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Is Australia a melting pot, a salad bowl, or a mosaic?
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Posted by mhaze, Friday, 15 March 2024 6:45:37 AM
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Foxy wrote: "Multiculturalism today is very much a reality of our society."
Yes it is. But not because its inherently part of the culture or inherently accepted by the populace. As I said above, multiculturalism is a government policy and as a government policy it can be changed at any time. Currently that policy is about indoctrinating the populace and, especially the kids, into the notion that all cultures are equally valuable, equally strong, equally resilient. There is no evidence that any of that is true - and when its clearly false such as with female genital mutilation, the facts have to be suppressed - but, the lack of evidence is papered over and the people are offered slogans instead. Diversity is Strength is just something that is said so often that it remains unquestioned. But questionable it is, or ought to be. Multiculturalism exists on the carcass of the previous successful culture. Its yet to be seen if it can continue to do so. It has more chances of surviving in Australia than almost anywhere else on the planet simply because we have managed to keep the numbers of people in alien cultures to manageable levels. Not so Europe or, increasingly, the US. But with the governments' bias toward higher immigration, Australia's advantage may not last. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 15 March 2024 6:57:41 AM
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The Roman acceptance of different people into the fold certainly benefited the new entrants, but it shortened the life of the Empire. Intrusion on Roman culture was one of the reasons for its downfall. A similar thing is now happening (via multiculturalism) in Australia and the West in general.
I note that Foxy has reached the hissy fit stage (her response to Yuyutsu) as she always does when the threads she uses to lecture us all don't go the way she intended. Multiculturalism is being used by the Albanese regime to divide and rule. The Albanese regime represents the biggest threat from a government that Australia has ever experienced. Australia, like any other country, is just a lump of various elements we live on. It's the people that matter; and the people now are divided tribes with no common loyalties or interests. Just the way Albanese wants it. Posted by ttbn, Friday, 15 March 2024 7:36:48 AM
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Yuyutsu,
I can only be responsible for what I post. Not for what you understand and interpret. I did not give options as you claim and to which you objected. I stated historical facts of our country's history and how it has evolved from what it was in the past - to what it is today. You're entitled to your objections about multiculturalism and how you view it - but you're not entitled to put your versions of what I posted onto me. _____________________________________________________________________ ttbn, I'm not the one throwing "hissy fits." And We can do without your usual finger-pointing and personal attacks on me. They're getting boring and predictable. Surely you can do better. And have more substantive arguments to add to this discussion. Try reasons instead of volume. ______________________________________________________________________ Now back to the topic: According to the Human Rights Commission Australia's experience of multiculturalism has been different from those of other parts of the world. It's true that multiculturalism is a troubled state in many liberal democracies. But, this is not the case in Australia. Ours is a success story not a failure. However it is a success story that the Commission says demands our vigilance. Public policies should aim to bring people together into a national community rather than prevent them from doing so. We've been fortunate thus far that our governments have succeeded with their policies and programs and these have made Australia attractive for so many people. Watching some of the Citizenship ceremonies in Canberra on Australia Day - one can see the joy and emotions that people express in becoming part of the community. "I am, You are, We are - Australian." Posted by Foxy, Friday, 15 March 2024 8:53:43 AM
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Just as we look back with scorn and horror at the things that people believed said, wrote and thought back in the past, so will people look back at the garbage going on now:
. Multiculturalism and the belief that all cultures are equal . A harmless element (CO2) causes climate change . The destruction of cheap reliable power in favour of expensive, unreliable power . Racial obsession . Identity politics . A democratic country in thrall to a Communist dictatorship, just for money . Allowing that Communist dictatorship to get away with spying a cyber-theft . Having a government less than a third of the people wanted . And everything else we are getting wrong. Is Australia a melting pot, a salad bowl, a mosaic? No. It's a lunatic asylum run by the lunatics, with other lunatics making excuses for the situation, brainwashed into think everything will be OK. Posted by ttbn, Friday, 15 March 2024 9:29:35 AM
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" Australia's celebration of nationhood and
national identity has progressed over the 200 years. Over the years Multiculturalism flourished in Australia and people from across the world made Australia home." "Australians feel proud to be Australian and proud of the values that characterise Australia today." I remember having worked and lived in the US for close to ten years - when I finally decided to come home - I saw a copy of the "Australian Women's Weekly," magazine at the air-port - the nostalgia and emotion I felt was intense. " Brisbane-based Reena Augustine who is also Multicultural Ambassador shared her thoughts with SBS Hindi. She says being an Australian means being part of a society that preserves individual cultures and backgrounds, at the same time it instigates equality and responsibility amongst all." "She added, "It means being all around the world in one corner. It means showing my culture next to many different other ones (mosaic), with full respect and passion for multiculturalism. It means that if you love something and you believe it, you can make it happen." She believes that Australian society offers opportunities to everyone. For her Australia is the land of opportunities and multiculturalism. As it is for many others. There's more at the following: http://sbs.com.au/language/hindi/en/article/what-does-being-australian-mean-to-you/516fp2hst Posted by Foxy, Friday, 15 March 2024 9:55:04 AM
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Well that's not even close to what I said, but when you've painted yourself into a corner you might as well double-down, eh?
We are talking about culture and the relative strength and attractiveness of various cultures, NOT the relative morality of international war. Rome's culture was superior to that of its neighbours as seen by those neighbour's desire to adopt that culture once they were absorbed into the Roman world. There are any number of examples of people's begging Rome to be let in. But as we've seen your knowledge on Rome seems to be rather lacking so these nuances will have gone over your head.
"Ever heard of Christianity?"
Rome as an empire existed for 2 millennia. Picking out one or two incidents from that and pretending they are the whole story is somewhat fraught. Its like asserting that a patient who got a pass on cancer wasn't healthy because of that pimple on their nose.
Besides, Christianity was imposed on Rome, not the reverse