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Will This Happen To Peter Dutton?

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Tony Abbott, who won a landslide victory and became Prime Minister in 2013, in an article for the Canadian ‘National Post’ said that he, as PM, was hijacked by “Left-hearted Liberals”.

Members of his cabinet were “snowed” by “progressive” public servant activists”.

That's enough for some people to ask, ‘what is the point of voting when the people we vote for are bossed about by people we don't vote for’.

The small ‘l’ liberals (aka Leftists who have infiltrated the Coalition) took the line that the “experts” know best. Abbott made it clear that he believes that his government was thwarted from the very beginning by a “Leftist Canberra establishment”. And, his ministers were not “sufficiently robust to stand up to officials”.

Abbott, himself a genuine conservative and tough guy, couldn't do anything about it; can a less conservative and not-particularly-impressive Peter Dutton pull the public service into line?

Abbott mentioned that Donald Trump had a similar experience in his first term, and he is not going to allow it to happen this time.

But, Peter Dutton ain't no Donald Trump.

Nor is the Liberal Party like the US Republican party. Mr. Abbott still refers to his party as “centre-Right”. In this cruel world, you have to be right or left: the ‘centre’ is a wishy-washy mess - John Howard's ridiculous “broad church”.

Abbott goes on with what he would do if he had his time over again; but that is irrelevant to the here and now.

Of course a Dutton-led government would be better than the awful Albanese Labor failed experiment. But that's not saying much.

https://politicom.com.au/abbott-hijacked-by-weak-left-hearted-ministers/
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 17 February 2025 7:06:15 AM
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Heads of Departments must exit when their Government exits ! That'd be a small step towards some sort of democratic system of governing.
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 17 February 2025 9:16:31 AM
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As long as Dutton doesn't do a Campbell Newman or a Tony Abbott he'll be making the changes this Nation needs. He has to refrain from making the same mistakes of listening to Left orientated experts & consult people who know in the field ! Do not sack anyone, let natural attrition do its thing & only step in when utter incompetence is easily proven & then published !
Such moves need to have the public's consent !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 17 February 2025 9:33:53 AM
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Indyvidual,

Good idea. It's a pity that it is almost impossible to sack public servants. No matter who is in government, the PS, never changes, and so far we haven't had politicians with the balls to properly serve the electorate by telling the mandarins to pull their heads in or get another job. Too many politicians like those who trashed Abbott's promises. And the same sorts of politicians in his government and other Coalition governments are still infesting the Coalition.

It is a truism that the Coalition is more often in government than the other side, but never in actual power.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 17 February 2025 9:37:12 AM
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ttbn,
Dutton would be well advised to rid the Public Service of the Peter Principle because if this system is allowed to continue no Government will ever have power here ! He must DeFRaG that unaffordable superfluous outfit ! Only then can recovery begin !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 17 February 2025 10:06:26 PM
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Politicians don't take advice from the likes of us. We just pay them to be useless. Any advise they do take is likely to be from the public "service". Look what happened to Abbott.

The only thing we can do is stop voting for the uniparty. Ignore what they say about hung parliaments just because they frighten the sh.it out of them, and they lose supreme power that are used to. The more people and the more views in parliament the better in my view.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 7:26:33 AM
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On that matter for different parties and individuals in Parliament, however, a worry has reached us from that cesspool, Europe.

The rusted on parties - the rulers to date - are saying they will not deal with democratically elected parties they don't like.

The awful little Macron has “dealt out” Rassemblement National of any meaningful role in government. RN won the largest share of votes in France's legislative election.

Both the right and left use a similar strategy in the European Parliament. They used it last year against conservative parties.

Could that/would that happen here with the uniparty? I don't know, but my guess is, yes.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 9:18:31 AM
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Privatising is the most effective way of eliminating Public Servants; swift and efficient.

Follow Telstra’s history for evidence!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 9:41:09 AM
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Politicians are too frightened to make changes to the public giant, laughably called a "service". The current regime is building it up.

In 2022, 76.5% of new jobs created were in the PS.
In 2024 80.0%.
Between 2014 and 2024, the PS the size of the PS rise by 18%.

A steady march towards the Soviet/China system.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 10:24:48 AM
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Lies is what killed Abbott. He said he would do anything to become prime minister. He did he became an entrenched liar. Did not even allow his own crew to say anything. Abbott and his advisor were both on the same page. So many lies and the day after the election his attitude changed dramatically. That is what killed off Abbott not some public servant as you believe, or want to believe. The AU public was warned off from voting for Abbott but the lies were to well placed and the AU people got what they were warned about. For about six months any way. Not to mention the disaster we were left with [NBN.]
Dutton is a carbon copy of Abbott, not to be trusted.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 12:34:15 PM
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That Abbott didn’t couldn’t fulfill his promises is disappointing - for me, 18c was the most disappointing.

However, he has explained why he could not do some of the things he wanted to (because of his own team).

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to make that clear to you, doog.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 12:49:31 PM
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The same team that stabbed him the back. The same team that brought the Liberal Party down to what it us today: a true liberal party.

Looks like I'm going to have to answer the question - Will This Happen To Peter Dutton? - myself.

And that answer is 'no': because, unlike Abbott, he is as wet as the team, and they are all happy to be Labor-lite. No boats will be rocked. The uniparty will live on.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 2:11:45 PM
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they will not deal with democratically elected parties they don't like.
ttbn,
Can you name a democratic Nation ? No & that's why they ignore them & rightly so. There is no such thing as a Democracy because if there was the whole Planet would be at peace !
Just because a nation has a massive Public Service doesn't make it a Democracy. They're nothing more than Dictatorships whose hands are tied by fear !
The Coalition really has to stop trying so hard to become more popular & instead focus on delivery of a good economy & a cohesive society. As I keep saying Symbiosis over parasitism is what we need !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 8:51:37 PM
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The Old Fart Brigade crying in their beer about the demise of their dumb arse fearless Leader The Mad Monk himself! Well, you've got to give it to these Old Farts with their bread and jam political bent, the truth is Abbott was a total unelectable waste of space Prime Minister and even the dopes in the Liberal party realised that, and dumped the fool!

I note a good mate of Abbotts, Archy Pell's best pedophile mate Gerald Ridsdale died yesterday. Like with Pell, will there be a procession of ex Liberal Party PM's lining up to stick their heads in the box to give old Gerry a last hurrah? Abbott, Howard, Morrison and now Dutton's included!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 1:24:28 AM
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Paul1405,
Your fear & panic of having to justify your bureaudroid job if a conservative Government takes over is showing ! Your nastiness & vindictiveness has sick ideology written all over it. I hope it's not too late for you to wake up, Inshallah !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 6:04:26 AM
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TTBN What a heap of gruesome shite, You will never move forward unless you recognise the past. Abbott was a very weak conductor of politics. his organising of his clan of gagging and out of site gaming was unknown to politics at the time. You are a fool to try and scrub his tracks from the ledgers of history. Blame his masked crew, and what ever you can come up with, It's Abbott that desecrated Abbott and no one else. Your interpretation of Abbott and his sudden demise is a stupid interpretation of a political disgrace that can not be covered up.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 7:44:34 PM
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Doog

So you don't like Abbott. But this is not about Abbott. The question is, "Will the same thing happen to Dutton that happen to Abbott - that is will Dutton also be stabbed in the back by his own party if he tries to make the changes that should made. Abbott is one of yesterday's men. He still thinks that the solution is for people to join the Liberal Party, and change it from within. That’s true bollocks. The Liberal Party is too much like the Labor Party to make the difference that this country needs. Liberal and Labor just take it in turns to screw us.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 10:39:27 PM
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Dutton is a political goose who lacks the ability to be Prime Minister. His credentials of both business and political failures testify to that. Abbott was in the same category a political goose who was a complete failure. Take one look at the Noalition's front bench, what a collection of failures, lacking any kind of ability, this bunch of lightweights who couldn't run a bath, want to run Australia. Please save us Albo!

BTW, Albo's mob is not much chop, but the other mob are no chop at all!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 20 February 2025 4:32:50 AM
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TTBN You say i do not like Abbott. Do i need to. You were the one who defended Abbott and put the downfall of Abbott on his own clan of gagged disciples. And Dutton is a carbon copy of Abbott.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 20 February 2025 6:08:32 PM
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Dutton is definitely more wise than Abbott because al he has to do is rewind watch where Abbott failed, in the common sense & logic department. Abbott had Australia handed on a plate & he tossed it out with the dishwashing !
What makes Dutton automatically a more sensible bloke is the fact that he was not indoctrinated at Uni, he experienced real World stuff in the Police Service.
Abbott was simply educated, Dutton is smart & wise. I just hope Dutton lets natural attrition to its job rather than let incompetent bureaucrats hire more incompetent bureaucrats.
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 21 February 2025 4:46:40 PM
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"Dutton is definitely more wise than Abbott"... Agree, "A slug is definitely more wise than a cockroach."

Dutton was a copper in Queensland for 10 years. Went in as Constable Clod, and with one automatic promotion went out as Sn Constable Clod. Had some kind of accident in the squad car, was paid a large lump sum in a compo settlement.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 21 February 2025 8:36:54 PM
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So that is Duttons problem. No wonder he comes up with stupid ideas. Englands latest nuke site 50 thousand million and still climbing, 3035 is the latest completion date. 2015 start and 2035 finish written in pencil. The science is not settled, and never will be.
Posted by doog, Saturday, 22 February 2025 3:04:19 PM
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Before he was a copper he worked in a butcher shop getting paid cash in hand.
It's a shame that when he became a copper he didn't arrest himself.

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Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 23 February 2025 7:09:35 AM
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 23 February 2025 7:16:24 AM
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Dutton's decision to cling to Net Zero is a tragedy for Australia. While the US and other countries escaping socialism are aware of the fraud, Australians will be stuck with the ever-increasing price of electricity, the ensuing loss of growth and the few industries we have left.

Economist Alan Moran describes as “econocide” the subsidising of unreliable wind and solar energy.

A return to coal is the best bet. Nuclear would not provide the low costs that previously offered us competitive advantages. Nuclear is OK for countries without our vast coal reserves, and do not engage in aluminium and similar smelting. That's not Australia.

This really bad decision by Dutton most likely comes from the party wets: the same types who foiled Abbott and eventually got rid of him. These same types probably don't care if they win the election. They aren't very bright, and they get very good money for doing not much, and with no responsibility in the safety of opposition.

It is unfortunate that our system does not allow the people to elect their leaders directly. Leaders who could actually insist that their parties accept what the people want, not what hacks and factions in the parties want.

Net Zero, the climate change scam, is about money; and investors are pulling out.

Governments will be the last to pull out of subsidising the scam, because of ideology. Dutton is showing us that the Liberal Party's ideology on this matter is exactly the same as the Labor Party's and the Greens - just with nuclear instead of unreliables.

The uniparty’s Net Zero scam will inevitably wreck the economy, as the permanent public sector and the MSM fails to report the very worrying extent of Australia's deindustrialisation. It's only the markets that are now exposing the fraudulent promises of Net Zero.

Australia's future is hostage to the cost of electricity. Causing prices to rise, then giving us back our own money to cover up the crisis is utter madness.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2025 10:50:07 AM
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While Australian Prime Ministers, the creatures of their party power brokers, are constrained by the sludge of the Canberra swamp – Trump has the necessary independence to enforce the democratic will of the people on the unwilling political class
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2025 10:55:34 AM
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Paul1405,
Would you be able to justify yourself ?

Consistent with President @realDonaldTrump's instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last
week.
Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.
2:46 PM • Feb 22, 2025
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 23 February 2025 11:23:17 AM
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75 % renewables in the grid. Blackouts galore. Anyone that talks like that is frightened of the dark. Albos 85% renewables is going to be here
long before the predicted date. It takes labor to pull off large scale projects. Grizzle guts Abbott killed off NBN and look what we have now.
Dutton's nukes will never be accomplished. And if they ever finish one it will supply an enormous 6 % of output. Solar is targeted where supply is needed. Duttons plan will never get off the ground mainly due to no permanent water supply, + a 50 km evacuation zone around the plant.
Posted by doog, Sunday, 23 February 2025 12:24:54 PM
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Indy,

We could ask you what did you do last week to justify your taxpayer funded welfare? AND, the week before that, AND, the week before that, in fact what have you contributed in the past 30 years? NOTHING!
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 24 February 2025 4:49:51 AM
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Paul1405,
Constantly embarrassing yourself is becoming embarrassing for OLO !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 24 February 2025 11:27:23 AM
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