. The next major conflict in The Great Imperialist War is referred to as WWII.

Great Imperialist War? Your inner Trotsky is showing through.

If you want to look at the long game then the critical point here is the unification of Germany in 1870. Europe had enjoyed over half a century of peace and prosperity (so much for imperialism!!) but that was overthrown when a new behemoth was plunked in the middle of Europe, anti-capitalist, anti-British, and proto-fascist. WW1 was the result of trying to come to terms with the new power structures in central Europe and when it failed to resolve all issues, WW2 was inevitable.

Again, the primary participants in the war were Fascist/Socialist (Germany), Nationalist (Japan) and Communist (Russia). None of those were capitalist. The only capitalists powers to voluntarily enter the war were Britain and France. The other capitalist nation that eventually joined (the US) was attacked and forced to fight by the non-capitalist powers.

So calling it a war of capitalism is just historically ignorant. Of the powers that fought, ALL who had imperialist ambitions were anti-capitalist.

But back to reality and setting aside Paul's Trotskyite fantasies, the war was a disaster for mankind. Millions dead in Germany, Russia, China and S-E Asia, entire nations wiped out and peoples too. Things like the Mogul invasions probably killed a greater percentage of humanity at the time than died in WW2, but the results were nonetheless devastating for human advancement. Were it not for the fact that the US survived essentially untouched and decided to drag the world economy back from the brink, a new dark age was always possible. Indeed for much of Europe, which found itself under the control of the USSR after the war, a 40 year Dark Age did apply.

mhaze,

"the primary participants in the war were Fascist/Socialist (Germany), Nationalist (Japan) and Communist (Russia). None of those were capitalist." What, you don't consider Britain and its analytes, such as Canada, Australia etc, France and United States as "primary participants" and Capitalist's. Russia had avoided involvement, although the totalitarian dictator Stalin couldn't resist easy territorial gains through war with Poland, using the secret Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as the excuse for invasion. All went well for Stalin, until Germany invaded the Soviet Union two years later.

The danger today is there will be another catastrophic escalation in The Great Imperialist War. As its economy teeters on failure, Capitalists America will attack Communist China.

" What, you don't consider Britain and its analytes, such as Canada, Australia etc, France and United States as "primary participants" and Capitalist's. "

Which part of this sentence went over your head...."The only capitalists powers to voluntarily enter the war were Britain and France. The other capitalist nation that eventually joined (the US) was attacked and forced to fight by the non-capitalist powers."

mhaze,

Another conflict in the continuing Great Imperialist War is between India and Pakistan it could possibly explode at any moment. The dead hand of British imperialisms is the root cause of this conflict. War is the perfect tool for the Capitalist to redirect wealth from the majority to the minority. Why is Communism so hated by Capitalist, because the Communist's seek to remove the Capitalist completely from the economic equation.

BTW; There is no Communist state on the planet, there never has been. I believe Communism is an unworkable theory, and to extreme to be of any real practical use. Progressive Democratic Socialism is far better, and of far more benefit to society as a whole. Extremist regimes only gain power when there is a catastrophic failure of the existing state, politically, economically and socially. Russia 1917, Italy 1922, Germany 1933.

I don't see any difference between commies and Nazis. They were great mates until Hitler launched Barbarossa. I think of their fighting as being more a war of orthodoxy than of faith.

The biggest political nonsense of our times is the idea that the authoritarian models are different and that people with conservative views are somehow aligned with Nazis.

The 8th or 9th of May to me is a celebration of the end of authoritarian rule in Germany, Japan and Italy. Nothing has changed in Russia.

Hi Fester,

I support the Horseshoe political theory, whereby the political ideals of the extreme left and right are closer in principle to each other than they are to the more moderate centre. Hitler and Stalin had more in common, than they had with centre moderates. In the case of Hitler's coming to power, it was facilitated not by the excesses of Communist, but by German Conservative politicians.

The real Imperialists are the Woke & other Lefties who demand the working class support them for absolutely nothing in return !

Hi Indy,

Good to see you are back in town after the election, I thought you must have jumped off a cliff or some such thing. The election was a wipeout of all those politicians on the far right who think just like you. The usually noisy right wingers who post here, have been strangely quite of late, I wonder why.