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Voting and reasons

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John,

I repeat the facts and you repeat your lies.

That France built its electricity supply six times faster than Germany built wind and solar is a fact.

If wind and solar are faster as you claim, then where is the example of a country building a wind and solar grid in less than ten years?

As Spain demonstrates, there are serious stability issues with large wind and solar inputs that are not fully understood and far from resolved.
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 6:25:33 AM
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"YOU were a swooning Trumpster, who backed Fat Clive all the way with his Trumpet Of Disaster "

And yet you can't find a single sentence or phrase to support that load of rubbish. Why? Because I never uttered a single word in support of Palmer or T.o.P. Not a single word. And yet you keep trying to convince yourself otherwise without a scintilla of evidence. Just apologise and move on you fool.

The fact is Palmer thought that by attaching his star to Trump he'd get the support of those who support MAGA. It was foolish and failed. But even more foolish, even more moronic is people like you who fell for it.

There are any number of posts where I predicted a Labor win over the last three years. That it went over your head is hardly surprising - most things do. And I already explained why I put Labor second which I assume was also too complex for you.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 7:13:57 AM
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There is a good argument for wind generation on a yacht, but where is the justification for destroying the environment to save it, as currently with wind powered turbines?
Wind generation should be outlawed on this point!

I’d actually come out of cold and vote for a politician who was serious on this issue.
A Politician with a plan to demolish existing wind mill generators, with a view to sell them back to China as scrap.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 8:18:13 AM
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Trumpster,

All water under the bridge now, I understand you crave acceptance, and your insecurity wants to see you on the winning side. You are obviously a sycophantic Trumpster. Now hear this folks;

mhaze who for months was denigrating Albanese and the Labor government. He wants everyone to know that suddenly on election day he had a miraculous change of heart, and feeling sorry for some mysterious "Independent" he voted for her, only for the reason he felt sorry, and wanted her to get a few bucks in electoral funding. WHAT A GOOD REASON TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE. Then not to be on the losing side he preferenced LABOR at number 2, above Fat Clive and The Lovely Pauline, amazing! Yeah sure you did, only if you say so.

BTW; Roy Morgan predicted a 55/45 split to LABOR, with Albo way ahead as preferred PM over the Dud. They got it completely right.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 8:29:42 AM
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Bezza,

Yes, I agree that maintenance across wide areas presents different challenges compared to centralised generation.

But it’s also worth remembering that renewables are modular. Replacing a single turbine or solar array doesn’t take the whole system offline, and those upgrades can be staggered. We already manage powerlines, telecom towers, and pipelines across vast distances. So, it’s not as if the logistics are unprecedented.

As for Spain, early reports did suggest brief separation events, but even Reuters later clarified that the entire system was not offline for 24 hours. Some areas saw extended impact, but this wasn’t a nationwide blackout in the way it was first portrayed. And critically, the issue wasn’t “wind and solar failure,” but a lack of grid resilience planning during a period of transition.

Regarding inertia, yes, rotating mass provides “natural” inertia, but we now have tools that can provide synthetic or fast frequency response, including:

- Grid-scale batteries
- Synchronous condensers
- Flywheels

Even smart inverters, which can be programmed to mimic the inertial characteristics of spinning turbines

Yes, we’d need a significant number of them, but they’re already being installed. It's not a solved problem, but it's not an unsolved one either - it's engineering in progress, just like every grid challenge has been for the past century.
Posted by John Daysh, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 8:32:36 AM
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Fester,

You're not even trying anymore. If you want to make this a battle of wills, then fine. It will be interesting to see how long you ignore my corrections and simply repeat the same assertions.

You’ve repeated the France vs Germany line five times now. It’s been corrected every time - including your misleading claim about “six times faster.” France’s nuclear rollout was a decades-long, state-led effort in a very different era. Germany’s renewables have been built under a decentralised, liberalised model with far more policy constraints and geopolitical entanglements. You’ve been shown the data. Repeating the headline doesn’t erase that context.

And now you’ve shifted the goalpost - from “France did it faster” to “show me a full wind and solar grid built in under ten years.” That’s not how comparison works. Wind and solar are faster to build, and that’s why they’re being built now, at scale, across dozens of countries. No one said it happens overnight.

As for Spain, again - the issue was grid planning and market structure, not the physics of renewables. Engineers do understand these challenges. Solutions are being developed and deployed. You’ve been shown examples.

If you want to keep cycling through the same talking points, that's your call. But don’t mistake repetition for credibility. It doesn’t work here.
Posted by John Daysh, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 8:34:52 AM
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