The Environmental Defenders Office has been ordered to pay $9 million to Santos for its activism against the construction of a gas pipeline.

The EDO was acting on behalf of just 3 Tiwi Islanders and their myths.

The judge in the case said that the EDO had a “lack of regard for the truth”.

The Environmental Defenders Office ( EDO) Australia's
biggest climate-focused legal service, took Santos to
court on behalf of a group of Tiwi Island's traditional
owners to stop the construction for a 262k. pipeline.

The lawyers for the Tiwi Island group tried to block
the gas project have been ordered by the court to pay over $9
million to Santos. The judge found that Indigenous
witnesses had been coached.

This will hit the EDO hard. We're told that in its most
recent annual report the EDO had a revenue of about $13
million and was running at a loss. It had less than $9
million in cash and equivalent assets.

The EDO has a formidable track record of success for its
clients over its nearly 40 years existence. This error in
judgement will cost them dearly.

Common sense does prevail. The strong topic of social media censorship was passed in the senate by persons that deserve to be there. Against inuendo from story tellers that were firmly biased and can not see good reason for it's passing into law. When such items pass senate adversaries go dark.
We have comments, propaganda, misinformation, predictions, story telling. Isn't this forum supposed to be a comment forum.

From the reports I read the EDO had prepared and submitted faulse
documents. As that resulted in legal orders on a company surely that
requires arrest and charges of the people involved.
It appears that only the organisation is fined.

doog,

What does your comment have to do with this story? There are suggestions that the EDO may be investigated for corruption.

"Santos said in a statement that the EDO was found to be an active participant in a broader "Stop Barossa Gas" campaign, which aimed to disrupt, delay and shut down the Barossa Gas Project."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/environmental-defenders-office-ordered-to-pay-santos-legal-fees/104659990

I'm glad that the MAD bill got rejected. Authoritarian regimes hate the idea of giving the plebs a chance to talk freely with one another and refer to it as the spread of misinformation and disinformation.

Common sense does not prevail.

Transgender woman reaches settlement with NSW corrective services over her treatment in prison
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-30/trans-woman-discrimination-case-settled-nsw-corrective-services/104659432

>>"Under Australian law, a person shouldn't be subjected to sexual harassment or discrimination because of their gender, including when they are dealing with the criminal legal system," Mr Hunyor said.

"There is also a formal policy requiring corrections staff to deal with people in custody in line with their identified gender.
This includes in relation to where they are accommodated, how they are searched and the clothes they are given."

Mr Hunyor said both corrective services and police had violated their own policies.

According to a document available on the Corrective Services NSW website, "a person received into NSW custody must be managed as the gender with which they identify at the time of their incarceration".<<

* 'must be managed as the gender with which they identify at the time of their incarceration'
- So I'm thinking to myself, 'How many accepted genders are there now, and how many new prisons or units dedicated to individual genders do we need?'
Lets ask google - how many genders are there
http://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+genders+are+there
Result - 'There is no fixed number of genders, as gender identities fall on a spectrum with infinite possibilities. Gender is about how a person identifies themselves, not their anatomy.'

So I'm thinking we may have to spend a few billion or so fixing this travesty.
[Rolls eyes]

As for common sense, is it wrong for me to assume prison officers noted the mans penis during his intake and processing?
- In the old days, if you had a penis this was a good indicator of ones gender.

Glad to see those environmental protestors hit where it hurts, but it will be their supporters who will front the money, or they will go bankrupt and change their name to 'Department for Environmental Defence' or something that continues to sound like it's an official branch of government.
- Lets see if the fine is actually paid...

80% of new mine approvals never get off the ground, stopped by red and green tape, and aboriginal myths. This needs to change next year after a change of government.

Australia's GDP per capita in the second quarter of 2024 remained below that of the first quarter of 2022. During that period, the US grew 5 per cent and the OECD as a whole was up over 2 per cent.

Mismanagement and woke ideology has brought “just about the worst economic outcome in the developed world”. (Economist Alan Moran)

Productivity has fallen 3% since 2022. “Job creation” has seen the non-productive public sector increase by three times more than the productive, revenue-providing private sector.

There have been constraints not just on gas production and mining, but also on farming, fishing and timber felling. Indigenous claims continue to hit gold, coal mining and gas. The judge in the EDO case said, “I have drawn conclusions about the lack of integrity in some aspects of the cultural mapping exercise, which undermined my confidence in the whole of it.’

The NSW government has just declared a temperature of 30 degrees a “heat wave”, and asked people to think about not using air conditioners and to postpone the laundry because of the precarious electricity supply situation, thanks to Bowen's ‘transition’ to unreliable, grossly subsidised by taxpayers attempts at electricity generation, that the rest of the world is backing away from.

This ‘transition’ to unreliable energy and the nonsensical banning of mining and industry at the whim of a couple of aboriginal activists is seriously undermining the Australian economy.

Speaking of activism and opposition to government;
- At what point do things go too far that an elected government has the right to do whatever necessary to restore order?
Take a look at this - Pro-EU activists using a fireworks shooting gatlin gun at police / government forces, after Georgia Dream announces it does not wish to be a part of the EU anymore.

http://x.com/SprinterFamily/status/1862974097405174179
Protesters in Tbilisi use fireworks against security forces.

I actually wondered if it was fake footage, but there are other videos showing this incident.

Tbilisi: Protesters shoot firecrackers at police.
http://x.com/SenoreAmore/status/1862863752015565021

'In general, the template from the color revolution manual - to provoke the police into a harsh response, so that the video can be shown on the news later'.

And this is the democratic values we claim to support?
EU threatening and bulling other nations into submission?
If I was running the show this would be enough for martial law, curfew and rubber bullets for everyone, which is an escalation the EU probably wants.

Were getting close to a point where WW3 is becoming not just unavoidable, but in some ways a necessity.
If enabling a genocide wasn't enough, I think the West has probably gone too far this time.

If you were the government in Georgia, how would you react to this?

Speaking of saviors of the environment...
Anyone heard about Bovaer?
Apparently its a drug used to reduce methane emissions, but contains 3 NOP which apparently is known to have caused cancer in rat trials.
People are now boycotting supermarkets in UK and Europe, because they don't trust the safety of food products where Bovaer has been used.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14143559/arla-foods-cows-bovaer-additive-tesco-aldi-morrisons.html

Given I passed on the Covid vaccines, I'd like to also opt out of this crap until it's been proven safe as well.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-12/dutch-feed-additive-bovear-cattle-methane-emissions-australia/102905724

So much for the seaweed...

Coles boosts sustainability in beef production with expanded use of supplement
http://www.colesgroup.com.au/media-releases/?page=coles-boosts-sustainability-in-beef-production-with-expanded-use-of-supplement
Three beef suppliers now using Bovaer that is proven to reduce cattle emissions by at least 50%

"If you were the government in Georgia, how would you react to this?"

Perhaps if the government held transparently free and fair elections, the people wouldn't feel like they'd been duped and robbed of the future they want.

The ill-Liberal Party's alternative to Albanese, Peter Dutton, is in favour of using facial recognition in conjunction with the social media ban on under 16s.

Wet Senator Dave Sharmsa fobbed off the question, ‘when did the Liberal Party become a fan of Big Brother’ by gabbling (with an embarrassed look on his face) about information they already had. The atrocity “does not have to be perfect”; “the law doesn't require it to be perfect”, he stuttered, Adam's Apple bobbing furiously.

In South Australia, the Premier is in favour of cracking down on kids after his wife ‘read a book’ on the subject, and told him he should do something about it. I kid you not.

No serious, aware person, capable of common sense thinking, could possibly say that either of our two Left-wing, increasingly totalitarian, parties deserve our support. They both want to rule with fear because they fear the people and the family unit as all dictators do.

'Robbed of the future they want.'
EU and NATO - Fending off allowing themselves to become the next Ukraine?

Allowing the West to use that nation as a second front in the war against Russia?

Go look up RAND corporation 'Extending Russia'.

AC shows he has a very low opinion of Georgians who he thinks allow themselves to be manipulated by organisations he hates.

The thought that these Georgians have some understanding of what they want and are acting on that rather than being manipulated, doesn't seem to occur to AC.

Georgians do know what they want, they chose Georgia Dream party.
It's the EU and the U.S. that want to dictate and manipulate.
Threats, Blackmail, Regime Change and Military intervention.
The only reason the West is spakking out like a 5 year old about a foreign agent law is because they wish to subvert the country with the use of foreign agents and their NGO's you fool.

The EU offers money, bribes the influential, uses NGO's, and is willing to try and start coloured revolutions when it doesn't get it's way.
You are still like a 5 year old mhaze who doesn't seem to understand how the world works, or else you do and support it, which kind of makes you part of the problem.

Look at them throwing conniptions about Romania, and trying to blame Tik-Tok.
Blame anything but never accept the people themselves have made their own choice.

Joe Biden has pardoned his son Hunter for any and all crimes he may have committed over the last 10 years - after he promised, on social media, that he would not pardon him. Now there's a fine example of misinformation.

The Left has criticised the Republicans for criticising poor old Joe for being a corrupt liar and letting his boy off the hook after he said he would not - far more egregious than Hunter's crimes, and his Daddy's lying.

Hi mhaze,
I find it kind of amusing when you willfully seek out piles of crap to step in, time and time again.

Tbilisi protest crackdown: PM Says No Ukrainian Maidan Scenario in Georgia
http://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/tbilisi-protest-crackdown-georgian-pm-says-1732973954.html

Hi ttbn,
Yes Hunter Biden, interesting the pardon goes back 10 years to their dealing in Ukraine, which was what all the stuff in Trumps first term was about.

I hear that after being pardoned however, if he is called to testify against others he can't plead the 5th amendment, he must tell the truth or he risks being charged again, apparently...

I'm wondering if Biden will pardon himself on his last day in office.
I bet there will be a lot more pardons coming yet.

"when you willfully seek out piles of crap to step in, time and time again."

Yeah like that time I said Israel had been frightened away from Iran AND at the same time said Israel had bombed Iran. Yep really got that wrong </sarc>

Or that time I said Russian minister Lavrov wouldn't possibly lie about the Russian language being banned in Ukraine AND then had it conclusively proven that he indeed lied. Yep another cock-up </sarc>

" PM Says No Ukrainian Maidan Scenario in Georgia"

Oh well, if the Russophile PM said it, it must be true. Who ever heard of a politician lying?

They may not have been firecrackers, they were very fierce and it looked
like marine flares to me.

Hi mhaze,
"Yeah like that time I said Israel had been frightened away from Iran AND at the same time said Israel had bombed Iran. Yep really got that wrong </sarc>

Or that time I said Russian minister Lavrov wouldn't possibly lie about the Russian language being banned in Ukraine AND then had it conclusively proven that he indeed lied. Yep another cock-up </sarc>"

You were right about the first one, kind of.
- And I accepted your argument after I looked at some maps.
But Israel did call off second and third waves, because their F-35's were lit up by some 'unknown' air defense system.
- That's the story I got, and I'm willing to accept it.

And I still contend you were wrong about the second.

Plenty of times I said you were right about things associated with Trump when others disagreed.
It's not like I disagree with you for the sake of it.

AC

Yes I'm sure what I wrote was injurious to your self-esteem. But when you write something like... "I find it kind of amusing when you willfully seek out piles of crap to step in, time and time again" ... I will always reply with both barrels, especially when you make the assertion without the slightest efforts to provide examples of this alleged stepping in crap.

And especially when I know that you can't provide examples but merely go the ad hom to try to bolster an already weak argument.

Common sense & academic experts in the same sentence is fairytale stuff !

Hi mhaze,
Yes ok, but you hold the opinion that everything America does is all above board, fine and dandy, America never lies and on the other hand anything Americas adversaries do is their own fault, that they are always wrong, and liars 100% of the time.
What am I supposed to do with that other than expect your rebuttal.
But it's ok I suppose, I know I'm my own person and everyone here is too and we all hold different views on all the topics.

Meanwhile...

Hi ttbn,
'An enormous favour': What Hunter Biden's pardon could mean for Trump's second term
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/presidential-pardon-joe-biden/bcooa9eqd

Joe Biden: "No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter's cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son," Biden said in a statement."

- Then there's this:

http://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1863457869984629037

In spite of a 630-page report on the Hunter Biden Laptop From Hell documenting 191 sex crimes, 128 drug crimes, and 140 business crimes.
Hunter Biden has been PARDONED by Joe Biden.
America is the most corrupt place in the world.

The Georgian president has called on the EU to help the protestors as they fight back against the Russian attempts to overthrow the will of the people. http://tiny.cc/d5wyzz

But what would she know? In the fertile imagination of AC that simple proves that she is a dupe of some fictitious US operation, that she's incapable of thinking for herself and is merely a pawn in the hands of those nefarious Amercians... or something.

The thing is this could have all been avoided if the Russians and Russophile Georgians had simply allowed a free and fair electoral process. But to the Russians, allowing the people to decide their own fate is a bridge too far because they might make the wrong decisions - ie decisions the Kremlin disapproves of.

So they overthrow the will of the people and then rely on useful idiots in the West (of which AC is an exemplar) to muddy the waters. Its been the same play book since the times of the Comintern.

Thats just what they say when they don't get heir way mhaze.
I just saw an article then from Amnesty International portraying them as peaceful, but also admitting they were throwing molotov cocktails.

Tell me mhaze, what appropriate punishment would you support for the Palestinian protesters in Melbourne during that military conference if they were throwing molotov cocktails and firing gatlin fireworks gun at police?

And be fecking honest about it.

Don't dare say these lunatics are justified in their actions
But other protesters are not.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/georgia-protesters-face-arrests-abuse-and-denial-of-fair-trial-rights/

"The clashes left many injured, with footage capturing the brutal beatings of peaceful demonstrators and journalists."

Peaceful my ar$e, how many journalists in Gaza have been assassinated now, but that's perfectly fine because Israel has a right to defend itself, rite.

And the Georgia Dream party, legitimately voted in by citizens who don't wish to become cannon fodder in a second front war on Russia well they are all just Russian stooges.

It's all bs, a tired movie script we've seen over and over again by a West determined to impose it's will and people are either too dumb or willfully ignorant to see it.

And what, I'm the conspiracy theorist tin-foil hat wearing nutcracker for pointing it out.

What a load of bullcrap.
Get real.

http://reliefweb.int/report/georgia/georgia-law-enforcement-officers-must-be-held-accountable-unlawful-use-force-against-protesters

"The use of force against peaceful protesters was completely disproportionate", stated Ucha Nanuashvili, FIDH Vice-President and founder of the Human Rights Center. "The violence against media representatives and interference in their journalistic activities were particularly alarming. In accordance with the unofficial data, on November 29 and 30, at least 30 journalists became victims of physical violence. Besides that, their equipment was purposefully damaged".

- Again 'peaceful' protestors. [Rolls eyes]

No Georgia Maidan.

If 500k dead and wounded [highly conservative numbers] Ukrainians because of the exact same situation isn't enough to ring alarm bells I don't know what is.

I've been telling you all for a decade.
I don't support sanctions or overthrows.
Am I in the wrong simply for having principles?

Oh and FYI, the number of assassinated journalists in Gaza is just under 200, by memory.

Quite the segue there AC.

Even if what you say about the protestor's activities is true, that doesn't alter the rationality of the reasons for those activities. Throwing missiles in order to protest a manipulated vote might be wrong. But that doesn't change the fact that the vote was manipulated or that the will of the people was subverted by the people you constantly try to defend.

Well sorry for pushing the issue mhaze, but you had me in a bind.

"Even if what you say about the protestor's activities is true, that doesn't alter the rationality of the reasons for those activities."
- I think that we need to accept that there are 2 sides of the argument here.

I could say yes, let's boot out the Georgia Dream party by recreating the Ukrainian Maidan, then when we have a new pro western government in power we can take billions in IMF loans, change the law on selling property (like in Ukraine) and let western bankers rob the country and start conscripting the Georgian people to open a second front war against Russia, then when we have half a million dead and wounded and another carbon copy of Ukraine, with idiots like Lindsay Graham saying 'We will fight to the last Georgian, because it's good for US jobs, I can say you 'Are you happy now mhaze? Is this what you were hoping for, is this what you had in mind?

"Throwing missiles in order to protest a manipulated vote might be wrong."
- Yes it is, so no Georgia Maidan.
"But that doesn't change the fact that the vote was manipulated or that the will of the people was subverted by the people you constantly try to defend."
- No it's not a fact the vote was manipulated. What is a fact is that you are listening to rhetoric coming from the EU / NATO who have an interest in pulling Georgia into their realm.

There's nothing wrong with having foreign agent laws.
We have foreign agent laws as does most nations.
The problem is that 90% of the money funding NGO's who are trying to create civil unrest is from foreigners, there's no telling if many of these protest organisers are on a foreign payroll.

[Cont.]
What if 90% of the money funding NGO's in Australia came from China?
And what if pro-Chinese Australians were causing the same civil unrest simply because when theses NGO's go about their activities they want Australian citizens to think their efforts are grassroots and not funded by a foreign power.

Beyond that, I don't know why any nation would want to be part of the EU, who are essentially authoritarian against their own member states, what side of the spectrum do you stand on, do you support Hungary and Orbans resistance to the EU's ways, or do you think the EU should be able to without Hungary's money in order to force them to comply with foreign dictates?

You always try to argue a different point of view, but that's ok it's good to have differing opinions, but it can be difficult when logic seems to have left the room.

My whole approach is that I don't support sanctions or overthrows, is that not what we are seeing here, an attempt by foreign interests to cause civil unrest and overthrow the country in line with 2013/14 Euro Maidan in Ukraine?

Why should you criticise me for having a principled approach.
Do you support sanctions and cutting diplomatic ties with Israel, for their genocide and crimes against humanity, or is this another one of those situations where you say it's good for the goose, but not for the gander?

If the Georgian government were to cart every single one of these Georgian protesters away and hold them in indefinite administrative detention without charge like Israel does to Palestinians would you support that or again, good for the goose but not the gander?

Do you have principles 'what you do for one you do for the other', or do you just arbitrarily apply things however it suits your own biases?

Maybe I should start a thread, it's been a while.

What exactly are 'Western values'?
What exactly are Judeo-Christian values?

- Can all these claimed 'values' exist without conflicting upon each other?
And if not, then what does it all mean?

Again AC you just assert that all this is being caused and coordinated by outside forces. No evidence - just assertion. Even as senior Georgians (see my earlier links) say otherwise.

You treat the Georgian people as though they are complete fools who are being manipulated by people you don't like. You've fallen hook line and sinker for the Maiden fabrications from the people you reflexively believe and no think they are being repeated here.

Why can't you accept that a large portion (maybe a majority but we'll never know because the vote was dirty) of the Georgian population genuinely believe that their legitimate rights and views were stolen in an unacceptable manner and that they want that rectified? Why do you just dismiss them as dupes of some fantasy conspiracy theory you've concocted where external NGOs treat them like pawns?

The Georgian people have rights and they believe those rights have been stolen. I'm in favour of them seeking to recover those rights even if it upset the people in the Kremlin you are so beholden to.

"Again AC you just assert that all this is being caused and coordinated by outside forces. No evidence - just assertion. Even as senior Georgians (see my earlier links) say otherwise."

Read this earlier...

http://theconversation.com/georgians-are-protesting-their-pro-russian-governments-withdrawal-from-eu-accession-talks-but-brussels-is-also-at-fault-245072

>>Earlier this year the government passed laws that openly defy EU principles. In May, Georgia adopted what is known as the “foreign agents” law. Modelled on similar legislation passed in Russia in 2022, this law requires NGOs receiving more than 20% of funding from abroad to register.

Georgia’s civil society sector is 90% funded from abroad, so this law puts virtually all NGOs working on issues related to democracy and rule of law in a vulnerable position. Critics believe the government will use this law to eliminate dissenting voices.<<

* '90% foreign funded'
Is it not therfore reasonable to say that 90% of protest organisers are on a foreign payroll.

What's the big deal about stating your civil society efforts are funded by foreign interests?
Whatever happened to 'transparency' mhaze?
Isn't that what we would expect if China and Russia were funding NGO's in Australia.

Yes, we would, and we do.
Get this...

It's actually called the Foreign Influence TRANSPARENCY Scheme. (FITS)
http://www.ag.gov.au/integrity/foreign-influence-transparency-scheme

>>The Foreign Influence Transparency scheme requires that individuals or entities register certain activities (registrable activities) that are undertaken in Australia on behalf of a foreign principal, for the purpose of political or governmental influence.<<

You want to know why the whole world's stuffed?
Because people don't pay a lot of attention to the details of things that don't directly impact them, and I'm probably as guilty as the next bloke on the majority of topics.
Easier to go watch the sport, daytime soapies, Youtube, Netflix or spend hours on Tik-Tok watching cat videos.

Peter Dutton and the whole entire coalition should register as foreign agents, not because of funding though, more from open stated foreign loyalties.
Apparently Ursula Van der Furer and the rest of those European NAZI's oppose transparency.

Maybe the Georgians should fix the problem like Israel does.
- Just assassinate all the journalists?

Move along, nothing to see here...

"Is it not therfore reasonable to say that 90% of protest organisers are on a foreign payroll."

Reasonable? No. Completely bonkers..yes.

Where to start?

1. The 90% figure is made up. The article you link doesn't provide support for that number. It just asserts that its true. And as we know, you just believe whatever you're told if it suits....and demand others do likewise.

There is no way they can know that the 90% figure is true because the NGO's in Georgia are currently refusing to abide by the new law and disclose their funding. So not even the Georgian government knows the number. But you'll believe it with all the certainty of a convert.

2. Even if the number is true (and have I mentioned that its not?) that doesn't mean that all the NGOs involved in the protests are getting funding. There are plenty of NGOs in Georgia who are pro-Kremlin (probably Kremlin stooges) who get foreign funding.

3. Finally, and most devastatingly for your fantasies, there is no, nada, zero evidence that the NGOs are controlling the protests. You've just made that up with no thought. The protestors are ordinary folk who think their future lays with the EU and see that the Kremlin is suborning their future. So they vote and when their vote is cancelled, they protest. No NGO required.

As usual, you ignore the individual and, in your conspiracy ladened world, see only nefarious forces manipulating these folk.

Its the standard fascistic thought processes that we see from you all the time whereby the individual is not just ignored, not just treated as a cog, but actively considered as expendable in the desire to advance one side.

But the Georgian aren't expendable. I don't know whether they are right that their future would be better in the EU. I don't know if a majority of Georgians think like that (because all votes are corrupted by the Kremlin). But I do know that the individual counts and deserves consideration and respect.

They shouldn't just be swept aside in the Kremlin's desire to re-establish the USSR.

Lol - you make it so complicated and confusing, the simple solution
Why not just abide by the foreign agents law then, for transparency?
[Oh no he's baffling us with something that would make sense if we we're talking about us, not them! Quick change the topic]

"As usual, you ignore the individual and, in your conspiracy ladened world, see only nefarious forces manipulating these folk.
Its the standard fascistic thought processes that we see from you all the time whereby the individual is not just ignored, not just treated as a cog, but actively considered as expendable in the desire to advance one side."

You're always one step behind, sherlock.
We're all pawns in someone else's game.

The Ukrainians, 'fight to the last man'
The U.S. is now pushing them to 'fight to the last boy' right?
They're pawns.

The Palestinians, the Georgians, the Syrians, all of us mhaze - pawns.
Do you remember Covid?
You think they had our best interests, or the interests of the ruling elite?
Gotta take your pfizer shot, someone has to profit
It's time for your 10th booster mhaze.
Can't stop those Qantas flights coming, Blackrock might lose out on their investment.
You think they care if there's conflict and division because of immigrants?
They want that - It helps them justify all sorts of other surveillance
- for our own good of course

We're all pawns

"But I do know that the individual counts and deserves consideration and respect."
- From what I've seen from you it sometimes seems that only 'some' individuals count, but others don't.

"They shouldn't just be swept aside in the Kremlin's desire to re-establish the USSR."
- They don't want to recreate the USSR mhaze.
That's as blatent a lie as the one Hillary spun about good ol Uncle Donald getting urinated on by Russian prostitutes on his visit to Moscow.
He doesn't want NATO on his doorstep, it's no different to the idea of the Monroe Doctrine which prevents Russia and China having military bases in Mexico.
And you know what else?
You and I don't actually want NATO in Ukraine or Georgia either, unless you want to increase the likeliness that one of them makes a mistake, and the planet goes up.

Back in 2014 after the Maidan in Ukraine mhaze, they changed the foreign ownership laws, which allowed foreign bankers people like Blackrock to buy up large parts of the country, in order that Ukraine was able to qualify for IMF loans, money to make war - higher ups decided losing Crimea to Russia was a no-go.

Now Ukraine is a bankrupted failed state owned by foreigners.
500k dead and another million critically wounded.
Ukrainian women and kids are good for human and sex trafficking.
The Ukrainians are dying for the bankers, it's not even their country anymore, and well 'U.S. interests want them to send in the teenagers now, you think they really care about the Ukrainian people?
Is this how one treats ones friends?

You think they care about the Georgians, or anyone else?
Hundreds of billions in weapons that all of us through our government have to pay for, and for what?

We're all pawns.