There is also the question- the communists say that if you disagree with social security then you shouldn't receive social security but you still need to provide for social security through taxation. But this just makes the "communist class" stronger and the "productive class" weaker. The "Productive Class" believes that 1. the social security system shouldn't exist for everybody NOT 2. if the social security system exists then those of the productive class shouldn't avail themselves. It's a subtle point.

The fall back position for the "productive class" appears to be to consider taxation as a form of compulsory insurance. Productivists aren't against insurance- they are against making it compulsory- because it locks in resources and is mismanaged.

Traditionalists might believe OTOH that land shouldn't be traded it should stay within the family under a primogeniture system and shouldn't be able to be seized in the case of debt. Most Traditionalists would believe in "productive principles" within a stable traditionalist framework.

Rand believes that value is the same as life- if someone gets life for free- someone else has to give up some of their life. Rand and other "productivists" seem to believe that being productive isn't actually difficult- even someone in a wheelchair can make porridge for someone that doesn't have time to cook it. But societies "red tape" often prevents people from converting their house/ apartment into a breakfast bar. "Red tape" seems to be a source of despotism in society- yet communism is all about a "red tape" managed economy. You could argue that in some cases despotism exists because free trade isn't more wide spread

Communism sees the world through the lense of Dialectic Materialism as I understand comes down to Money vs Class Consciousness. Other ideological systems see money as one element of importance in the social system. Perhaps money is over emphasized within Marxist communism because it comes from Capitalism in a sense. European "Traditionalism" OTOH is perhaps a system that existed before Capitalism mainly in Europe due to more sparsely populated tribal regions.

Communism isn't just about how money is distributed within society- it advocates a world wide nihilistic totalitarian genocidal system where there are no individuated cultures- multiculturalism is part of communism. Gustav Le Bon, John Anderson, Adam Curtis, and others talk about how the breakdown of traditional structures disempower the community in the name of empowerment. Communist strategists including Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Alinsky, even Bernay's seemingly use the power of the state against the people rather than as a way to empower the people- they seem to fear the people. Communism rejects Traditional society.

Traditionalism OTOH is perhaps a system where vested interests are tied to the interest of a nation or region. Sometime opaque and difficult to attack externally. Systems of primogeniture and aristocracy are designed to be stable and resilient to external attack and diffusion over generations, promoting through loyalty.

Capitalism OTOH seemingly sees money as the abstraction and ultimate of value without consideration of non-monetary value.

Some ideologies are more open to a live and let live philosophy- Atlas Shrugged paraphrasing says that "we don't tell people what to believe, but we're not going to do business with those that want to kill us". Where as many communist societies have actively enforced speech and thought though counter revolution programs and town square killings. In a sense the intolerant communist tactic here may be more effective that the tolerant one if you consider the lesson on warfare from "The Untouchables"- "if they send one of ours to the hospital we send one of theirs to the morgue".

Dear Canem Malum,

«Ayn Rand died of lung cancer»

Ayn Rand advocated smoking as an expression of freedom.
In her book, dissidents recognised each other by smokes with the $ sign.

- She was not always right!

The only thing wrong about taxes, is that they are sometimes taken from people against their will,
that is either by violent force, by coercion or by stealing; and that is why it is morally wrong to benefit from that money.

Besides that issue, social security is a very good thing.
It secures not only the recipients, but also the wealthy:
thanks to social security we enjoy very low levels of crime in Australia.
Nobody has to break into your house because they are hungry.
This means we don't need fences and gates, padlocks, alarms and armed guards to keep us safe.
- paying for the above could cost you even more than you pay in taxes.
There are no robbers that stop us in road intersections while we wait for the green light and at gunpoint demand our car keys, as commonly occurs in many other countries that do not have social security.
There are very few beggars in Australia to harass us wherever we go or even knock on our doors, menacing and disturbing our peace at any hour.
The level of frauds, both online and offline, coming from within Australia is extremely low.
- We should count our blessings, and be proud to pay our taxes voluntarily!

Everybody in Australia pays tax, no matter how poor they are. It's called GST. Rich and poor all pay the same percentage on most things they buy. The employed and the unemployed. Maybe they could increase that to take the pressure off the whining rich. It's been talked about enough. Governments need to cut spending rather than increasing their spending - starting with huge subsidies to rich, foreign people investing in "renewable" energy, which costs everyone more than fossil fuel energy.

The GST is a Tax that would be good were not so much of it wasted & misappropriated & literally stolen by negative gearing & bureaucracy !

In Australia Capitalism has provided a great deal.

Our capitalist economy has been able to deliver for
the disadvantaged and the less fortunate. We have a
comprehensive social safety net - a National Disability
Insurance Scheme, unemployment and sickness benefits,
access to tertiary education, paid parental leave, health
care - to name a few.

It has been our capitalist economy that has allowed Australia
to provide so much for Australians.

That's why so many want to come and live here.