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Immigration: Low and Slow

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The uniparty never goes to the polls with an immigration or population policy. Only One Nation wants to talk about something that the majority of Australians are worried about.

Google ‘one nation policy on immigration’, and it is all spelt out.

Google the same for the uniparty, and you'll find nothing definite.

If you don't want to look, One Nation proposes:-

. Deportation of 75,000 illegals - visa overstayers, illegal workers, all unlawful non-residents
. Cut immigration to 130,000
. End skilled visa sorting
. End student visa loopholes - back-door to work and permanent residence
. Stop the Administrative Review Tribunal
. Reintroduce Temporary Protection Visas
. Deport visa holding criminals
. 8 year waiting period for citizenship and welfare
. No entry to people from countries with values incompatible with our own
. Withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention.

Not part of the above policy, but a slogan that attracted my attention a few days ago: immigration should be ‘low and slow’.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 7:09:14 AM
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Can't argue with that.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 11:03:27 AM
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The One Nation party is no different to the uniparty:
They are all the same, they all believe in playing God, that some humans (i.e. themselves) seemingly have some divine privilege to decide who may and who may not be "allowed" to live in one of God's continents.

Yes, "Low and Slow" would be nice and comfy, certainly nicer than the uniparty's policies - so what? my comfort must not override other people's freedom!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 11:09:34 AM
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I have met quite a few people who live here but don't want to take on Australian Citizenship. I think they should be given an ultimatum of ten years or pack up & go. Having said that these people will need to be given the chance to earn enough to do so.
I also know quite a few pensioners mainly men of course who opt to live out their life on the pension in a couple of Asian countries where the Australian pension appears to offer them a very good lifestyle. In my opinion it'd be wiser if they could live here & spend the money in our economy instead of dragging literally millions away from here. Again, to offer blue collar pensioners incentive is not a Government priority. I really would like to understand how some of the bureaudroids think ! There seems to be so much money floating around but it doesn't get utilised to make it stay in Australia. There's more money spend away from Australia by Australians than here where it would help the most. Bringing in more immigrants who don't spent their money here is nothing short of witless !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 5:37:51 PM
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There are 713,000 foreign students - and people pretending to be students - in Australia.

1 person in 37, compared with 1 in 333 in the US.

These ‘money-making-for-universities imports actually sent $13 billion - earned in Australia- back to where they came from in 2023-24. They are here to work, many of them never going near a place of learning. They are here to work.

Not that they would learn a lot at our universities, which are not all that good. They produced better results before foreign students were a thing
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 6:15:25 PM
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Can't argue with that either.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 9:48:11 PM
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There was an article in the Australian yesterday about the imminent
collapse of the Australian building industry.
There have been reports of thousands of small subbies going broke so I
presume it is moving up the industry.
Look at that then think about the 100,000s of migrants a year !
Posted by Bezza, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 10:06:06 PM
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Dear Indyvidual,

«I have met quite a few people who live here but don't want to take on Australian Citizenship.»

Is it they really don't want, or that they are too honest to make a false oath, claiming to believe in and uphold some mediocre values which no intelligent person can agree with?

«I think they should be given an ultimatum of ten years or pack up & go.»

So you prefer just the spineless frauds to stay, those willing to lie under oath just so they can stay together with their Australian families, just so their Australian-born children are not sent to orphanages (well, you know what happens to them there... and what useful citizens they would become as a result).

The honest ones are probably also those who not only support themselves but are also creative, innovative and bring business into Australia, employing Australians and paying their pensions through their taxes. The ones to sheepishly obey your ultimatum are indeed also those dull and unprincipled people who are happy to grab benefits and pensions from the Australian tax-payer.

«I also know quite a few pensioners mainly men of course who opt to live out their life on the pension in a couple of Asian countries where the Australian pension appears to offer them a very good lifestyle.»

With very few exceptions, one must be an Australian resident in order to receive any Australian pension.

The people you speak of, must be living on their superannuation, which is their own money. By living in much cheaper countries, including far cheaper aged-care, they also save the Australian tax-payer from having to pay their age-pension, not to speak of Australian nursing-home beds.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 11:10:41 PM
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Australian universities’ reliance on foreign students has always been a ‘ponzi scheme’.

In connivance with the federal uniparty, they established a structure to attract huge volumes of full-fee-paying overseas students by arranging for the world's most generous visas, working rights and opportunities for permanent residence.

Plus, lowering of academic standards to cater for students who can barely speak English. Australian students are expected to help the foreigners in group studies arrangements.

Australian universities are the biggest bludgers on foreign students in the world.

Foreign student enrolments reached a record last year - in keeping with Albanese massive increase in all immigration!
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 February 2025 7:59:56 AM
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Generally I'm fine with the uniparty description of Australian politics being that the difference between the two majors is minor and that's why they end up arguing about optics, personality etc.

But with immigration, even though they each up with roughly the same policy, they come to the same conclusion for different reasons.

The ALP sees new immigrants as new voters and thus wants more of them. Its an indication of how far the ALP has moved away from being a party of the workers because in the past worker's parties opposed immigration seeing them as competition that depressed wages.

The Libs, on behalf of business, see them as consumers. A bigger population means a bigger consumer base.

So they both want more immigrants but for very different reasons. Either way, its the current resident workers who get screwed over - not that either party cares.

The same thing applied to the US...until Trump came along.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 20 February 2025 10:52:46 AM
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Dear Mhaze,

Very interesting analysis, so here is an idea, Trump-style, that could satisfy both parties without burdening the housing market or hurting ordinary Australians in any other way:

Auction Australian voting rights overseas!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 20 February 2025 12:24:08 PM
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“... come the federal election, (voters) are tasked with walking into a discount store and holding up two t-shirts, one at $2.99 and one at $2.98, and trying to decide which one is better quality when they know in their hearts they are made in the same factory and the price discrepancy is probably a typo". (Flat White, Spectator Australia)
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 February 2025 4:46:52 PM
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too honest to make a false oath,
Yuyutsu,
That is far fetched in the extreme ! Whilst on the subject, I have never believed there to be any merit in dual Citizenship ! I was told by the then husband of a refuse-to-become-Australian women from an Asian Country that she sends literally tens of thousands of Australian Dollars to her country of birth.
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 21 February 2025 9:08:03 AM
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Indyvidual

Many immigrants, citizens or not, send money to help the family at home. I think there is a limit to the amounts that can be sent out of the country, and at least we don't have the rest of the family here. I suppose, like anyone else, they can dispose of their money how they please, and tax is the only thing due to the government.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 21 February 2025 11:32:43 AM
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Dear Indyvidual,

«too honest to make a false oath,
Yuyutsu,
That is far fetched in the extreme !»

Well tell me, why else would one refuse getting an extra citizenship with all the benefits that come with it?

«I have never believed there to be any merit in dual Citizenship !»

Right - I have dual citizenship and I don't believe in the merit of even one!

Dual citizenship just helps one to travel and see their family overseas without hassles, but that is only to mitigate the unfair requirement to have a citizenship to begin with.

Anyway, there are many other things I cannot see merit in, for example, as a vegetarian I see no merit in others eating meat, but then it is not my place to allow others to live their life as they see fit only if I can see a merit in what they do.

«I was told by the then husband of a refuse-to-become-Australian women from an Asian Country that she sends literally tens of thousands of Australian Dollars to her country of birth.»

His money or hers?
Pre-tax or after tax?
Did she send it to "her country of birth" as such, or to her relatives who just happened to live there?

Anyway, the last thing I need is to take sides in the family-dispute of a divorced couple...

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Dear Ttbn,

"There is no limit to the amount of money that you can travel with, receive and send overseas. You also don't need to declare money that you transfer overseas or receive from overseas through a bank or a remittance service provider (money transfer business)."

- http://www.austrac.gov.au/individuals/moving-money-across-international-borders
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 21 February 2025 12:03:42 PM
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Indyvidual

The money might be going to elderly parents. To get a visa for parents, immigrants must take on the responsibility of all costs the parents might incur, including health etc.

As I was told recently by a woman whose mother is still living in India because the family could not afford to support her in Australia, whereas they could afford to help her in India where the Australian dollar goes much further.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 21 February 2025 12:23:45 PM
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The money might be going to elderly parents
ttbn,
Yes, it might !
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 22 February 2025 7:09:51 PM
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If Dutton really wants to win, (not a great job trying to repair what Albanese has done) he should be standing up for free speech (he isn't), promising to end mass migration (he hasn't ‘promised’ to do nearly enough), protecting biological sex rights in law, ending the enormous waste of Net Zero (he says he will not), and reasserting Australian sovereignty by exiting the WHO.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2025 9:19:11 AM
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Immigration without benefit to the Nation is plain stupid !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 23 February 2025 11:29:32 AM
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Dear Indyvidual,

«Immigration without benefit to the Nation is plain stupid !»

Perhaps so, but it is not your place to stop it.
Just imagine how you would feel if others restrained you every time you tried to do something stupid...

You are at liberty not to grant "non-beneficial" immigrants citizenship, protections, health-care or welfare, that is perfectly fine.
Yet you are not at liberty to physically stop them or kick them out: this land is God's, not yours!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 23 February 2025 11:42:43 AM
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this land is God's, not yours!
Yuyutsu,
People everywhere throughout history have objected & killed to prevent others from setting foot on the land they have occupied since whenever they established themselves there. Much land was occupied by people who happen to be the first to make a clearing where they could live. In many other places people living in a place were either driven out or offered to integrate to exist as part of a community.
People have always found that symbiosis offers a much better existence than parasitism. Some simply can't get themselves to do that & that's when the problems start festering !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 23 February 2025 2:01:00 PM
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Dear Indyvidual,

Yes, history is full of people who behaved like animals.

Lions often kill the cubs of their new lioness whose territory they took over.

I believe that man ought to do better than to blindly surrender to their selfish genes.

Symbiosis? Why not, but it needs to be voluntary.
Parasitism? Unless you are a saint, it is acceptable to kill parasites that attack you, but not to forcibly try to convert them.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 23 February 2025 3:30:19 PM
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Donald Trump has had some influence on the wokies if not the thick-headed politicians.

The Australian Stock Exchange has abandoned a proposal that would have forced listed companies to report on the diversity of its boards: including sexual preferences and other personal matters.

What idiot suggested such a thing for an organisation like the ASX in the first place!

The same idiot/s who already have exchange members reporting on the number of males and females on their boards, I suppose.

If it hadn't been for Trump, these highly objectionable requirements would have got through. But, four of the leading groups involved with the ASX found the courage to tell them NO. The ASX dropped the idea without a fight.

I wonder if there is enough time before the election for some of this common sense to filter down to the thickos in Canberra.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2025 3:55:16 PM
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Burke is frantically throwing citizenship parties to get more people to vote for him. What a sordid creature he is, cheapening Australian citizenship for his own benefit. More than half the people in his electorate were born overseas; and he is packing the sh.ts because he is not good enough to hold the seat through hard work and honesty. 25% of them are Muslims, and less than half of them are in the workforce.

Multiculturalism, Islam and anti-Semitism will do Labor in this time, if there is any justice left.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 24 February 2025 7:30:14 AM
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A desperate Albanese has again gone berserk with our money, blowing truckloads on Medicare. His partner in the uniparty has said “me too”. In fact, Dutton wants to beat Albanese's $8.5 billion with an even $9 billion.

90% of visits to the doctor will be paid for by the taxpayers.

Both members of the small target uniparty are trying to bribe voters, instead of reducing spending, reducing the public sector, and doing something useful. They are just chasing each other in circles like two dogs having fun in the backyard.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 24 February 2025 8:20:44 AM
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Having the excellent health services that Australia
has is a big reason that attracts people to this
country. And why those in this country keep voting
for parties that don't make cuts to these services.

That's the reality. Also we have an aging population.
Health services are vital.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 February 2025 8:45:39 AM
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Dear Foxy,

«Having the excellent health services that Australia has is a big reason that attracts people to this country»

Well if the government's new plan for bulk-billing goes ahead then I may no longer be allowed to see my GP!

You see, according to this plan doctors will receive extra if they bulk-bill ALL their patients,
but because I don't use Medicare and pay cash instead,
accepting me as patient could spoil my doctor's status so he might refuse to see me.

And even if he agreed to see me, then since Medicare will be paying him $84 per visit,
then I will be required to pay him at the least the same (currently I pay $65 per visit).

Great country, isn't it...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 24 February 2025 11:25:16 AM
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Yuyutsu,

My husband was rushed to a public hospital last night.
He had to have emergency surgery for a
problematic hernia. He's going to be in hospital for
a week.

After that we're both going to go into "respite" and rehab care
under assessment - "My Aged Care" for which the government pays.

No complaints from us.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 February 2025 12:56:27 PM
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I forgot to add that we've always had private health
cover - and paid our wy, including for ambulance
membership. We've also in the past have handed our
private health cover to public hospitals to help as
much as we can. And we've never been disappointed in
the services we received. We believe that if we can -
we should support the excellent health services and
their staff - in this country.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 February 2025 1:34:48 PM
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Dear Foxy,

I won't argue about the quality of Australian health services in themselves, which fortunately I don't know much about, yet what use are excellent health services if they are only available to those who are willing to use Medicare?
Should the government's plan become law, it seems that I will be barred from seeing my excellent GP.

Yes, I also had a private health insurance - until I discovered that I can only pay my premiums but could never enjoy its benefits if, God forbid, I needed to.

Why is that?
Because even though the health insurance was supposed to be "private", government/Medicare partly participates in all medical claims whether I like it or not. After exchanging some letters with the legal department of my private-health provider and my local MP, I found that there is no way I could avoid and forfeit this co-payment, which the "private-health" insurers are legally obliged to provide.

I therefore abandoned my PHI and instead took up an international/overseas health insurance which is not bound by Australian law (and is quite more expensive, though this is compensated for by my very high excess, way higher than what is allowed in Australia).

Now besides praising the Australian health system and how you and others seem to benefit from it, can you please address my concern directly and tell me whether you consider it fair to ban me from seeing my Australian GP when I am unwell?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 24 February 2025 3:55:44 PM
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Medical personnel & facilities are really good in Australia but they face the same problems many patients encounter, the administrative side !
As most Government Departments, Health too is burdened by top-heavy bureaucracy unwilling to cast off the yoke that is the Peter Principle !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 25 February 2025 2:32:40 PM
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