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The rise of the Blak National parliament

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Aboriginal "advantages":

Shorter life expectancy.

Higher rates of infant mortality.

Poorer health.

Lower levels of education and employment.

Higher incarceration rates.

Not being listened to and having decisions made for them.

Self-determination not allowed.

Who could possibly object to all these "advantages?"

They should be happy to leave things as they are.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 September 2023 11:31:28 AM
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Steele cannot get over the fact that:
Quote: "The same report also found that:
Estimated expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians, compared with $20,900 for other Australians (a ratio of 2.08 to 1 — an increase from a ratio of 1.93 to 1 in 2008-09)."

Then you have royalties paid directly to aboriginals from mining and other companies for use of lands.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 29 September 2023 11:44:54 AM
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Foxy believes the lies that the Voice will solve these problems.
The problems exist despite Billions being spent to overcome these problems. Now she wants an additional bureaucratic system installed for the Voice of aboriginal activists.

They just need to move into a Western lifestyle like most aboriginals and abandon the dust, bush food scavenging, flies, and smoke. The Voice will not change their choice of culture. See Noel Pearsons school projects for levels of education failures. It will not change under the VOICE. She should listen to aboriginals who have achieved self-determination without a Voice in Canberra, it is a fantasy that Canberra will give them self-determination.

Quote: "The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner conducted a survey of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s perspectives on the Declaration in 2012. Participants in the survey identified the following examples of how self-determination can be exercised:

through our own representative bodies
through our own schools, justice systems, health systems
by having control over our lives
by being able to participate in decisions that affect us
through being subject to our own laws
by establishing our own government
by establishing our own sovereign state."

This is what self-determination means to the activist. Note by establishing our own Government and laws. That is what Foxy pursues.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 29 September 2023 12:15:59 PM
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No. That is wrong.

This has nothing to do with Foxy or anyone else.
This is what our First Nations people have asked for.
To advise the government of the day on laws and
policies that affect them - and what will work
in their communities - because government solutions
without their consultation have
not worked thus far and the money has been mis-directed.

Why not give them a chance - when nothing else has worked?
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 September 2023 1:04:38 PM
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Josephus,

You are doing it again. Diversion, diversion, diversion.

I will ask directly again.

Why did you exclude the paragraph in between the two that you quoted which showed exactly what I had been putting?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 29 September 2023 1:08:57 PM
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For your information.
Taken from the following link:

http://theconversation.com/the-voice-alone-wont-solve-the-issues-facing-indigenous-people-everyone-has-to-do-that-work-206676#

Indigenous leaders, scholars, and community members
have spent decades suggesting solutions to inequities
in this country, which still have not been implemented.

For years communities have called asking to be heard
in government. They now have a chance to hopefully
with the Voice assist in informing government on
policy and legal decisions that impact on their lives.

Having a few Aboriginal politicians in parliament who
also represent their wider electorates is not enough.
Indigenous people need a Voice that represents them
so they can be heard and listened to.

Of course the Voice can't solve all the deeply entrenched
bigotry in Australian society, media, and institutions.

The efforts of the social imbalance caused by colonisation
impacts on us all. And whether we like to admit it or not
the reason that it continues - is because people in power
and the wider (whiter) community continue to benefit
from it.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 September 2023 1:55:52 PM
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