Nathan

Where did you get the idea that we can't go over 30 million people? Who has said that?

I freely admit that I would prefer a 1960s Australia. And I am against immigration. But you have to prove that Australia couldn't carry 30 million people - not many more than we have now - or admit that you are talking bullsh-t.

I don't like immigration because it is changing the identity of the country I was born in 80 years ago. But, that doesn't mean Australia could not support 30 million people, when it is now quite clearly going to have to, thanks to our appalling politicians.

We have had more than half a million people come here in the last 12 months! And, many countries not as big or as well resourced as we are have more than 30 million people.

So, I am in agreement with you. I don't want more people here; but making inaccurate claims about how many people Australia can carry will not convince the Big Australia mob. You can't get away with talking BS that they can easily disprove. They will tell you that, with improved infrastructure and other measures, many more people could be catered for. There is no guarantee that they would actually provide what is needed, but they don't have to.

If you want to be convincing, don't make things up, think with your head, forget emotions and feelings, and as I said before, vote for different people.

And, Yuyutsu, you are not talking sense either. We can stop people coming here, without guns. We are a sovereign country, and cannot be made to take people we don’t want. We just need to get what we want through to the politicians by replacing them with new ones.

Dear Ttbn,

Replacing all politicians is a blessing in itself, but is hardly relevant to this topic.

Now if you claim the ability to stop people coming here without using guns, then indeed you are a genius or a warlock. Are you willing to share that secret with us too, suppose a ship or a plane comes in to Australia full of people who just disembark and refuse to stop?

Yuyutsu

Were you not here when Abbott 'stopped the boats'? Even Labor eventually got the message on stopping illegals. Our border control is the envy of the UK and Europe. And we have the advantage of being an island.

As for legal immigration, that can be stopped at any time by the right politicians. The current government was reported last week as knocking back requests for student visas.

I don't know where you get the idea that we can't decide who comes here if we so choose to do so. John Howard and Tony Abbott did it. With the right politicians, it will happen again.

No guns needed at the moment, but all countries have the ability and right to defend themselves in any way they think fit. There is no world government, despite the lunatics in the UN, who would like the role.

Dear Ttbn,

From years of interaction with Nathan, I believe that he opposes violence, thus I explained to him that stopping unwanted people from coming requires violence.

It is not my place to give unsolicited advice to others.

I was here when Abbott and Howard before him stopped the boats.
Whatever they did, I did not like and it was never approved by me or done on my behalf,
but these two never sought my advice, whereas Nathan did.

«I don't know where you get the idea that we can't decide who comes here if we so choose to do so»

While only God decides who will come and who will not, nothing prevents man from deciding to TRY bringing about a certain outcome.

So of course, you may decide to try to stop the boats even if that means that you must use violence in doing so. The use of violence will only make you worse off in the long run, but I will not be the one to try robbing you of your free will.

«all countries have the ability and right to defend themselves in any way they think fit.»

And much more.

But if one attacks others in the name of self-defence, falsely because these others never sought to harm them and only went about their own life benignly, then there are consequences, unpleasant ones, yet again, it is not for me to try taking your free choice away.

«There is no world government, despite the lunatics in the UN, who would like the role.»

Indeed thank God there isn't any such human government and I hope there never will be, yet God has governed the world before it was even created and will continue to govern it for eternity. Nathan, I believe, wishes to be on good terms with God, but if you do not share that wish, then go ahead and do what you like - it is not with me that you will have issues then.

Our border is just like the US southern border, only we let them fly in.
I swear this is not about the economy or growth.
I think it has a nefarious basis, they WANT to wreck all our countries.
Either that or the policies were written by foreigners, not Aussies.