The Prime Minister has met with Xi Jinping in
Beijing. He has hailed his trip as a diplomatic
thaw.

He says that his visit is about "taking forward"
Australia's relationship with China - which the
Chinese President has welcomed as a "joint effort,"
to improve ties.

The PM stated that he was committed to navigating
differences "wisely and with great respect."

In his opening remarks Xi told the PM the relationship
had now "embarked on the right path of improvement."
And he was "heartened" to see that a "healthy and
stable relationship" would see the common interests of
both nations.

The Prime Minister stressed that " where differences arise
it is important that we have communication."
"From communication comes understanding."

"I believe that we all benefit from the greater understanding
that comes from high level dialogue and people links."

Do we have much to gain from this renewed relationship
with China?

Your thoughts please.

The problem is, you can't believe a word Xi Jinping, or other Communist officials, say. From the time China signed up to the WTO and agreed to abide by the rules, they commenced breaking the rules. They are still breaking the rules, and getting away with it.

I don't know for certain if it's true - nor do I care, so badly has Albanese let Australia down - but the pundits are saying that Albanese came back with nothing: the things he spoke about were already in place before he left Australia.

As I say, I don't know how true this is; but, I wouldn't trust either Xi or Albanese as far as I could kick them.

Hi Foxy,

The extreme right, as typified by the previous posters comments are not going to trust Albanese, no matter what he does with our China relationship. A relationship which is far more important to Australia, than it is to China. The stupid attitude of the previous Noaltion government clearly demonstrated what a belligerent posture can achieve, absolutely nothing positive for the little guy, just the opposite, massive negative outcomes, particularly in the area of trade.

.

Dear Foxy,

.

You wrote :

« The Prime Minister stressed that " where differences arise it is important that we have communication. From communication comes understanding. I believe that we all benefit from the greater understanding that comes from high-level dialogue and people links." »
.

That sounds like good sense to me, Foxy – even if, as ttbn says, he “wouldn't trust either Xi or Albanese as far as [he] could kick them” (nice to hear that ttbn is still kicking, though, isn’t it ? ).

The American espionage writer, Tom Clancy, is reported to have said :

« It is a principle of diplomacy that one must know something of the truth in order to lie convincingly ».

I don’t know about Xi but judging by Albo’s paltry result on the Voice “truth-telling” referendum, I doubt that he is capable of lying convincingly either. To be good at one, According to Clancy, you must be good at the other – which doesn’t seem to be the case with Albo.

No truths and no lies. That might work.

Personally, I don’t think morality is the driving force of successful diplomacy, I see diplomacy more as an art. More along the lines of the ex-British PM Edward Heath’s conception of a diplomat as “a man who thinks twice before he says nothing”. Or, perhaps more subtly, what the American poet, Robert Frost, had in mind when he suggested that “a diplomat is a man who always remembers a woman’s birthday but never remembers her age”.

The fact is Albo and Xi have embarked on the bumpy road of peaceful diplomacy for the benefit of their respective countries. They took the initiative. No need for a kick-start from ttbn. In my view, whatever progress they make, no matter how small, will be a step in the right direction.

.

Our relationship with China in recent years came under strain.

However, the current government remains committed to a
mutually beneficial and respectful relationship with
China in which as the Prime Minister has stated it can
pursue shared interests while remaining consistent with
our national sovereign interests.

We established relations with China in 1972 and an
embassy in Beijing in 1973.

According to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
our diplomatic network includes not only the embassy in
Beijing and consulates in Shanghai, Guangzhou, Chengdu,
Shenyang, and Hong Kong. There are also 8 Austrade offices
across China helping Australian businesses to enter
and promote Australia as an investment, tourism, and
education destination.

The Department also tells us that most Australian state
governments are represented in China's leading commercial
centres and Australia and China share 100 sister-state
province and sister-city relationships.

China is Australia's largest two-way trading partner in
goods and services accounting for nearly one third
(32.2%) of our trade with the world.

There as we can see - our relationship is based on strong
economic links, trade complementaries and longstanding
community and cultural links.

It's a relationship that the current government sees as
being important to maintain - which as both Paul and
Banjo Paterson agree is a step in the right direction.

I totally agree.

Dear Paul and Banjo,

One of my favourite quotes about diplomacy
came from Oscar Wilde:

" To make a good salad is to be a brilliant diplomat -
the problem is entirely the same in both cases.
To know how much oil to mix with one's vinegar."

From what I can see Airbus Albo has achieved very little other than a series of photo ops.

All the grand statements of communication etc are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Hi Foxy,

Just returned from a week in the Cook Islands where we went to attend a nieces wedding to a local "Cookie" whose been her partner for years here in Brisbane. Guess who now runs much of the local businesses in tourism/retail, that's right Asian folk. They have invested a fair amount into the local economy, and there were quite a number of younger Chinese tourists running around the place on scooters ($15 rent per day).

p/s The Cook Islands is one of the smallest countries in the world, consisting of 15 populated islands with Rarotonga being the main island, the countries population is only around 17,000 with the majority living on the main island. Tourism accounts for 65% of the economy.

Dear Paul,

Congratulations on the family wedding!
It must have been wonderful to share some
joy - with what's going on in the world currently.

Our relationship with China is based on maintaining
strong economic links plus or longstanding community
and cultural links. It's good that the current government
remains committed to a mutually beneficial and
respectful relationship with China.

The fact that our PM and our Foreign Minister made the
trip and were welcomed so warmly showed that a mutually
beneficial relationship was achievable. It will do wonders
for our economy.

It will also help Australian businesses to enter and promote
Australia as an investment, tourism, and education
destination - as you saw happening where you visited in
the Cook Islands.

You can't ignore a country who is your largest two way
trading partner and on whose network you rely.

Phillip Coorey writing for The Australian Financial
Review makes the following observations:

"Albanese came to China with his eyes wide open and
with the full support of the business sector and the
National Security Establishment."

"His aim now is to stabilise. To agree where we can,
and disagree where we cannot. Albanese's mantra is simple.
It is always better to manage strong disagreements,
difficulties, and differences through dialogue than
hostile stand offs."

Coorey stresses that - "if this trip results in a
resumption of annual talks and the cessation of coercive
trade sanctions while giving up little in return - that's
a pretty good outcome.

Foxy, Hi ! The saying should more truthfully be: "How much soy sauce would you like with your next meal of grass?" Anyone believing that Xi (and the CCP) are beneficent should read Sun Tzu's "Art of War". The ring of confidence - no not the Colgate one, is rapidly being closed in the southern/western Pacific. Successive Australian governments - Labor & Liberal have let the ball slip past the keeper. Meanwhile as the War On Terror soaked up men, women & materiel at unprecedented $Aus per annum, the respective cabinets of the past 25 years could not see, or did not want to see for offending and "losing face", the impending situation & the awakening dragon on our doorstep. To our north, Momote airfield on Manus Island, my former home, is now the site of the closest/largest airfield capable of taking Chinese military transport aircraft to Australian soil at RAAF Scherger. Vanuatu to our north east, similarly will become another imminent threat in the form of PLA naval bases. The Germans in the late 1800's saw the strategic importance of their new colonial acquisitions in PNG, establishing state of the art Marconi radio stations at Seeadler Harbour (Lombrum - now PNGDF Tarangau/ & formerly Manus Is Detention Centre)and Rabaul. Indeed these were the locations of the first military/ naval actions by Australians to take place in WW1. The Americans established a huge facility on Manus Is during WW2. Submarines, nukes, canoes & whatever will not save us, even if they were available and manned and on patrol by competent crews in the next 5 years. Best learn to speak Mandarin so we can abuse our new bosses in something they understand.

Hi Albie,

Thank you for your comments. Our Prime Minster we've
been told came to China with his eyes wide open and
with the full support of the business sector and
the National Security Establishment.

His aim now is to stabilize the relationship with China.
Whether he succeeds - we shall have to wait and see.
He was welcomed warmly - so apparently China also sees
it in their interests to work through dialogue than
hostile stand offs.

If as we're told this trip results in a resumption of
annual talks and the cessation of coercive trade
sanctions while giving up little in return as already
pointed - that is a pretty good outcome.

I'm sure that our National Security Establishment is
keeping a watch on things - and has protections
already in place. I'm sure that they are keeping a
watchful eye.

Plus Australia is in a good position with the allies
it has - and the relationships it has and is
cultivating.

Plus Australia is in a good position with the allies
it has - and the relationships it has and is
cultivating.
Foxy,
Australia's demographic is changing so quickly, your above comment will be out of date by the weekend.

.

Here is a brief audio report on the Albo/Xi meeting :

http://open.spotify.com/episode/5UTI5vCNwIkmALvHjhXrta

.

Hi and thanks BP,

That was an informative take on the Albanese visit to China. There is no doubt re-establishing dialog is a top priority for both governments. Its very much in Australia's interest to have harmonious relations with the largest power in our region, who incidentally is also by far our largest trading partner. The old 'Cold War' warriors from Dads Army on the forum wont see it that way, they believe we should be aggressive and belligerent towards China, in the Abbott style of shirt fronting. These guys think we have an "ace in the hole" in America, who will come galloping to our rescue should things get to hot for us to handle. How mistaken their thinking really is.

Thanks Banjo and Paul,

Official and unofficial trade sanctions stacked up
since 2020 to cost Australian exports up to $20
billion dollars. $13 billion a year for commodities
including coal, wine, beef, barley, and lobsters
as business and politics entwined in the relationship
as never before.

And as we can see, and as the Prime Minister said:

"It is in Australia's interests to have good relations
with Chine."

Our Prime Minister has been criticized by some
that this China trip was merely a "photo" opportunity,
which he loves.

That may be true up to a point. All politicians love
photo opportunities. Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison, et
al, were notorious for theirs.

However the Prime Minister's mantra is simple as
stated earlier - "It is always better to manage strong
disagreements, difficulties, and differences through
dialogue than hostile stand offs."

And if the trip results in a resumption of around the
table talks and the cessation of coercive trade sanctions
with giving up little in return - that is a pretty good
outcome.

Lets take a look at why overseas diplomacy is important:

http://abc.net.au/news/2023-05-21/labor-government-first-year-in-review/102374198

Katharine Murphy, political editor for The Guardian
writes:

" Politics can feel like the preserve of demagogues,
vaudevillians, and enclavists intent on prospering
politically by vilifying opposing tribes."

And we've seen plenty of that. But, having traced
the Prime Minster's career both in the past and present
she says that the PM wants to enlarge Australia's idea
of itself.

She says that the tempo might be measured, but he
wants this enough to put his prime ministership on
the line to achieve it.

According to Murphy, the Prime Minister's desire to
establish a First Nations Voice to Parliament was
one proof point of the PM's bet on our better
angels.

Murphy says that the PM is someone we haven't seen
in politics for a while. A PM prepared to have a
fight for a measure of decency and justice -
especially a fight that he wasn't sure he'd win.

Of course, there are still many challenges ahead for
him, but with his ability to negotiate, and listen
to advice - we can be sure that we are in good hands.
At least according to political editors and
journalists who cover the political arena.

I wish I could send an email I received today to OLO for all posters to see. It is titled 'I love to see famous people pose in front of statues of themselves'.

Photographs of Sylvester Stallone in front of a statue of himself; ditto Arnold Schwarzenegger, and a third of a sportsman I don't recognise.

The fourth photo is one of Albanese, grinning alongside a sculpture of a huge naked arse, facing forward, arms wrapped around it, with the head not visible, but obviously between the legs, and stuck up the arse. A good start to the weekend. There's always a funny side to even the worst situations and people.

Some wish that they could clearly see
The famous doing what comes naturally
Some bods prefer bums on display
Though many find bums not OK

But we can all admit and cheer
Our PM's China visit made so clear
A "handsome boy" - he was so called
And all of China was enthralled.

http://news.com.au/technology/online/social/handsome-boy-albo-video-goes-viral-in-china/news-story/c5abc4c46981c0ae8b4aa158a217fa17

Dear Banjo Paterson,

You write: "I don’t know about Xi but judging by Albo’s paltry result on the Voice “truth-telling” referendum, I doubt that he is capable of lying convincingly either. To be good at one, According to Clancy, you must be good at the other – which doesn’t seem to be the case with Albo."

I thought Albo's failure on the referendum was that he was painfully if not frustratingly truthful. I didn't get any sense he was trying to lie, unconvincingly or otherwise. For instance he could have been far more descriptive of what the Voice would look like in action but instead chose to honour the process to let parliament decide its makeup.

Dear Steele,

I agree. We have a Prime Minister currently - who is
rare in politics. An honest politician. Who should
be appreciated for keeping his promises.

I watched the "Insiders" on Sunday morning.
The interview with our Foreign Minister Penny
Wong was excellent. She made Australia's
position regarding China very clear. As well
as Australia's position on the Middle-East
conflict. Yes Israel has a right to defend itself -
but they also must do so within the parameters of
international laws.

Foxy,

What promises did Albogrease keep? Not the $270 p.a. savings on electricity, not containing inflation, not addressing the cost of living.

As for the voice, either Albo is a liar or a dithering idiot.

Shadow Minister,

The Prime Minister has delivered on many of his
election promises. You can look them up - if you're
genuinely interested. And his term is not over yet.
Give him time. Tony Abbott and his government had
quite a few problems. Compare the pair. And see who
did/does a better job.

In any case - to quote Winston Churchill:

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal.
It's the courage to continue that counts."

And our PM has plenty of courage.

Foxy,

I have looked, and I can't find any promises that Albozo has met or has any chance of meeting.

electricity prices - fail
Inflation - fail
real wages - fail
interest rates - fail
climate change - fail
cost of living - fail

PS being called a handsome "boy" is also a little condescending.

The China meeting was like much of this government, lots of smoke but no fire.

We can always bring back ScumO' Morrison with his Robodebt, Sports Rorts and a trillion dollars of Noaltion Debt! Oh! The joy of it all!

Take one look at the pathetic Noalition front bench and its leader Dud Dutton, and do you really want a freak show like that running the country? Never!

Shadow Minister,

You obviously did not try hard enough.

Perhaps this may help:

http://abc.net.au/news/2023-05-23/fact-check-anthony-albanese-analysis-promise-tracker/102377502

http://abc.net.au/news/fact-check/promisetracker

Here's the link again:

http://abc.net.au/news/factcheck/promisetracker

Wankernese's big promise was to introduce a Voice to parliament. That went well.

Then, it was to reduce electricity bills by $275. Ditto.

He talked big about cost of living cures. Another fail. Australia is now suffering the largest decline in household incomes of any other advanced economy over the past year.

Australia - 5.1%
Norway - 4.4%
Sweden - 3.1%
Ireland - 2.8%
Austria - 1.6%
Italy - 1.5%
Canada - 1.4%

On the up and up are:

Hungary + 0.1%
Finland + 0.6%
Belgium + 0.9%
France + 1.6%
Denmark + 1.6%
Portugal + 2.1%
UK + 2.2%
Poland + 2.3%
Slovenia + 3.3%
U.S + 3.5%
Chile + 5.6%
Spain + 6.0%

Australia is also top for inflation.

One promise by Wankernese that is coming true: his promise to ‘change Australia’.

Our Prime Minister wanted to end two centuries
of silence, but Australia failed it's First Nations
People.

The Prime Minister thought that with the Voice he
could bend the country towards progress without
breaking it. Peter Dutton and his supporters made
sure the Prime Minister couldn't.

However the Prime Minister has achieved a great deal.
As the following links show.

The Prime Minister has also leant on Winston Churchill to
visualize the path ahead for the country and for his own
Prime Ministership:

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the
courage to continue that counts."

http://abc.net.au/news/factcheck/promisetracker

http://abc.net.au/news/2023-05-23/fact-check-anthony-albanese-analysis-promise-tracker/102377502

Foxy,

Albozo failed the Aboriginals by completely cocking up the referendum.

The attempted whitewash of Albozo by the ABC tries to infer that Albozo made 64 election promises and has kept 16 of them. The problem with this is that most of the promises kept were not at the forefront of the election campaign. It also means that he hasn't kept the 48 other promises, and many of them he has broken.

Albozo's incompetence has seen his performance rating
plummet to the same level as Dutton and the parties' polling started to converge. If Albo keeps this up he might lose the next election.

I firmly believe that our Prime Minister will
get re-elected at the next election. He has much
more to offer than his opposition.

To me the Prime Minister feels comfortable and
familiar. Like being wrapped in a soft woollen
blanket on a chilly night.

He has the courage to act despite the odds.
And he keeps his promises.

Also I am sure that he will take on substantial
economic reforms to the next election.

Your concerns will prove to be unwarranted.

Hi Foxy

You know you are in trouble when your performance rating plummets to the level of DUD DUTTON and the NOALITION. Stoolfidler said so himself.

In Toowoomba today granddaughter's year 12 graduation, over 200 young people graduated from high school. I have every confidence in tommorws generation. Fine young folk with hopes and dreams for the future Despite what the Old Fart Brigade on this Forum might want us to believe.

I see that the village idiot is back, the old fart of OLO has clearly lost his mind.

Some interesting commentary:

"Voters have been patient; they’ve given the Albanese government plenty of latitude since the May 2022 election and are starting to push back against an administration obsessed with slogans, image and identity politics (“Voters begin to voice their disapproval of PM: Newspoll”, 6/11). Labor seems more interested in a turf war with the Greens than governing for working families in the outer suburbs and regions.

The geopolitical landscape has shifted and the referendum result should be a reality check for Labor. The things that matter include the cost of living, reliable and affordable energy, and a housing crisis compounded by a massive surge in immigration. Anthony Albanese’s ongoing photo ops at festivals, along with the time, effort and money spent on the referendum, are starting to grate."

Albo has broken his most important promises that relate to the cost of living, inflation interest rates and housing. As indicated above, Australia has gone backwards more than most OECD countries in the standard of living over the last year. Albozo needs to focus on voters' priorities and stop acting like a teenage girl.

What is likely at the next election is another increase in the Green and Teal vote. With both Labor and the Noalition out of touch and on the nose a hung parliament is a possibility.

"Anthony Albanese’s self-assurance, or “hubris” as described by some colleagues, contrasts with a growing number of Labor MPs and strategists who fear they will be lucky to form a minority government when voters deliver their verdict in 2025.

At the halfway point of his first term in power, Albanese’s unshakeable optimism and belief that Peter Dutton is un­electable belies a myriad of economic, social, security and global pressure points starting to bite the government.

The 60-year-old, brimming with confidence has no intention of giving up the keys to the Lodge anytime soon. If he wins the next election, ­Albanese is expected to stay put for the full term, and potentially beyond. Those close to the Prime Minister say his view, shared by others in the party, is that right now there are no credible, mainstream leadership candidates to replace him.

Ahead of his government’s 18-month anniversary on Tuesday, Albanese’s extended honeymoon has come to a crashing halt. The reversal in political fortunes has occurred at breakneck speed since the disastrous October 14 voice referendum.

He left behind a mess in Canberra on Wednesday when he flew to San Francisco to meet APEC leaders and chief executives controlling trillions of dollars. In the worst parliamentary week for the government since the election, Labor’s weaknesses and lack of political judgment were on show.

Albanese, who has never held a major economic or national ­security portfolio, was flat-footed as Dutton picked apart Labor’s ­calamitous handling of the High Court decision releasing high-risk immigration detainees and the government’s response to ugly scenes of anti-Semitism. The left-wing warrior has been found wanting on his election promise to unite Australia and ­return transparency to politics.

Trust between Labor governments, who earlier this year claimed a clean sweep on the mainland after Chris Minns’ election victory, is also disintegrating. The Queensland and NSW governments this week launched scathing attacks on their federal colleagues after Infrastructure Minister Catherine King slashed funding for major projects, while the West Australian government expressed concerns over the ­release of 32 immigration detainees with criminal records."

Dutton seems to be stirring his stumps at last. His grilling of the (absent again) PM in Parliament over non-citizen, no-visa illegals and violent criminals being emptied out of detention into the population was excellent. If he keeps it up he might get back the thousands of votes lost to the party by Turnbull and Morrison. Albanese, when he is actually in the country, has not done a thing to suggest that he deserves another term - just the opposite.

"Albanese does not have these shots in his locker and the chickens of his government’s increased spending and amplified regulation are already coming to roost in the form of declining living standards. Opinion polls are starting to reflect this and, together with a hostile reaction to its desperate attempts to placate its base Islamicist support, will likely bring about a crushing defeat at the next election." (Alan Moran, economist)

Shadow Minister,

The Prime Minister and his government has had
a lot to deal with - and they still face many
more challenges. There's been many matters of
public importance which have dominated the news
and elicited much public discussion.

Ranging from issues like the nonsensical COVID
inquiry, to the self-destructive housing debate,
to the ill-fated Voice to Parliament, to the
Qantas/Qatar issue - just to name
a few, - all of them happening
during a very painful cost of living crisis that
affects many working people.

Will the Prime Minister and his government be able
to pull themselves out of a downward flight path
of disaster and disappointment - and rise soaring
upwards and succeed
in dealing with whatever challenges
come up between now and the next federal election?

Well, there's still time.

But, of course - we can only hope.

Dud Dutton's employment history is a shocker, failed copper, who couldn't get a job, Old Man Dutton sacked a couple of hard workers to put Dud into the family business. Now Dud has a career as a failed politician. Hardly PM material.

Foxy,

The first step in solving a problem is to recognise it. As you describe, Labor's first year of government has been "a downward flight path of disaster and disappointment."

The next step is what to do. I propose to dump the incompetent weasels.

What is the alternative to Albo? Dud Dutton and his bunch of Noalition imbos! Who can forget the dysfunctional governments of the Mad Monk, Turnballs and ScumO' inflicted on a long suffering Australia for almost 10 years! The big two make the Greens and Teals even the Lovely Pauline and the Mad Katter look a good alternative.

P/s The Mad Katter is totally against my politics, but Bob's good value, even if he doesn't know what he's talking about!

Thought for the day:

"Never give female narcissists any attention. Do not try to compete with them".

Time to move on folks. Only one female on the site, and you are letting her pull your chains. Pathetic! Move on.

Shadow Minister,

There's certainly matters of public importance
that will dominate public discussion for some
time. Not only the Middle-East conflict, but
our relationship with China, and so many other
issues.

The federal election is way off yet - and we
don't know what the future holds.

I prefer to wait and see what develops.

I watched "The Insiders," this morning. There
was an interview with Senator James Paterson
that proved interesting - and as always he
chose his words carefully. A great politician.

Here's a few more thoughts:

We've got generations of men who've grown up with
an expectation of advantage that they don't have
anymore. That displacement in status has made these
very ordinary people very angry.

That explains their troll-like behaviour and their
reasons to hate. But really what they are mad at is
the fact they are not included in anything ever.

Shadow Minister,

If we had more diversity in parliament we could have
a true exchange of ideas and politicians could then
come up with some great policies that would serve
voters well.

I admire the younger crop of recent politicians like -
James Paterson, Keith Wolahan, John Jordon-Steele,
Claire Chandler, Anika Wells, to name just a few.

Who do you admire?

Hi Foxy,

Nothing to worry about when the Forums number one Old Fart drops in to deliever another one of his stuiped broadsides at you. He does that from time to time, thinks it will niggle you into returning fire. Just let him suck it up and make a fool of himself as usual.

Dear Paul,

Don't worry.

I deal with cyberbullying and trolls with:

2 words, 1 finger.

(smile).

The village idiot is probably the oldest decrepit fart, easily in his mid-70s and represents the mentally handicapped OLO posters with conviction and dyslexia.

We may be 18 months to the next election but the way that Albozo is burning through the goodwill and political capital that got labor elected, I wouldn't be surprised if the knives are already being sharpened.

Even after kissing Xi's backside, the Chinese still think he's a joke.

Remember Birmingham with his "I rang the Chinese, but they wouldn't take my call, I'm really upset." Elect Dud Dutton and the Noalition, and it will be a return to Robodebt, and a trillion dollars of Noalition extravagance that gave us colour coded spread sheets, non existent swimming pools and car parks rorts! They might even put ScumO' back in charge, and have Friedbrain as Treasurer! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Albanese has returned from his love-in with the Chinese dictator, refusing to say boo about about the Chinese aggression against a RAN ship, and consequent injury to navy divers.

While he was AWOL from his responsibilities, acting PM, Marles, had to consult with the Leader of the Opposition for advice that his Communist fan-boy leader wasn't here to give, on the naval incident and on debacle caused by the High Court instigated release of violent criminal/illegal entrants into the Australian community.

Some d-khead (now stood down) in Home Affairs advised the dopy Minister that the government could win on the 20 year convention of locking up violent illegals indefinitely, and he was believed.

All those glued to the mainstream media wouldn't be aware of the screening on alternative media of Albanese’s promises (prior to being elected) that he wouldn't be going overseas when he was needed, unlike Morrison, who did it once.

Commonese has averaged a trip a month in his 18 months of nation-breaking dictatorship.

2 words, 1 finger!

Albanese prior to the election:

"If I’m Prime Minister, I won’t go missing when the going gets tough — or pose for photos and then disappear when there’s a job to be done. I’ll show up, I’ll step up — and I’ll work every day to bring our country together.”

It's your finger. Put it where you like.

Our Prime Minister is not intent on prospering
politically by vilifying opposing sides. He wants
to enlarge Australia's idea of itself. The tempo
might be measured but he wants this enough to put
his Prime Ministership on the line to achieve it.

He's someone we have not seen in politics for a
while. A Prime Minister prepared to
have a fight for a measure of decency and justice
especially a fight he was not entirely certain
he'd win. We saw that with his desire to
establish a First Nations Voice to Parliament.
He made a big bet on our better angels.

And he won't give up.

ttbn,

Know that I'm raising my middle-finger right now
and saying, "bite me."

Ah well. I suppose I should practise what I preach and treat narcissists, especially female ones, the way that they should be treated. You have real problems, Foxy. You don't realise that of course. That's the thing about narcissism. Only other people can see it, and then only people in the know.

ttbn,

I value constructive comments and I do understand that
on a discussion forum we will have different opinions
on issues but I think it would be more helpful if we
could find a middle ground that benefits everyone without
resorting to personal attacks.

Albanese made a real idiot of himself in Parliament, ranting, raving and jerking his right arm up and down - screeching how he was into getting people ‘together’ (as per the Voice?)

All the while, Dutton looked on, perfectly calm, deadpan.

Very emotional is Albanese; short on smarts and decorum; goes on short overseas trips regularly to be among people who don't have time to wake up to him and his temper tantrums.

He seems to be losing it.

. He refuses to say whether or not he brought up the recent Chinese aggression against a RAN ship with his Communist mate.

. The Voice is a dead duck, which he refused to tell anyone about.

. He won't have an investigation into the Covid travesty.

. He has nothing to say about mass immigration and how it will be managed.

. He is handing back industrial relations to the extremist unions. Pay increases as productivity sinks.

. He can't or won't respond to the Opposition's questioning about managing criminal non-citizens.

. He is all “huff and puff” and emotional , unlike Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles, who is often in charge when Airbus Albo is absent, and presents as a much better proposition as leader if Labor wants another term. Marles had the good sense to consult with Peter Dutton, who has had vast experience in immigration and home affairs, while Airbus was overseas during the High Court finding on letting criminal illegal immigrants out of detention.

According to various parliamentary colleagues, Albanese, in his years in the job, never displayed any aptitude for leadership. How he is now Prime Minister, openly confirming that lack of aptitude, is a mystery.

The second worst Prime Minister ever, Kevin Rudd, is said to have stitched things up so that the leadership cannot be changed as easily as it can with the other lot. But, for all our sakes, Labor has to do something to get rid of this bloke. He can't be allowed to continue wrecking the joint until the next election.

Even the ABC is headlining the dangerous idiot's refusal to tell Australians what they are entitled to know:

"Prime minister refuses to say whether he raised Chinese navy's harm of ADF divers with Xi Jinping".

He's not going to talk about 'private conversations', he squeaks. The conversation never occurred, and he doesn't have the guts to admit it, just as he didn't have the guts to tackle the Communist dictator.

The repeated footage of him rushing up to Xi, patting him on the shoulder and grinning like a star-struck school girl says it all.

Ho-hum,

The Chinese navy should keep out of Sydney Harbour and stop interfering with Australia's peaceful "surveillance" operations, on behalf of America, in the South China Sea, and the Sea Of Japan etc, etc.

Hi Paul,

The Prime Minister has taken the right approach in
keeping his conversations with another world
leader private. It would have been inappropriate
of him to air those conversations in public and the
opposition is merely weaponizing whatever it can to
attack. Unfortunately, these outmoded tactics won't
get them re-elected.

Also regarding the release of detainees into our
communities? Those with criminal records are going
to be strictly monitored and the government will
follow them closely according to the strict laws
already in place.

We should give our government a chance to do its job.
Before criticisms are hurled at our current government
lets remember that we had a former PM who was sworn in to
five separate ministries and that he shielded himself from
scrutiny by establishing a Cabinet Committee of which he
was the only member.

Morrison was criticized for his actions but he validated them
by refusing to release the minutes of his meetings.

Dutton should simply think before he speaks.

Foxy,

You claim that "Our Prime Minister is not intent on prospering politically by vilifying opposing sides."

He vilified the opposition plenty during the pathetic voice campaign.

Thanks to Albozo's idiocy:

"Support for a treaty with First Nations people has slumped while approval for a truth-telling commission has languished after the Voice referendum was defeated. Only about a third of voters now support these measures, along with the Voice, which were the three pillars of the Uluru Statement from the Heart that the Albanese government had committed to fulfilling.

Backing for the treaty has fallen from 58 per cent in October to 33 per cent this month, according to a Resolve Political Monitor survey done for the Nine News masthead. Meanwhile, only 34 per cent are in favour of a truth-telling body, with 31 per cent opposed and 34 per cent undecided."

Shadow Minister,

The Prime Minister did not vilify anybody.
He simply spoke the truth. There's a difference.
Dutton, and his supporters vilified themselves
by their behaviour. And the Prime Minsiter had
the guts to not give up. Again big difference
between the two leaders and why one got elected
the other didn't.

"Anthony Albanese’s position on China is becoming untenable. It’s inconsistent, incoherent, self-contradictory and frankly a little ridiculous.

Either the Prime Minister did raise with Xi Jinping China’s shocking actions at sea that deliberately caused the injury of Australian navy personnel, or he didn’t. Albanese’s later comments on Sky TV criticising China look like a now typical government effort to clean up a prime ministerial mess.

Albanese will have to tell us whether he raised the matter with Xi or not. The Australian people have a perfect right to know this.

There are only two possibilities on the Albanese/Xi encounter. Either the PM did not raise the naval issue with Xi, in which case the much ballyhooed new dialogue with Beijing is all but worthless, as we are apparently not allowed to raise issues where the Chinese military attacks our personnel."

A storm in a tea cup. Shonkyminister might think there is some political mileage in it for his folk hero Dud Dutton, but who really cares?

Has anyone seen the so called shadow treasure Angus Taylor in action? The guys a halfwit, something like our poster of the same name. You wouldn't trust him with the school play lunch money. The whole Noalition's front bench is a write off in my book!

Village idiot,

Jim Chalmers has zero economic qualifications only in communications and public policy which is as useful as a PhD in knitting and Slim Jim couldn't read a financial statement if his life depended on it.

The $275 p.a. electricity savings are long gone,
Inflation is increasing
Interest rates are increasing
The cost of living is falling.

And Labor's polling is falling

Actually, the incident was all Australia's fault, according to Albanese’s Communist mates, and “relevant parties” should stop making trouble “in front of China's doorsteps” - the doorsteps being in this case Japanese waters, and anywhere else China says so.

"The Chinese military is strictly disciplined and always operates professionally in accordance with the international law and international common practices. We hope relevant parties will stop making trouble in front of China’s doorsteps and work with China to preserve the momentum of improving and growing China-Australia ties," said spokeswoman Mao Ning on Monday evening.

That's like the sort of blockhead, juvenile, never-wrong response we get from another ‘spokeswoman’ for the ultra-Left here on OLO.

Improving China-Australia “ties” means, of course, that Australia should fall into place with Communist China, and become more like China. Albanese seems to be doing just that!

Albanese is well out of his depth. He is not capable of dealing with China, nor pretty much anything he touches: the Voice, cost of living, Israel, immigration. You name it, he has buggered it up.

Albanese lacks the confidence needed for the job of PM. He allowed himself to be bullied by a pack of Blaktivists; he has no chance of dealing with a dictator like Xi.

Has China lifted its tariffs on Australian products?

Our Prime Minister has worked with the Foreign Minister
to restore a number of trade relationships that were
badly affecting Australian export businesses,
particularly with China. He's also established
personal diplomatic relationships with our allies -
in the United States, in Europe, and in the Pacific region,
each of which was in tatters through poor diplomacy
and neglect.

He's achieved a great deal on the domestic front as well.
Links have already been given through fact-check.

Comparing our current government with previous ones - these
quotes come to mind:

"This government is all smirk and mirrors."

"At a time when we need muscle, the government has left
us only bone."

"Mention the Enlightenment to these people, and they
reach for the dimmer switch."

Our PM - made all of those comments - about
previous governments.

As far as the storm in the teacup, Airbus Albozo glossing over China's deliberate injuring of Australian sailors so as not to spoil his photo op is far more serious.

There is also the problem that the Chinese attack on the sailors occurred nearly a week before Albozo's photo op but no information was released until his meeting with Xi. That looks even worse.

Foxy is just a broadcaster for the Albanese government, like and all.

That should read 'lies and all'. It makes one wonder if she is actually a Labor politician. Probably just a wide eyed tout and propagandists, a volunteer Goebbels. All the fanaticism is present in her adoration for Albanese.

I'm not sure whether to be flattered or insulted.

I do have a mind of my own. And my likes don't just
include Labor. I've often mentioned young Liberal
Senators like James Paterson and Keith Wolahan -
both of whom I see as having great future's in
politics. And I'm kept up to date by both of them
via email.

In any case as we've all witnessed from the past
and the present - our leaders are not perfect. If we
did a check-list of flaws - we'd find things wrong
with each - - from Whitlam's
questionable judgement, to Fraser's over-bearing,
to Hawke's vanity, to Keating's inability to sell his
ideas, to Howard's pandering, and the list goes on.

I like our current Prime Minister as a person.
I admire how he rose
to his leadership position despite all odds. And what
he has tried to achieve thus far. But it's still too
early to make a
full judgement on his Prime Ministership.
He's doing well. Lets hope this will continue.

The following link may be of interest:

http://theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/26/from-lone-wolf-to-leader-the-making-of-anthony-albanese

Foxy,

In Nov 22 those on the left thought that the sun shone out of Albozo's backside. Now most Australians think that its where he talks out of. 2023 especially the 2nd half has been a disaster for Albozo and is looking grim for Labor.

Airbus Albozo has spent about $15m on his 18 overseas trips in 18 months with his entourage and makes Kevin 747 look thrifty.

Thanks to Labor's stellar economic management, Australia looks likely to dip into recession in 2024.

Our most recent recession was under a Noalition government, which ran up a trillion dollars of debt pandering to their mates down at the Big End Of Town. Who can forget how ScumO' the minister for everything, and his sidekick Sloshed Friedbrain throw millions at the likes of the billionaire Gerry Harvey! Who can forget the massive Noalition rorting; Sportsrorts, Carparkrorts, land deal rorts, massive waste, paying the Frogs $5 billion for doing nothing, and the icing on the cake... ROBODEBT!

Can Australia really afford a failed copper whose only claim to fame is he looks like Mr Potatohead, leading the nation? Me thinks not!

Only a real jerk off would vote the Noalition back into government in the next 10 years!

And our most recent paedophile MP was the Greens' Jonathan Davis.

No surprise there

Not very good political arguments.

You don't get approval by defaming the opposition while
avoiding personal accountability. You don't get
approval from making an argument as to why your side
is good by attacking or trying to destroy the other side.

You don't tell voters they should vote for your side
because the other side is worse.

Do you really believe that nobody cares about the
people who quietly go about getting things done
while you and your side is simply screaming against
your opposition?

Do you really believe this will get you elected?

Surely some lessons should have been learned from
the last election.

shadowminster, is some kind of sick mind, who needs help. He posted that the actions of paedophiles is in his words; "minor transgressions". Well, a 54 year old National Party MP James Hayward, molested a six year old girl for a period of two years, according to the judge it was "serious offending". Hayward is now serving 2 years and 9 months jail for his disgusting acts with a young child. But shadowminister considers it a "minor transgression".... I would say a very sick and questionable individual. Are you in your fifties or sixties and hiding out in New Zealand?

Village idiot,

You are LYING again, I never said that what JH did was a minor transgression. However, you are yet to condemn Jonathan Davis. You are really a sick puppy.

The Greens are not only mentally deficient but wildly racist, to the point that they are even worse than One Nation. Adam (bum) Bandit is a Jew hater to the core as are the whole rotten bunch in the gangreens.

Anthony Albanese has never gotten his story straight on the voice. Sometimes it was a great historic change. Other times it was no big deal, just an advisory body. That is why Labor's polling is shrinking.

P.S. Regarding corrupt pollies, ex-Labor MP Craig Thompson has just pleaded guilty to more fraud.

FYI

"Labor’s primary vote has tumbled to below its 2022 election result for the first time with both major parties now neck and neck on a two-party-preferred basis as cost-of-living pressures escalate and the Albanese government faces a mounting list of political and policy crises.

An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows Labor’s primary vote falling four points to 31 per cent in the past three weeks.

But the government has also been plagued with unexpected political events since the failure of the voice referendum in October which marked the beginning of a slide in electoral support for the government and the prime minister personally.

Since the last Newspoll, the government has stood accused of bungling the policy response to the High Court’s decision to overturn indefinite immigration detention, while the Prime Minister was criticised for his delayed and secretive response to the Chinese navy’s ­aggressive manoeuvres against Australian navy divers.

The opposition has also taken the government to task over a ­perceived slow response to rising anti-Semitism and pro-Palestinian protests against a backdrop of Mr Albanese’s frequent overseas travel.

While electoral support for Labor fell following the loss of the referendum, the latest Newspoll conducted between last Monday and Friday marks the single greatest fall in a single period for the government."

The government now heads into the final parliamentary sitting of the year with its primary support lower than its election result of 32.6 per cent. The Coalition’s primary vote has lifted a point to 38 per cent – its highest level of support since the election.

In two-party-preferred terms, this puts Labor and the Coalition at 50-50 for the first time, on the back of a four-point turnaround since the last Newspoll on November 3.

shonkyminister,

Others have judged you previously for what you continually post, without provocation, banging on about paedophiles and paedophilia on the forum, literally 100's of times. You seem to get your rocks off on the subject. Why? As for the offences of Hayward, others can read what you said.

As for this Davis, has he been charged, found guilty like Hayward, is he still in the Greens, is he still sitting in the ACT Legislature, is he being defended by his party leader like Hayward was. No, but should he be found guilty by a court of law of child sex offences then they should throw the book at him. I wont say its a "minor transgression".

Village idiot,

It must be hard for you having criminals and paedos (2 convicted and one not yet convicted) in senior positions in the greens to get up on your soapbox and wag your finger at others. That you are still trying to cover up Davis shows how sick you are.

As for provocation, every time you post garbage and defamation about the coalition, I will remind you of the cesspit that is the Gangreen party.

What Shonky doesn't tell you is Labor's primary vote is bleeding to the Greens and Teal independents. At the moment a most likely outcome would see a hung parliament with the balance of power in the hands of Greens and Teals. The Noalition would still be on the outer with voters.

What village idiot doesn't tell you is that Labor's votes have bleed to just about every party including one nation and the coalition. That Labor's 2PP vote advantage has gone from 8% to 0% in a couple of months shows that most of the votes have bled to the centre, not to the left.

Hi Paul,

Mr Albanese is still the nation's preferred leader.

Hi Foxy,

With a Federal election about 18 months away, Shonky is hoping and praying that some miracle will breath life into his beloved, dead as a dodo Noalition and their pathetic leader, his folk hero Mr Potato Head, the Dud Dutton.

Just imagine, there is Mr Potato Head leading a procession of plucked Dodo's into Parliament House to form the next government! All to the tune of, "High-Ho, High-Ho, Off To Work We Go". It just can't happen.

The village idiot and foxy are desperately trying to cling onto the scraps the voters have left Labor after 18 months of incompetence and virtue signalling. Labor has set a new record in burning through its political capital and is now set for a downward trajectory.

"Labor is facing an increasingly hostile electorate with 60 per cent of the key 35 to 49-year-old cohort saying they are worse off compared to two years ago, as Anthony Albanese prepares to lean on Jim Chalmers’ mid-year budget update and a migration shake-up to win back angry voters.

An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows 50 per cent of Australians feel they are in a worse financial position than two years ago, with the pain higher for the “Middle Australia” age group who are most exposed to interest rate rises through the soaring cost of rents and mortgage repayments.

Facing mounting economic, national security and legislative pressures, the Prime Minister will reassure nervous Labor MPs when caucus meets on Tuesday that Labor can re-engage voters concerned the government is not on top of rising cost-of-living ­pressures."

That Labor is now having problems with illegal boat entries is also not helping.

There's old Shonky, clutching at straws, relying on what Old Man Rupert has to say in his scandal sheet is rather pathetic. A hung parliament with a minority Labor government would seem ideal to me as an opportunity to advance the much needed progressive agenda of The Greens and Teals. I say bring it on. Looking at the Noalition front bench, just imagine the likes of Ley, Taylor Littleproud and the joy of joys Barnyard Joy all headed up by Mr Potato Head, running the country.

Yesterday a Noalition flunky, the top public servant Michael Pezzullo, was sacked for his roll in undermining the elected government.

It appears that the village idiot is in denial.

The most reliable and trusted political poll has indicated that his beloved Labor party is on the skids even with preferences from the gangreens and squeals.

Only a moron would believe that a newspaper would do its own polls and not use an independent 3rd party.

Shadow Minister,

It appears that you're the one in denial.

Anthony Albanese according to news sources still holds
a substantial lead on Peter Dutton as preferred PM.

After 2 decades of stony-faced escalation on issues the
attempts at re-branding Dutton - has not succeeded with voters.
And that for the Coalition is a major problem now, and it will
be an even greater one into the future,.

I doubt if any further hard-sell of the man will succeed.
A new leader is required - and a new image if the Coalition
is to even come close to getting even close to winning the
next election.

Speak to any young person about Dutton - and they simply laugh.
He's not taken seriously. Perhaps he should go back to police work.
If they'll have him. Or live off the earnings of his properties.

Shadow Minister,

You're backing the wrong horse. Dutton is a long-shot.
The odds are against his winning.

Hi Foxy,

"Perhaps he (Constable Dud) should go back to police work."....Nah, he was doing the late night Macca's run to pick up 'Happy Meals' for Sarge and the lads down at the cop shop HQ, when he rolled the squad car. Then he tried to sue the taxpayers for zillions for his; "loss of burgers!"

He was useless as a copper, went in as a Constable Clod, 10 years later he came out the same way. Daddy Dutton had to sack a couple of hard working fellas in the family business, just to give the useless son a job!

Village idiot,

LYING and Defaming people again I see. Compared to the failed bank tellers, criminals, racists, half-wits, and convicted paedophiles in the greens the coalition is looking good.

Foxy,

Dutton doesn't have to win the next election if Albozo loses it. So far Airbus Albozo is doing that for him.

Shadow Minister,

Predicting elections is risky at the best of times.

But in Dutton's case compared to the current PM?

You can't seriously believe Dutton has a chance.
Dutton is the kind of man who picks his friends -
to pieces.

Foxy,

I haven't been predicting a Coalition win, and given that no government has been tossed out after a single term in nearly a century I rated it as highly unlikely until recently. Even now the odds are in favour of a Labor government.

However, Labor's focus on ideological issues such as the "voice" and its dismissive response to the bread-and-butter issues such as the cost of living, inflation, interest rates and power prices has alienated many voters and without a major reprioritization, the collapse of the Labor vote is only going to get worse.

Labor can rescue itself, but a major effort is needed and the window is closing otherwise Albozo could make history in the wrong way.

Hi Shadow Minister,

Well you could be right. Any government can make
mistakes - and I guess the current one is
certainly facing many challenges especially with
inflation and prices on the rise and as you say -
the bread and butter issues are important.

However, we'll have to wait and see what develops.
The past record of the Coalition has not been a
good one in this either. Not sue if elected, they
could do any better. Albanese is more experienced
that Dutton in dealing with government problems.

Before I go - how long did Tony Abbott serve as
Prime Minister?

Foxy,

It is almost an axiom that the back pocket holds the greatest sway over voters. 50% of voters feel financially worse off under this government and only 16% feel better off so labor is in a really bad place especially as it is hard to fix in 18 months. If anyone in Labor is not panicking they should be.

As for Abbott, his tenure was roughly that of Krudd and Juliar, and Albozo may yet not make it that far.

Shadow Minister,

What saves political parties is their ability to adapt.
But the Liberal Party doesn't seem to want to do that.
They're stuck in a time-warp. Hence, I think that
we'll see a terminal decline unless there is a change
of leadership with new blood and ideas.

The Liberal Party has always been a weird party. An
amalgamation of various groups bound together by
their opposition to Labor but having very little else
in common.

Many of the traditional voters no longer trust the
Party and are searching for new political actors
who can better represent their interests. We saw this
with the wave of Independents at the last election.

Both parties have to lift their game come next election.

My electorate is a safe Liberal seat here in Melbourne.
And our federal MP is actually fantastic. No complaints.
He works hard and actually listens to his constituents.
He's always readily available. We need more like him.

Foxy,

Adaptability is important to survival, however, to be adaptable one needs to be able to recognise where change is happening and react accordingly. Albozo failed to listen to voters concerning the voice and as a result got thrashed at the polls losing a lot of credibility. Similarly the release of the detainees was handled very badly and Labor was caught lying about it.

The inflation/cost of living crisis has been building for 18 months yet Labor was caught with their pants down when the inevitable voter reaction occurred. Now we have illegal boats starting again and Labor's response is to ignore it and hope it goes away.

If Labor can change it is hiding it well.

Shadow Minister,

The Prime Minister and his government has adapted very
well. The fact that the Voice failed was something
that was beyond his control. He kept his election
promise to our First Nations people which he considered
more important.

As for the High Court Ruling regarding the detainees?
As Prime Minister he must act according to the laws
passed, However, this matter is by no means over
and things are looking up. Too early to judge just yet.

Foxy,

The "voice" failure was entirely Albozo's fault. From the moment the idiot refused to compromise with the Coalition it was doomed. The $450m wasted on the campaign was a monument to arrogance and incompetence.

As far as releasing sex predators onto the streets, it's been shown that it was entirely possible to use preventative detention to hold these criminals until new legislation was passed. Another own goal.

Hi Foxy,

Compromise with the Noalition, is like compromising with a rattle snake on how many times it going to bite you. On the Voice, the Noalition weren't so long ago, their forebears that is, were kicking heads off aboriginal babies for sport, why would today's mob want to talk to them?

Hi Paul,

Best to not argue with some on this forum. Their level
of ignorance will leave you speechless. But on a public
forum - it takes all sorts. I'm just happy to talk to
people who are more plugged in. The others can keep
on singing from the same song book. They don't really
matter in the general scheme of things. At least not to me.
We live in different worlds.

Foxy,

You are living in a world of your own. Well before the referendum debacle senior Labor members were begging Albozo to compromise. Were all the Labor caucus ignorant?

As for the village idiot, his ancestors were eating each other and killing surplus babies. Survivors weren't selected for intelligence.

[Deleted for abuse and poster suspended]

Shadow Minister,

I've just come back to this discussion and read your comment
to Paul.

You said that his ancestors were eating each other and
killing surplus babies and that survivors weren't
selected for intelligence.

You went too far and provoked his reaction.

Foxy,

You had no problem with the village idiot's comment:

"their forebears that is, were kicking heads off aboriginal babies for sport,"

At least my comment is based partially on facts as there is some evidence of aboriginal cannibalism and infanticide.

If you had a skerrick of integrity and impartiality I might give a damn what you think.

Foxy,

Nothing I said warranted the filth that Paul posted.

Shadow Minister,

There you go again with the insults. Do you have to use
words like "village idiot?" and other negatives?
We can't help what others post - but if we're rational
decent people - we do try to use restraint.

Anyhow, I'm not going to preach.

We can't change people's minds about what they think of
us. People believe what they want.
As I said earlier - I know myself - and I just do my own thing.
Hopefully without offending too many.

Hello Wahine,

Welcome to the Forum.

Public Forums attract all sorts of people. This one
is among one of the best because the Moderator gives
us so much leeway and such a diverse amount of opinions.
Of course we will react when the right buttons are pushed.
That's normal. However, I do try to show restraint.
I'm not always successful - of which I'm not proud. But
on the whole - I just do my own thing.

I trust my own judgement.

Give my Best Wishes to Pop and the family. May the true
spirit of Christmas being you peace and happiness and
may the New Year bring you many happy hours.
Enjoy every moment.

Take Care.

Foxy,

Paul lies continuously, insults me and many others and from time to time becomes so vile that he gets thrown off the site. Yet you believe it is my fault. You are a real piece of work.

Shadow Minister,

Once again - you're being insulting.

All I am asking is for you to try to have adult conversations
without having to stoop to insults. It's not that complicated.
Yet you're once again not taking responsibility for your own
actions. Try not to provoke others by name calling. If you can't
do that - then walk away.

Calling me a "piece of work? What does that even mean?
Unless you mean - a piece of art - then Thank You.

Hi Foxy Lady, not posting here as I read a lot of toxic stuff put up by the same old same old, over and over, always venting anger. I like your comments, but you get slammed all the time for them. Here lists lots of users but where are they, I only see a few who post. The site is so out of date, cant even post pics. I don't even do Facebook much these days, boring as well. Have a great Christmas.

Foxy,

If you were being adult you would say something about the vile things that Paul said and consider that maybe his name-calling, lies and insults in every thread start the vitriol.

When you take a non-partisan approach then you might be taken seriously.

If Paul was an adult he wouldn't be continuously booted off the site for abuse and defamation.

I hear that Albozo might be planning a visit to Australia in the near future.

Shadow Minister,

Your use of "endearments" like:

"Albozo," "Juliar," "Krudd" "Village idiot," and more,
-gives you no cred.
whatsoever. We can all sniff out a true BS artist.

I'll give your comments all the consideration that they
deserve.

Foxy,

I see that none of your finger-wagging is ever directed to Paul who continuously mangles the names of people. Another example of left-whinge hypocrisy.

Shadow Minister,

So let me understand you. When you provoke Paul -
and he responds, you want me to tell him off?
Will that make you stop with the name calling
and labelling?

Foxy,

In the case you criticised me, Paul started it and I responded.

In your own words, you are a hypocrite. In nearly every case Paul starts the lies and ad hominems.

Shadow Minister,

Were you not taught by your parents and teachers to
take responsibility for your own actions? We certainly
can't be held responsible for the actions of others.
But we can be held responsible for our own actions.
And reactions. Provoked or not. We have a choice.

How we react and respond to others is our responsibility.
And you should be adult enough to not excuse your own
behaviour with the old excuse - "it's his fault" "He made
me do it."

Plus, Paul does not make you use labels like - " Juliar,"
"Albozo," "Krudd," "Village idiot," et cetera.
Those terms are your own invention. Just as are your
regular references to pedophilia.

Fess up and take responsibility - just once.

Foxy,

I totally take responsibility for my actions I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy. If you believe that the village idiot should not be responsible for his own actions is this because he has the mental age of a 5-year-old or because you agree with his lies and abuse?

Talking about not taking responsibility for his own actions, Albozo has said that the thrashing labor took over the voice is not his problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoC6xfqFd4g&ab_channel=PaulineHanson%27sPleaseExplain