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Back to the USSR.

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Russia is losing this war.
Shadowminister,
That does however not translate into Ukraine winning it. The whole world is now affected by the consequences of idealism that is dependent on others’ funds. Just wait till some US state(s) decide to pull a similar stunt. There are no winners, only increasingly more losers.f
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 24 December 2023 4:23:32 PM
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"I see that Putin is now becoming desperate enough to call for negotiations."
- Putin has been calling for negotiations since before the invasion ever happened, and every day since, but they are not changing their stance from demanding de-nazification, demilitarisation and neutrality (No NATO)
And if this cannot be accommodated by diplomatic means they will achieve it militarily.
Russia has currently prepared for the conflict to last until 2027.

Meanwhile Englands in recession, the German housing bubble has just begun to burst, many other EU nations that supported these things against Russia are themselves and their citizens (economies) paying a heavy price.

"The massive losses the Russian army is suffering, the failing economy, the risk that the West will confiscate his $300bn of ill-gotten gains to fund Ukraine and the arrival of F16s and new patriot systems means that Russia is slowly but surely bleeding out."

Pointless talk that won't change anything...
The 'massive losses' is a lie, it's projection.
Ukraine are taking far more losses than the Russians.
Russia can replenish it's troops and weapons, Ukraine is struggling to do so.
Confiscating that money will do more harm to the trust of western financial system than it will to Russia, and as for the F-16s, they won't change the war. Russia has taken down some 60 fighter planes since the beginning of October.

The F-16s will get blown out of the sky, but at least it looks like the west is doing 'something' which Biden needs to do as there is an upcoming presidential election.

Russia's integrated air defense in superior to the Wests, and Ukraine's air defense has taken a beating already.

Beyond this Russians are starting to make small advances right across the front line, while the Ukrainians have sent their women to the front lines.

It won't be long now until the Ukrainian military really starts to break down.
Ukraine cannot take back territory, but Russians can and will take more Ukrainian territory.

Every day the Ukrainian military gets weaker, whilst the Russian military gets stronger.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 24 December 2023 6:09:15 PM
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Hi AC,

What is known with certainty is that three Russian jets were shot down in Kherson. As a consequence the Russians have stopped using glide bombs against the Ukrainian bridgehead over the Dnipro and are instead deploying more troops and armour to stop the advance.

As to the fortunes of Ukraine and Russia, we will have to wait and see, but if Ukraine can use Patriot systems along the front the effect won't be insignificant.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 24 December 2023 9:05:09 PM
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Baldrick,

What are you smoking? Russia is sending waves of troops against entrenched positions, hundreds of accurate artillery pieces and 1000s of deadly drone operators. Russia is estimated to be losing 7 men and tanks/etc to every man/tank/etc that Ukraine is losing.

Russia's oil and gas revenues have fallen 70% compared to 2021 (figures from Russia's central bank) and in 2023 the budget deficit is running at between US$15bn and US$25bn every month. Russia's economy is a slowly evolving train wreck. The only part of the economy is the war machine that is building $bns of targets for Ukraine.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 25 December 2023 6:29:09 AM
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Hi Fester,
"What is known with certainty is that three Russian jets were shot down in Kherson."
- Hopefully all the pilots are ok..
"As a consequence the Russians have stopped using glide bombs against the Ukrainian bridgehead over the Dnipro and are instead deploying more troops and armour to stop the advance."
If so, it'll likely only be temporarily.
They'll look at why the planes were downed, look to destroy the Patriot system, or find some other strategy.
"As to the fortunes of Ukraine and Russia, we will have to wait and see, but if Ukraine can use Patriot systems along the front the effect won't be insignificant."
- Likely they brought this Patriot system closer to the front to deal with some of the Russian fighter / bombers.
It's maybe just as likely they've already moved the Patriot system back than left it closer to the front permanently where it's more vulnerable.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 25 December 2023 8:50:46 AM
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"What are you smoking? Russia is sending waves of troops against entrenched positions, hundreds of accurate artillery pieces and 1000s of deadly drone operators. Russia is estimated to be losing 7 men and tanks/etc to every man/tank/etc that Ukraine is losing."

They must be really tough fighting women SM.
Maybe the Ghost of Kiev has made a comeback.
Don't believe everything you hear, Russians are advancing all across the front.
http://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps
http://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1737492053011935643
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 25 December 2023 9:07:38 AM
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