Must say, most of the 'NO' advocates are in good company with their opposition to 'THE VOICE'. Far right extremist like JIM SALEAM from the racists AUSTRALIA FIRST PARTY is advocating strongly for a 'NO' vote. SALEAM is out there peddling a bigoted racists hate message towards Aboriginal people. PETER DUTTON and others are certainly in good company, SALEAM, HANSON, etc.

Josephus said "Unfortunately, Foxy is blind to the real agenda of the Communists."

Answer- From what I can see Foxy is a communist she does doesn't want to be labelled one.

"Foxy is a communist"

Only to a wacko nut job, using an anonymous forum would associate a moderate poster like Foxy with the likes of Stalin and Mao, two of the great mass murderers of the 20th century. Foxy, think nothing of this fool as he tries to degenerate you in this way. There is something abnormal about such a strange fella, he sees "reds under the beds" at every turn.

BTW, its only a twist on Godwin's Rule, The Kudos Kid, can't invoke Hitler and Fascism for obvious reasons, so he continually resorts to calling others communist.

When I read the quality of Paul1405's rationality it makes me very happy to know that Paul1405 labels me "a wacko nut job" and a "fool". I wonder what Paul1405 has to say about the principles of Marx and other communists like Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Saul Alinsky, Herbert Marcuse, many others. There is a reason why we are still reading Plato and Aristotle two thousand years later- I hope we will not still be talking about socialism and communism in two thousand years from now and my civilization manages to survive long enough to see it- rather than being wiped out by genocidal competitors. I think my culture has created more than enough structural value as an example to humanity to deserve it's continued existence.

Sadly there are those that try to adopt certain principles end up creating totalitarian hell's without really intending do so. On the other hand there are those that just want to see the world burn. And those that gain power in the name of freedom.

1. A desire to create stability and safety can result in slavery
2. A desire to solve the problem of entrenched powerlessness and inequality can result in scarcity, inequality, and more powerlessness.
3. A desire to curb the power of business results merely transfers this power to a political class- probably one that doesn't accept limits to their own power- and doesn't know how to translate resources into produced goods- and the political class is drawn from a narrower section of the community (probably academia) than the business class.
4. Those that believe they know better than others might believe that those that disagree with them are evil and need to be enslaved rather than allowing others to live in a world of their own making

My view of Paul1405 is to let him create a nested sandbox world of his own making and bring all his friends and he will prove the functionality of his sandbox world or destroy himself and his friends in the process- and leave others to create their own sandbox worlds- but Paul1405 doesn't seem to want to let us have this power over our own destiny. In my view this is Totalitarianism and will result in bloodshed.

Cause and effect/ desire and result.

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Dear Paul1405,

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You wrote :

« Dutton is not sincere in his proposal of "recognition" of Aboriginal people, it is a patronising sop without merit. He thinks by burying a few meaningless words of endearment in the Constitution, that the status quo will be maintained. For Dutton, it’s about maintaining power and authority over Aboriginal people, which the Europeans have held since 1788. »
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Peter Dutton is reported as having declared that recognition of First Australians in the constitution was long-standing Coalition policy, but not a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, adding :

« I think it is right and respectful to recognise Indigenous Australians in the constitution and we will work with the Labor Party to find common ground. »
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It’s amply clear that that is just a lot of hot air. The Coalition was in power from 2013 to 2022 and did nothing to implement its promise to hold a referendum on Indigenous recognition. Its total inaction simply illustrates the old adage : “Election promises are only binding on those who believe them”.

In my view, Dutton’s political career has been compromised by his Trumpian tactics of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies. He is doomed to end up sitting alongside his old boss and mentor, Scott Morrison, on the backbench of the House of Representatives at Parliament House in Canberra.

That said, criticising Dutton is one thing, criticising the ideas he expresses is another. His declarations may be hollow, insincere and hypocritical, but that does not mean the ideas he expresses are worthless. The idea of recognising Indigenous Australians in the constitution is neither original nor worthless.

It germinated in 1958, with the creation in Adelaide of the Federal Council for Aboriginal Advancement, the first united national Aboriginal advocacy group, which began a campaign to change the Constitution. Their efforts culminated in the success of the 1967 Australian referendum (Aboriginals), which changed the Constitution to include Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in population counts.

The upcoming referendum is the second stage leading to full Constitutional recognition – plan A or B ?

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