Media outlets have announced that a decision to uninvite
the police from Sydney's Mardi Gras parade this week-end
has caused some controversy. The LGBT community explained that
it wants "space to grieve," after a NSW police officer was
charged with murdering a gay couple.

The police officer is gay and had dated one of the murdered
men.

The decision to ban police from marching has now been reversed.
The organizers have decided to allow the police to march, but
out of uniform.

Police marching in the parade has been seen in the past
as a unifying
gesture and has been part of the Mardi Gras for a long time
now.
It seems a shame to blame the police force for the actions of a
gay individual who took it upon himself to commit a crime.

One individual's behaviour does not or should not reflect on
an entire group. Be they police officers or members of the
gay community.

What are your thoughts?

Why do the Gays blame the Police when it was a Gay who killed two Gays ?

Hi Indyvidual,

I watched a large part of the Mardi Gras parade this
evening and the NSW Police Force did march in the
parade - out of uniform. I don't quite understand
why they were banned from wearing their uniforms
because it was a gay officer who committed the
murders.

Blaming the entire police force seems to be wrong.
There were so many other professionals that were included
in the Parade - from Fire Fighters, ambulance paramedics,
the Defence forces, and so on. Even teachers and librarians,
who have been not so charitable with gays. Especially
in libraries - where storytime sessions by gays were
banned.

Yet all were allowed to march. I think that banning the police
force from wearing their uniforms was a mistake. It would have
been more effective to have allowed them to march in uniform.

Everyone should be banned. The Mardi Gras should be banned. It is a disgusting display of the perversion and decadence that pathetic Australians who are not perverted or decadent have allowed themselves to be bullied into thinking that this behaviour and overt demonstrations of perversion are normal.

The murders by a queer cop, and the daily photographs of two grinning homosexuals whose lifestyle lead to their demise should turn the strongest of stomachs.

A quick comparison of what is supposedly ‘ developed, sophisticated’ Australia with a country that could be described as the opposite: Ghana.

Ghana has passed a new bill that imposes a prison sentence of up to three years for anyone convicted of identifying as LGBTQ+. Supported by both major parties, no less. Yet to be signed in by the President, and perhaps a bit harsh; discouragement could be tried first.

But, it is very telling that decency and good behaviour now resides not in the “civilised” West, but in the “third world”.

Police arrested 9 pro-Palestinian rioters at the homosexual circus.

Something that they don't find themselves able to do in other situations.

Says a lot.

The subject of this discussion is - "Police banned from
Sydney Mardi Gras." Could we stick to the topic please?

There were so many other professionals that were included
in the Parade
Foxy,
That goes a long way towards understanding as to why the wheels of society are falling off.
To ban the Police uniform also clearly expresses the tunnel-visioned & selfishness & intolerant mentality of these derailed humanoids. They cause many of the problems in society but blame those who are trying to hold society together.
By all means, be queer if that's the way you feel but keep it to yourselves, stop forcing us to forever tolerate more & more wrong.

I'm torn on this issue Foxy.

On one hand the police have a history of treating gay hate crimes with appalling indifference, obstruction and well documented violence. For this the police commissioner offered an apology. I'm not sure that was enough to heal the wounds.

The recent murder of the young couple by another gay man (who just happened to work as a policeman} was an act of domestic violence and is not, in my opinion, justification to blame the entire police force for that crime.

The only way to heal wounds between our community and the police is by engaging with each other. Banning one section of the community does nothing to achieve that.

Hi Aries54,

I totally agree.

Having the police march in uniform would have been
a unifying action.

After all the Mardi Gras did begin as initially a street party
that aimed to celebrate being queer while trying to raise
awareness around the discrimination being faced by the queer
community - and it still holds true today.

It was felt to be an important way to draw attention to issues
that impacted on the LGBTQ community.

It's amazing that the Mardi Gras has lasted for more than
40 years. Quite incredible that it's survived through HIV,
AIDS, COVID. And today it's become a major tourist
attraction - from its origins as an early protest that ended
with arrests to now where people join together
to celebrate.

So many different perspectives - from males, females,
parents, and families, all coming together - quite
meaningful for so many. Of course some
people would find all this confrontational.
and disapprove.
However, there's been a lot of progress made - but
there's undoubtedly still a lot to be done.

For example, regarding trans and gender diverse people,
people of colour, different ethnicities,
religious beliefs, and many others - who have to struggle
and deal with issues that impact on their lives.

It's not easy understanding a world you're not a part of -
but that's where education and information and listening to
what others experience - helps towards trying to understand.

I watched most of the parade. Parts of it did make me cringe
at times -( I have to be honest.
the exposing of bare bums on the street - and the
"Sisters of Mercy" costumes). But I guess
the whole point was to be controversial
and draw attention. And that they certainly
achieved.

I wonder if the Palestinians were demonstrating their support for terrorism or, as Muslims, were demonstrating their abhorrence of homosexuality and other unnatural practices such as transgerism.

I don't think that the fools marching under a 'Queers for Palestine' banner have impressed the Palestinians, fans of tossing homosexuals off roofs.

Perhaps the police who arrested them got the huff because they were banned from marching; because they certainly have taken no action when Palestine's were calling for Jews to be gassed, and shouting support for terrorism, which is definitely against Australian law that police should be upholding.

Hi Foxy,

Just a little historical correction if I may (I'm truly not trying to be pedantic, I promise.)

The original Mardi Gras was a demonstration against police harassment and discrimination in NSW law against homosexuality. It originated with a group of men walking down Oxford Street chanting "Out of the bars (and pubs) and onto the street". The subsequent horrendous and violent attack by the police (very, very well documented) lead to another march the following year to commemorate the original. Ever since, Mardi Gras has been a combination of celebration of self acceptance and to agitate for legal reform.

Some would argue (and I am one of them) that Mardi Gras has lost its sense of humor and political agitation to become subservient to the almighty corporate dollar.

Kind regards, Alan

Hi Aries54 ( Alan),

Thank you for the information. I grew up in Sydney,
but I led a very sheltered life so I didn't know
much about gay people. I watched the parade last night
with interest. It was through my travels and work that
I got to meet and know quite a few gay people. Also at
uni - one of my favourite lecturers was gay. A brilliant
and inspiring lecturer - teacher.

Apart from their obvious problems, some of the alphabet crowd have a need to "celebrate" their difference.

Although there is no shadow of doubt that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong, l don't care how they, or other people, live their private lives or who they live them with. It's all this in your face, look at me rubbish that gets my goat; as does the Prime Minister and a state
Premier poncing along with them.

Sydney is Sodom. Let's hope we never have a Gomorrah as well.

Talking about Palestinians?

"Pride in Protest", had the theme for their float
this year - "Trans Pride not Genocide."
They encouraged people to join their group and
bring Palestinian flags.

A separate march by Jewish gays also took place
where the "Stars of David," were out in full force.

The parade was balanced - with no violence.

Celebrities took part - including actor Hugh Sheridan
who was sadened that the police officers were not allowed
to wear their uniforms. He said that the officers were
also part of the community and were entitled to grieve.
The Mayor of Sydney, and the Premier also took part, as
did Labor MP Tanya Plibersek.

Police Operations made several comments in relation
to the 2024 Mardi Gras Parade in Sydney on Sunday. They
have concluded that the overall behaviour of the crowds
at the Parade was pleasing with an estimated crowd
of 120,000 spectators, and 12,500 participants attending
the event. No small feat.

Assistant Commissioner Anthony Cooke APM said it was a
good example "of a successful Mardi Gras event. The
majority of people were well behaved and enjoyed the
event safely and responsibly."

High praise indeed.

The same can't be said about some of the hooligans at our
sporting events. Football violence comes to mind.

I went to sleep last night mulling over the objections
of some on this forum who consider homosexuality as
being not "normal."

So what is "normal?" Because as we should know there
are many versions of sexual activities, many "sex toys,"
and many different sexual behaviours. I won't go into
all the behaviours - but you get the drift.

Religion has probably played a role in our judgements.
However, shouldn't we be mature enough today - not to
judge others? And expect people to behave only by what
we think is appropriate? Shouldn't we allow to just
"Live and Let Live?" As long as the behaviour is
between two consenting adults and does not hurt anyone
shouldn't we just accept the fact of the diversity of
our sexual behaviour?

"Why do the Gays blame the Police when it was a Gay who killed two Gays ?"
- Exactly

Honestly I don't even care about this issue.
I don't care about the Mardi Gras or the gay people.
I don't care what goes on in their bedrooms
But they should stop imposing their lifestyle and festivities on other people and stay away from the kids.

According to the American Psychological Association
homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In answer to
the question - "Is homosexuality a mental disorder?"

We're told:

"No. lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientation are not
disorders. Research has found no inherent association
between any of these sexual orientations and
psychopathology. Both heterosexual behaviour and
homosexual behaviour are normal accept of human
sexuality."

There's more at:

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/orientation#

Hi AC,

It's not gays who go after kids. It's pedophiles.
Don't confuse the two.

So, sainted homosexuals cannot be paedophiles? It's only heterosexuals who are paedophiles?

Two days before the deaths of these homosexual lovers, a family of three were killed,( executed) by someone who was apparently infatuated with the mother. Among the three was a young boy. All of them were of Korean origin. As was the murderer.

It was a big story right up to the point two homosexual lovers were killed by a third homosexual lover who was infatuated with one of the deceased. As soon as that story broke, the dead Asian family was forgotten.

In the scheme of sympathetic hierarchy in the press and the community, dead Asian don't rank anywhere near as high as dead homosexuals, even if one of the Asians was a young boy.

The NSW police rapidly solved both murders and caught the respective culprits (unlike the Victorian police who managed to arrest the wrong man for sexual assault) but still managed to get pilloried for the domestic violence of the homosexual lovers and somehow got blamed for the crazies in the homosexual community.

Statistics show that domestic violence in the QWERTY community is proportionally much worse than in the straight community. But this needs to be suppressed by the usual suspects. So rather than address the problems in their lifestyle, they lash out at the police, for want of another scapegoat.

Nobody as far as I know is lashing out at the police
in this discussion. As a matter of fact - the general sentiment
has been that the NSW police should have been allowed to
march in uniform.

The Taekwondo instructor who committed the murders story
was fully covered by the media ranging from - 9 News, to
The Sydney Morning Herald, The Guardian, News.com.au,
AP News, The Australian, Sky News, and even NBC, to name
just a few.

The story was also on uTube.
______________________________________________________________________

As for Homosexuality and Pedophilia?

There are so many myths about gays that have been debunked.
A search on the web can be easily found for those interested
in learning the facts.

On a lighter note - we've got to respect our parents. They
passed school without Google. (smile).

Just a Hissy fit from the LGBTQRST brigade.

Foxy, don’t ever loose any sleep over the objections of some on this forum who consider homosexuality as being not "normal."

I assure you that the blettings of these individuals is nothing new or original. We have been subjected to the same old stuff ad nauseum for years. For whatever reason, truth scares them. E.g. The myth that ‘homosexuality is not natural’. I wish they would go tell that to the 2 male whales recently filmed off Maui, or the 2 male penguins at the New York Zoo who successfully hatched a surrogate egg and raised the chick. (Google it!) Or the library of collected data about same sex activity between elephants, lions, giraffes, swans, ducks, vultures, lizards, bison, flying foxes, dolphins, gorillas, orangutangs, tortoises – the list goes on…… All of it absolutely, definitely ‘unnatural’ and sinful.

Normally I wouldn’t respond to these accusations. It becomes as Annie Proulx says “…like water over a river rock…” That is until they start claiming homosexual activity is akin to paedophilia.

Or the accusation that we are ‘forcing our way of life down their neck’. Get a grip. That is as ridiculous and absurd as claiming that sports enthusiasts are forcing stuff down everyone else’s neck by holding the AFL parade through Melbourne before the grand final, or gardening enthusiasts want to turn us all into mad keen gardeners by celebrating Floraide, or arty types shoving art down our necks at the various Fringe Festivals. Like I said, after a while … water over a river rock.

Hi Foxy,
"It's not gays who go after kids. It's pedophiles.
Don't confuse the two."

It's called 'Drag Queen Story Hour'.
(and I'm sure it doesn't end there)

I don't like them normalising their weird sexually perverted culture on children.

Let the kids have a chance to be normal.
There's no need to impose any idea other than a mother and father upon them
- As that is what it took to create them.

Stop giving them these false ideas like one can 'choose their gender'.

I don't think they are liberating these kids.
I think they are forcing perversion and false ideas upon them and confusing the hell out of their minds when they're too young.

And if, when those kids grow up, they want to CHOOSE a life of weird sexual perversion talking in the voice of the opposite sex and dressing up like they're in a musical and calling themselves names with a sexual connotations and chopping their bits off;
LET THEM DO SO!

- At their own expense.
- And when they're old enough and mature enough to decide for themselves.

Not only is the government spending everyones money messing these kids heads up in the first place;
Then they have to spend everyones money helping to manage their problems afterwards.

Stop promoting the madness.

"Nobody as far as I know is lashing out at the police
in this discussion."

I didn't say they were. I was referring to the QWERTY community lashing out at police by, for example, banning them from their little prance down Oxford St.

"The Taekwondo instructor who committed the murders story
was fully covered by the media ranging from...."

Which is why I wrote... "It was a big story right up to the point two homosexual lovers were killed by a third homosexual lover". Was that too complex? My point, which obvious was too nuanced, was that the Asian murders disappeared from the news cycle the moment the homosexual story arrived showing that homosexual domestic violence deaths are vastly more important to those that decide such things than Asian domestic violence deaths.

Hi Aries54,

Thank you for your concern and for your advice
including the information about the animal world.
Bringing up this topic may not disarm prejudice
but I think it's a good place to start.

I wrote earlier that I love insults. You always find
out amazing things about yourself you never knew.(smile).

Hi AC,

Kids look at drag queens in a totally different light.
And kids love dress-ups. It's the adults who get their
knickers in a twist. The kids just enjoy the Storytimes.
"Look at the Princess, isn't she beautiful!"

And kids can't understand the adult proetests.

"Why are the grown-ups shouting at us?" Asked a bewildered
child.

Anyway, parents don't have to bring their kids to the
Storytime sessions - certainly not in libraries.

Anyway, contrary to misconceptions, exposing children
to diverse gender identities creates a more accepting
environment - which is fundamental for the development
of well-adjusted adults.

Foxy,

I find it difficult to believe that men that rape boys are straight.

"A friend of flight attendant Luke Davies says anti-police protesters have "hijacked a national tragedy" for their own cause, following a demonstration that shut down a major intersection in Sydney on Friday night."

"Mr Bailey revealed he wrote to the Mardi Gras board asking them to reverse its initial decision to uninvite NSW Police officers from marching in Saturday's parade.

[He] said he believed the board's initial decision was a "knee-jerk reaction to a small vocal group"."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-04/mardi-gras-anti-police-protest-hijacked-tragedy-luke-davies/103542088

Of course most issues these days on the progressive side are "knee-jerk reaction to a small vocal group". We spent millions on a referendum to satisfy the screams of a small vocal group.

Homosexuality's long history does not make it ‘normal’, even though that excuse invariably pops up when people want to defend the practice. It just means that the abnormal condition is nothing new. We all know that; and I always get a laugh out of the comparison of some humans doing the same things that some animals do. That makes it OK, as well, apparently. Not only can we talk to the animals (Dr. Doolittle) we can shag like them as well.

Hi Shadow Minister,

You say that you find it hard to believe that men who
rape boys are straight?

That's not surprising. Many people have been raised to
believe that homosexuality is immoral - hence gay men
and women in Australia still continue to face a range of
formal and informal discriminations.

If I manage to survive the rest of the week, I would
like my straight jacket in hot pink and my helmet
to sparkle. (smile).

Foxy,

To resolve your logic deficit, straight men like girls, not boys. Men that rape boys cannot be straight.

Shadow Minister,

There are many versions of sexuality. It's not a matter
of one size fits all. Straight men have their various
inclinations just as much as anyone else. We can't really
tell what they are and what they're thinking or leaning
towards. Sexual abuse of children has been done by
various varieties of people. We can't just blame one
group.

You have to be seriously thick not to comprehend what shadowminister is saying. A homosexual paedophile will be interest in boys. A lesbian paedophile, one of whom is in court at the moment, will be interested in girls. A bisexual freak might be interested in both. All of them bloody awful, warped examples of humanity, beyond redemption.

We have to accept that there are a couple of seriously thick people on OLO who just like to disagree with everyone because they have a psychotic urge to be that way. Anyone who believes that they can have a normal discussion with them is always going to be disappointed.

ttbn,

You are so lucky that you can't hear what people are thinking.

Why is it that as a culture we are more comfortable
seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

"we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?"

Who is this "we" you speak of. I think you must move in some very suspect circles.

Mrs. Thicker-than-pig-manure tells me it's good that I can't hear what people are thinking.
What people?
Can anyone hear what other people are thinking?
Can Mrs. Ttpm hear what people are thinking?

Did she hear someone thinking that they preferred to see males hold guns rather than hands?

This is a very weird woman we have among us. Getting weirder by the post.

Some people get overwrought when they are the wrong side of a subject, and start saying silly things. But I've never come across a case this bad before.

It's not suspect circles or strange people who come off
as weird. It's the so called "normal" ones who lack
individuality.

As for ttbn and his obsessive behaviour towards me?

His life would be very boring without me. However in this
case all I can say to his attack is -

" Excuse me. I am not a mirror!"

Here we go again. Let's get this right. Adults (male and female) who sexually attack children (both males and females) are pedophiles.

However, according to all the confessed Christians on this blog, adult males who sexually attack male children are more heinous than adult males who sexually attack female children. It's all because they are homosexual, and would be attacking females if they were 'normal'.

Doesn't that expose their world view for all to see.

Aries54

Which “confessed Christians” here said “adult males who sexually attack male children are more heinous than adult males who sexually attack female children” ?

I don't recall anyone “confessing” (you make it sound like a crime) to be a Christian, let alone saying what you claim they said. Perhaps I'm not as attentive as I once was, but you could refer an old bloke to the posters who said what you say they did.

I also wonder why a Christian’s attitude about paedophiles would be any different from an atheist’s, a Muslim’s, a Hindus for example, or anyone else's.

Another thing I haven't seen anyone but me mention is lesbian paedophiles. Aren't we allowed to talk about lesbians? There are at least three cases of alleged lesbian paedophilia currently before the courts, and announced in the media. Two of the accused are school teachers; I'm not sure about the third. Given the modern “acceptance” of sexual deviation, all sorts of nasty characters are going to be popping up.

Hi Aries54,

There's a great deal on the web regarding the myths
that surround gay people. Here's just one small
example:

http://livescience.com/13409-myths-gay-people-debunked-sexual-orientation.html

Thank you Foxy. Yes, we hear those stereotype myths every single day of our lives. It gets really boring and disheartening that it is still happening.

At the end of the day, I have no interest in ramming anything down anyone's neck, but I do demand to be respected and treated equally as a fellow human being. My personal mantra is "May all beings everywhere be peaceful and happy". It just appears that many on this blog have lost their way.

"we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?"

I really don't think I know anyone in my circle who would be uncomfortable seeing two blokes (or two sheilas) holding hands.

As I said, perhaps you need to find a better class of acquaintances.
Or perhaps your acquaintances do.

Aries54 can't back up his claims about "confessed Christians"; now he is “demanding” respect. Why? I don't demand respect. What is so special about him?

And Foxy is still scrabbling for 'references' that mean squat to everyone but her.

As for two blokes or two females holding hands, I find it disgusting; and I'm not going to be browbeaten or bullied by a loud-mouth minority into saying I don't find it disgusting just to save someone's feelings, like too many other people have done. If you can't take being unpopular for your beliefs, you might as well throw in the towel and go down with trash when the pendulum swings back to sanity.

Hi Aries 54,

Making nasty, toxic comments is like rolling around in
manure. Yes, you'll get some attention - but from pigs.

ttbn,

How are you dealing with your Aporkalypse?

ABRACADABRA - NOPE YOU'RE STILL A PRICK.

Foxy,

You lack the skills of repudiation. You just hit back with more waffle. You are far too immature to be taken seriously. Too much ABC, and no ability to think for yourself.

ttbn,

My level of maturity depends on who I'm with.

And, I am who I am. Your approval is not needed.

Besides, I love being the wicked witch in
your fairy tale.

Dear Aries 54,

As you can see from some of the posts - some people
need a High Five in the face with a chair.

I keep forgetting - that I'm under no obligation to make
sense to these people

ttbn,

You say that I lack the skills of repudiation and that I
post waffle?

But then - how did you understand what I meant?

Anyhoo.

I now will officially resign from adulthood.
Decisions will be made using the eenie-meenie-moe
method and arguments will be settled by sticking out my
tongue or blowing a raspberry.

There are lots of things about me that make me special ttbn.

The most important one is that I am a live, breathing, thinking, feeling human being. Can't get any more special than that on this planet.

As such, I demand to be respected for these unique qualities alone. Fortunately I share those qualities with billions of others on this planet.

I also demand to be treated and given the same privileges as afforded everyone else. I will stand before you strong and steadfast in the face of your (and others) abuse, condemnation or whatever else you care to throw at me.

So sunshine, go right ahead. Scream and shout, knock yourself out, I'm a proud member of the human race in all its glory and ugliness and there ain't nothing you can do about it.

Hi Aries54,

GOOD ( ONYA)!

Aires54,

Respect is earned not given away like candy.

I will treat all politely unless I am not, respect comes later.

I'm talking about respect as a human being SM. Everything else comes latter.

Aries54

'Demand' comes over as aggressive, but if that’s you, so be it. Just be aware that nobody has to accede to your demand. I certainly would never respect anyone just because they demanded it. And I would never respect you just because of the list you have provided. If I knew you personally, I might or might not respect you. I (and others, including you) decide what we respect in others.

Faries54,

Respect is a bit much too demand. You should settle for tolerance.

Hi Aries54,

Many of us were taught to show respect to others.
To give up our seats to other people if they needed them.
To help others when they needed help, not stand on the
sidelines and watch. To hold doors open for others,
and say "Excuse me" should we need to pass. To say thank you
and please.
To knock before opening a door. To say hello when
entering into a room.
To show respect for our elders.

Most of us take people for who they are, not what we can
get from them. And, most importantly, most of us were raised to
treat people exactly how we would like to be treated. It's called
respect.

'Should' SM?? I will never settle for second best when it comes to my humanity. Do you really think I will timidly slink away and accept your 'tolerance' of me and not my right to be? That might be all you are prepared to offer me, but it diminishes your humanity.

Talking about humanity.

Revered Indigenous advocate Dr Lowitja O'Donogue's life
and achievements were honoured today with a state funeral
at St Peter's Cathedral in Adelaide. The PM delivered
the Eulogy. A remarkabloe lady and very fitting that all this
took place on the International Woman's Day.

May she Rest In Peace.

This country needs more trailblazers, people of character,
and thought provoking true stories.

Aries54

There is every reason to believe that most people don't care what you and the other alphabet people want or think. They have too much going on in their own lives to concern themselves with a small minority, no matter how noisy and irritating they are. You and your 'demands' have become very boring.

" Dr Lowitja O'Donogue's life and achievements were honoured today with a state funeral at St Peter's Cathedral in Adelaide."

I wonder if they mentioned that she lied about being a member of the stolen generation?

Oh, BTW her name was Lois.

In his article, ‘No Longer Such Arresting Officers”, Christopher Akehurst writes about the breakup of the affair between the police and the Mardi Gras exhibitionists.

(https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/society/2024/03/no-longer-such-arresting-officers/

Permission for police officers in uniform to ponce along in those ghastly parades was a serious lack of judgement by whoever sanctioned it. Bad enough to be there in mufti, but at least they wouldn't have smeared the reputation of the force.

Now the “rainbow love affair” has been “shattered”. A damn good thing.

Unfortunately, in SA, where they have legislative for a more-snouts-trough-voice-thing despite the fact that the state produced the biggest NO vote on the Albanese Voice, they have also announced the enlistment of the first transgender copper.

It's not only our politicians who are hitting rock bottom, it's also our once-respected institutions.

Here are the facts about Dr Lowitja O'Donogue.
A remarkable woman with remarkable power:

http://theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/08/aboriginal-leader-lowitja-odonogue-farwelled-with-pm-paying-tribute-to-her-remarkable-power

Not sure about the Mardi Gras hitting "rock bottom."
Police praised the behaviour of Mardi Gras attendees.
And the parade certainly showed that we have a country
in which most people respect everyone for who they are.

Police did march. As did the armed forces, fire-fighters,
MPs, and so many others from well known institutions, including
many celebrities.

With so many attendees and participants - there's no sign of
the parade hitting "rock bottom," by any stretch of the
imagination

Here's the link Foxy tried to post....

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/08/aboriginal-leader-lowitja-odonoghue-farewelled-with-pm-paying-tribute-to-her-remarkable-power

Foxy, there's this new invention called copy-paste (Ctrl-C;Ctrl-V). You should try it one day.

Anyway, the new article still doesn't mention that she lied about being a member of the stolen generation or that her real name was Lois before changing it to something that had more street-cred within the aboriginal industry.

Dr Lowitja O'Donogue was taken as a 2 year old from her
"full blood" mother and was deposited in the Colebrook
"Half-Caste" Mission. The purpose of the Mission was to
turn "savages" into Christians.

("Lowitja" by Stuart Rintoul).

Another lie. The lie was also repeated the TV news last night.

Don't you ever want to just grab someone and say -
WTF is wrong with you?

Lois O'Donoghue was handed to the mission by her father because he wasn't able to look after her or her 5 (?) siblings. It seems the mother was nowhere to be found.

Only several decades later, when Lois was reunited with her mother, did the mother claim that she really wanted to keep the kids but the father (Tom) took them and never told her where they went. Of course, this seems far-fetched given that he didn't take all the kids at once and there's no evidence the mother ever tried to find the kids.

There were many aboriginal kids, abandoned by their parents and put into homes who later claimed they were stolen. Lois was just one of many such kids although she like the rest tried to cash-in on the 'stolen' moniker. Unfortunately for her she did, on her more honest moments, admit she wasn't stolen. It seems Foxy has chosen to disbelieve her.

For your information:

http://britannica.com/biography/Lowitja-ODon0ghue

mhaze,

Thanks for taking the trouble to put that up in the face of stupid people who are never going to believe what they don't want to believe. I have a connection with Lois via my wife. I know she wasn't stolen. But their is no convincing stupid ideogues and Leftist bigots.

The facts are as follows:

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Lowitja-ODonoghue#ref1293773

Struth Foxy, Lois herself confirmed that she'd been placed in the mission by her father AND agreed that she shouldn't have said she was stolen. She started to refer to herself as 'removed' ie removed by her father, not stolen by the government. Was she lying?

"(My father) didn't want to be straddled with five kids," the former Australian of the Year said, sobbing. "I haven't forgiven him... "I don't like the word 'stolen' and it's perhaps true that I've used the word loosely at times... I would see myself as a removed child, and not necessarily stolen." Asked whether it would be better to state clearly that she wasn't a member of the stolen generation, Dr O'Donoghue said: "I am prepared to make that concession."

mhaze,

Struth indeed.

At least I can see - your mistakes mean that you're
trying.

Try reading the Britannica link I gave. And her
authorised biography that I mentioned earlier by
Stuart Rintoul. It would also help clarify things. It explains
her life and the times she lived in - especially what the
Aboriginal Protection Board did. It should help you to
understand.

Anyway. it's up to you. I'm not going to argue. I'm merely
being polite.

So according to Foxy, Lois O'Donoghue was lying when she admitted her father was the one who placed her in the mission. But of course, Lois is black and therefore Foxy can't just come out and call her a liar because....well people like Foxy can't say anything even slightly detrimental about anyone with black skin.

I guess if you just want to believe what you want to believe, then calling everyone else, even the subject person, a liar is as good as any other method. A bit like a flat-earther saying the astronauts are liars.

We have people who come into our lives as blessings,
others as lessons.

Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue was a blessing to so many people.
She was a trailblazer, a person of character, a remarkable
woman, who lived during such difficult times in our country,
when she was just 2 years old the Aboriginal Protection
Board (formed in 1940) took on the legal guardianship of
all Aboriginal children.

Yet despite all the obstacles put in her path along her
life's journey Dr O'Donoghue never gave up. She never lost
her faith. She was often identified as one of the success
stories of the government policies of that time of the
removal of Aboriginal children.

May she Rest In Peace.

The book by Stuart Ritoul - "Lowitja," Her authorised
biography explains her life and the times she lived in,
and what the Aboriginal Protection Board did.

http://theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/04/lowitja-odonoghue-formidable-advocate-for-aboriginal-australians-who-overcame-adversity-and-prejudice

Now back to the topic:

The Sydney Mardi Gras this year was a huge success.
It has become a major tourist attraction for Sydney.
But it's more than just that. As we can see from
this discussion, it continues to bring up issues
that are important for us to debate.

May this continue, and may it result in better
understanding.

Stuart Rintoul is an extreme Leftist of the kind Foxy gets all her propaganda from.

"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or group of people when he or she does not benefit and may even suffer losses." Third Basic Law of Human Stupidity.

" the Aboriginal Protection
Board (formed in 1940) took on the legal guardianship of
all Aboriginal children."

Well at least those given up to their care by their parents. Earlier in her life, before it became unfashionable to say such things, Lois admitted that being given to the mission was the best thing that could have happened to her.

But Lois was probably lying about that, eh Foxy?

Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue said:

I I was For much of my childhood
I was deeply unhappy. I feel
I had been deprived of love and the ability to love.. Like
my mother Lily I felt totally powerless..."

She was told she would never amount to anything. She was not
allowed to speak her language. That her culture was the devl.
(Evil), and worse. Before making comments people should
really do their research on topics.

"According to O'Donoghue, she was very happy living at Colebrook and said she received a sound education both there and at the Quorn Primary School. The Quorn community at large actively encouraged children from the home to participate in local events, and assisted in the maintenance of the home. Only a few people objected to the integration. In 1944 Colebrook Home moved to Eden Hills, South Australia, due to chronic water shortages, enabling her to attend Unley High School, a local public school, and obtain her Intermediate Certificate. She was taught up until the Leaving Certificate standard but did not sit for the examination."

Lois also acknowledged that everything she achieved in life was due to the education she received at Colebrook, and Unley High School and that those opportunities would never have been available had her father not given her to the mission.

But she was probably lying about that!

Stuart Rintoul has been a writer and journalist for more
than 30 years. He was with The Australian, for 2 decades and
he is its former Victorian editor. He's written for
leading magazines including, Good Weekend. He's also the
author of "Ashes of Vietnam," and "Australian Voices."

As for what Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue felt about her being
removed from her family and culture by the Aboriginal
Protection Board and her life at the Mission. Quotes have been
provided as to what she said and felt at the time. And how she
overcame the adversity and prejudice.

http://theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/04/lowitja-odonoghue-formidable-advocate-for-aboriginal-australians-who-overcame-adversity-and-prejudice

Yes. Rintoul has been practising lying for years.

Stuart Rintoul would rather be called a liar for telling
the truth than being praised with kudos for a lie.
(smile).

Now back to the topic:

http://harpersbazaar.com.au/sydney-mardi-gras/

I think the issue here is that there was a distinct change in the story Lois was telling the world around the early 1990s when there was a distinct change in the way aboriginals in general presented themselves to the world.

This was the time when ATSIC was being established with such high hopes and aboriginal leaders were vying to get on the grave-train. It was also the time when the stolen generation was being created via the "Bringing Them Home" report. All aboriginals wanted to stake their claim to being stolen so that even those obviously not stolen, like Charles Perkins, allowed themselves to be called stolen.

It was also when it became required to believe that all stolen kids were raised in the most appalling of conditions.

So Lois, who had previous spoken of how she was given up by her parents, and how good the various institutions she'd been in were to her, started instead talking of being 'stolen' - although she later altered that to 'removed' when her previous statements were bought to light - and she started to walk back her previous rosy picture about Colebrook and her time in the institutions.

Had she not done so, her status within the aboriginal industry would have been severely reduced - so who can blame her for the little white lies. (Are we allowed to call them 'white' lies?).

It is from this later version of the Lois story that the biased reporting Foxy refers to was born.

While we can excuse Lois for embellishing the truth, such leeway shouldn't be given to so-called historians who just regurgitate the stories without any effort to establish facts or even acknowledge competing facts.

But it is the nature of the aboriginal industry these days - the narrative is more important than the facts - and providing fantasies for the likes of Foxy to absorb defeats any concern about the truth.

mhaze,

In 2008 Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue gave a remarkable speech from
the pulpit of St Peter's Cathedral in Adelaide. She described
what it was like growing up in a missionary home.

If you are really interested in the truth there is so much
information available. Not only from her own mouth, but from
The Australian Museum, National and State Libraries. Many
historians have documented the history of the "Stolen
Generations."

The "Bringing Them Home " report deals with the national
Inquiry into the removal of First Nations children from
their families. It deal with the strength and struggles
and acknowledges the hardships they endured and the
sacrifices they made.

In Australia between 1910 - 1970s It was government policy
forcibly remove from their families many Australian
Aboriginal children because of assimilation policies.

This is on historical record. It is fact. And Dr Lowitja
O'Donoghue was one of those children.

"In 2008 Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue gave a remarkable speech..."

Yes, that's what I said. After the mid 1990s she was telling a very different story to the one she told prior to the 1990s. But I guess you'll never acknowledge that.

"In Australia between 1910 - 1970s It was government policy
forcibly remove from their families many Australian
Aboriginal children because of assimilation policies.

This is on historical record. It is fact. "

Its actually rubbish. Thousand claim to have been taken due to government policy of stealing kids. Not a single verified case has ever been documented. Lois herself confirmed she wasn't stolen. But I guess you've never acknowledge that. There have been several attempts to prove the case for the stolen generation claims. All have failed. But I guess you'll never acknowledge that. Check out the Gunner-Cabrillo trial. I've educated you on it a few years back. But I guess you'll never acknowledge that.

Oh, and since I've been down this road with low information commenters like you before...a word on the "Bringing Them Home" report. Those who put the report together confirmed that they couldn't and didn't even try to verify the claims of those who claimed to be stolen because it would have been disrespectful to question them about it. So no evidence - just unsupported claims.'

This has become ridiculous.

O'Donoghue says she wasn't stolen but removed at the request of her father.
Foxy says she doesn't want that to be true and therefore it isn't.

O'Donoghue says her early life on the mission was good and the education she received set her up for a better life.
Foxy says she doesn't want that to be true and therefore it isn't.

If you want to just create a fantasy world around what you want to be true and then claim its reality, knock yourself out. But I'd prefer to remain in the realms of the real world.

To my way of thinking, O'Donoghue was a sad character. She knew the truth of her early life and spoke of it fondly. But once it became impossible within the aboriginal industry to consider being removed (not stolen) as a good outcome, Lois was forced to adopt a new story-line. But, being inherently honest, she always seemed embarrassed at being forced to fudge the truth which is why she tried to skirt the issue by creating terms like 'removed' and 'separated'.

But her 'supporters' who want to use her name for political purposes have no such qualms and openly call her stolen when she herself had denied that.

Rather a sad end to an exemplary life.

I'm done with this.

Foxy clearly has no interest in the truth but only in the politics. There are several threads in the past where things like the "Bringing them Home" report and O'Donoghue herself have been canvassed. If foxy wants to educate herself on these issues she can go back and reread those threads. But the truth of these issues doesn't concern the likes of Foxy - just the politics.

mhaze

You took your time realising that it is a waste of time arguing with stupid people. No matter how wise and truthful your opinions and arguments are, stupid people just keep on and on until you give up.

If you had read my testing of the of the extent of the woman's stupidity, you could have saved yourself a lot of time.

I started this discussion with Sydney's Mardi Gras
and ended up paying tribute to Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue
a remarkable trailblazer who died recently
at the age of 91 and who worked tirelessly
for human rights and a unified Australia, I gave links
and references and historical facts. For me this
discussion has now run its course. I have no control
over what people think or choose to believe. All I can
do is present the available facts and evidence. Which I
have been professionally trained to do.

My wish is for all of this country's people
to find understanding
tolerance and empathy for others in their hearts,
instead of trying to tear others down.
Denial of history needs to stop for reconciliation
to take place. It is long overdue.

“Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, the non-stupid constantly forget that all times and places and under any circumstances to deal with and/or associate with stupid people infallibly turns out to be a costly mistake.” (Carlo Cipolla, ‘The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity’)

The Second Basic Law of human stupidity is:-

"The probability that a person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person".

Human stupidity runs right through people from labourers to university professors and leaders of business and society.

Foxy,

I have yet to see anything that Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue achieved.

Shadow Minister,

I can't be held responsible for what you see or how you
interpret or understand things.

Anyway, the Lady has died. Received a State Funeral at
which our PM delivered the Eulogy. And many of us do
know what her achievements were.

What you know or don't know is really irrelevant at this
time.