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Religions and cults - where's the responsibility?

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mhaze,

<<There isn't the slightest suggestion that the women was forced to join or stay in the church....>>

If someone is guided into a church or cult by an outside influence, it’s not voluntary. Without that external force, the woman and her daughter wouldn’t have joined.

The daughter was only 11 when her mother "took" her there. At that age, children follow their parents, especially mothers. Most don’t live independently until adulthood, and without other options, you aren’t going to just leave.

<<She decided to stay. She decided to.... and equally the death of the son..... may have....>>

Exactly. As someone who spent over seven years resolving a medical issue, I can’t stress enough how dangerous it is to rely on those who oppose medical care in favor of spiritual healing. It creates many uncertainties that could have been avoided here if the mother wasn't involved in a church/cult that rejects medicine.

<<BTW you say I'm victim blaming here. Apparently you think the daughter is the victim!! You should note that claiming victimhood isn't the same as being the victim. The victim is the mother....>>

The daughter lost her mother. She is sad. She may have left at 17, the circumstances would make anyone want to eventually leave when able to do so. "Love gifts" (money) and constant indoctrination will see someone eventually want to leave when they can, but it doesn't mean they don't care about a mother.

<<Again, the women decided to stay in the church of her own volition. No force. No coercion......>>

The mother was not in a position to make sound decisions and cults/churches/mosques with extreme views don’t provide a space for no force etc.

<<She had free will and used it. She's allowed to do that in a free society.>>

However, freedom isn’t there with a medical condition. I know having one. In Australia, we aren’t living in a free society dominated by controlling entities, like big pharma and chemists that dominate and overcharge. I know taking seven medications a day!
Posted by NathanJ, Sunday, 5 January 2025 2:18:20 PM
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Maybe mhaze sees "spiritual healing" as the panacea for all the ills that befalls mankind, after all he is a member (Trumpster) of the Dangerous Doctor Donald Cult. I can only assume when DDD said; "Drink disinfectant it will cure your Covid." The Trumpster rushed out to got himself a bottle of 'Pine-O-Clean', but having a child proof cap, his life was saved!

These are the type of nut jobs a cultist like mhaze would support;

"Members of a Toowoomba religious group are due to go on trial over the death of an eight-year-old with diabetes who was allegedly denied insulin for days.
Elizabeth Struhs died on 7 January 2022 after a religious group known as the Saints allegedly prayed to God to cure her type 1 diabetes, rather than giving her insulin.
Her parents, Kerrie Elizabeth Struhs and Jason Richard Struhs, are among 14 people who will stand trial at the Queensland supreme court."
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 5 January 2025 6:39:28 PM
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Paul wrote: DDD said; "Drink disinfectant it will cure your Covid."

Well you put that in quotes but he didn't say that or anything like it, You just fabricated it out of think air. But I guess if the real world doesn't match your fantasies then making sh!t up is your only option. And Paul certainly doesn't live in the real world.

Just to clarify... I wasn't supporting the church, just supporting the rights of the women to choose her own path, make her own decisions. Personal freedom... something else that poor old Paul doesn't understand, and, given his Marxist background, most certainly doesn't support.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 6 January 2025 5:43:01 AM
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Lord knows what Nathan's daily tablet tally has to do with a madwoman joining a cult instead of taking 7 tablets a day like Nathan does, and then dying. There are some truly weird people hanging around OLO.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 6 January 2025 7:41:31 AM
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There are people here who accuse the other side of
exactly what they are doing. They do so
because they think the accusations
created benefits the
advancement of their cause. We see this tactic
especially with certain political groups
that are working hard behind the scenes.

Accusations abound on this forum from certain
contributors over and over again - singing
from the same song-book and using the same old outmoded
tactics.

Will this change in the New Year?

Lets wait and see.

Hardly likely with an election just around the corner.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 6 January 2025 8:19:16 AM
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All rather cryptic, Foxy.

What I find most disconcerting is that some think that merely asserting that evidence for their views exists if only someone else will go and find it, and then pretend that that is the same as actual evidence. Its a type of thinking I've not really come across in all my years here and many other discussion groups.

But it makes life simple. No need to actual look for the data or even worse look AT the data. Simply exclaim that the data must exist somewhere to prove a point and then proceed as though the point is proven.

I hope that type of moronic thinking disappears this year since its a road to nowhere.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 6 January 2025 10:05:33 AM
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