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Remove the Lord's Prayer from Council meetings and Parliament?

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Dear David,

More importantly than the question of a possum having a soul, you might consider whether or not it is right to be legally compelled to acknowledge such things as a possum spirit.
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 9:14:17 PM
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TTBN...Thank you, my friend, for your kind words. Though completely undeserved, I can assure you. Now I'm in my eighties, I know what I've done, and now I have to bear the responsibility for those sins I committed back in the mid-1960s.

The mysteries of life and death are far too great for some poorly educated individual like me to figure out. Something I have learnt quite starkly, I might add, is that taking human life is incontrovertible and, once taken, can never be restored.

I've participated in many an ambush, and when you're young and full of 'gungho,' there's a certain morbid excitement about the kill—watching a small band of Cong or NVA silently picking their way through the bush as silently as possible just moments away from being shredded from the waist down, by hundreds of miniature ball bearings packed into a Claymore mine. With the curvature of the mine bearing "This side to Enemy" or similar words, I've tried to forget.

Or mounting an M60 GPMG on board a UH-1D...if any enemy is caught in the withering fire of one of those...watch out. The survival rate is almost negligible.

I was a regular, not a conscript. Someone coined the phrase 'war is hell'. Can I tell you all something with some measure of authority...When the war is over. And the Peace Accord(s) are all signed. It's never over for most of those who had to prosecute that war. Never, ever over, for any of them. The shooting continues throughout the night, and the battles rage on. Ever more booby-traps are set and sprung. It goes on and on and on.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 9:40:08 PM
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Dear o sung wu,

What led you to join and become a regular?
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 9:52:38 PM
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Hi there, DAVID F.

I was seventeen years of age and straight out of school, and I decided to join either the RAAF or the ARA. I wasn't sure how I'd go in the RAN, so it was a toss-up between the ARA and the RAAF. I chose the ARA as there was much more opportunity in the various Corps in the ARA than the RAAF, which was much more of a technical decision, in my opinion.

I enjoyed my six years in the ARMY, nevertheless - except in South Vietnam and on the Malay/Thai Border, Operating against the Communist Terrorists who were entrenched there.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 10:18:11 PM
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Dear Josephus,

The constitution is supposed to apply to all citizens of this land. All citizens of this land do not believe in God, but the constitution refers to God. Wouldn't it better to have the basic law of the land a document that all citizens could in good conscience follow? I do not believe that the basic laws of Australia are ordained by God. I do not believe in God. Yet, I want to be a good citizen of Australia. A good citizen follows the law of the land. All religious people do not believe in God. Most Buddhists do not believe in God. As long as the Constitution refers to God it is not a document relevant to all citizens of Australia, and it should be a document relevant to all citizens of Australia. You are correct. The Constitution is a religious document, and I don't think it should be a religious document. In Australia we are supposed to have freedom of religion. Freedom of religion is defined in S 116 of the Australian Constitution. Section 116 The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth. The mention of God in the Constitution is a violation of S 116. The Constitution should be a document every Australian can follow with a clear conscience.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 12:12:21 AM
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The last time you raised this topic NathanJ,
I was of the mind that prayers should be removed simply because not all people follow the Christian religion.

And now I'm not so sure tbh, but it's not because I'm any more religious.

It occurs to me that Christianity isn't just slowly being removed;
- It's actually being replaced, with the pro-gay inclusivity agenda instead.

Is it really just about equality and inclusivity?
Or is it an attack on the family, or something more?
It seems that Christianity stands in the way of their plans, otherwise they wouldn't attack it in the way they do, in spite of claims of freedom of religion.

Forced to choose the lesser evil,
I'd generally state that I 'choose' neither and 'none of the above...
- But since that wont fly and I really do have to choose the lesser evil...

Do I choose Bible Thumpers;
- Or Drag Queen Story Time for kids,
as well as 10yo boys taking testosterone blockers and getting their bits lopped off.
- and Transgender toilets?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 1:30:48 AM
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